Random Thought Thread

bluemax_1 said:
I don’t know what he actually said vs what the translation read, but he explicitly mentions/emphasizes the loose grip, when he’s showing the “make this cut, then make this cut” movements.

The ONLY times I’ve seen people doing that, were ‘knife ballet’ experts who not only had zero experience actually fighting with knives, they had zero experience with even test cutting anything besides air.

I think I’ve mentioned before, but I’m one of the small number of weirdos who’s actually trained with weapons, from various sword styles, to knife fighting, and we sparred at full speed with the rubber trainer knives, made of closed cell foam, with felt edges. They were sturdy enough, that they could and did still leave marks and bruises with solid contact, but flexed enough to avoid serious injury. The felt edges were marked with red lipstick, so you could easily see where someone was scored on.

Real knife fighting isn’t fencing, or knife ballet. It’s pretty much MMA with a sharp, stabby cutting tool. It’s brutal, and fast, and knowing what we know about how long it takes a person to bleed out from even serious wounds, we saw firsthand, the meme that goes, “The loser of a knife fight bleeds out on the street. The winner bleeds out in the ambulance”.

Two fit, fast and aggressive fighters can score critical hits multiple times on each other within seconds. Depending on sparring partners, we might wear open finger gloves, pads and helmets and go heavy contact, where almost anything goes, including throws, knees, elbows because knife fighting isn’t a sport, it’s a no-holds barred situation. Dog Brothers has one of the most well known of these types of schools.

If you slashed at someone with the loose grip he demonstrated, and the blade actually made contact, you’d lose the knife.
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This aligns well with what Jason and Shane were telling me when designing the utility fighter. I think a good way of looking at it would be: there's no such thing as "knife fighting". There is sword fighting. But if you don't have a sword, you're actually not really knife fighting so much as you are just fighting, with a knife. There are knees and elbows and on the ground grappling. It was described to me as being more like wrestling or grappling, and you have a knife. Nobody is blocking their opponent's knife with their own knife like one would while fencing. That is Hollywood nonsense. And this is why I want to collaborate with people with military experience rather than "knife fighters". Because, if I make a knife for a grunt and he is not that highly skilled knife fighter, he is going to fall back on his military training and that knife is going to be used in a different way than this fancy knife ballet they portray in Hollywood and on YouTube
 
SharpBits said:
For those playing at home, here is an video of an old film for the OSS, dubbed in a foreign language. The knife and the gentleman are of interest here.
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I think it's a good video, I think it's good training material. The gist of it is, the average recruit has no idea what to do with a knife and this at least gives him the concept of move around and be aggressive don't just stand there and flail. A plan, even not a perfect plan, is better than no plan. This was WAY better than nothing.

The knife can be improved upon it, has some issues. That's my only role here.
 
Nathan the Machinist said:
I think it's a good video, I think it's good training material. The gist of it is, the average recruit has no idea what to do with a knife and this at least gives him the concept of move around and be aggressive don't just stand there and flail. A plan, even not a perfect plan, is better than no plan. This was WAY better than nothing.
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This is a HUGE factor.

The natural tendency for someone with no training IS to stand there and flail, because
a) they don’t want to get cut/stabbed
b) they don’t know what to do, so they’re trying to intimidate the other person to keep their distance.

What we saw in sparring, was that fit, fast total newbs with no training or experience, could score ‘kills’ and critical hits on someone with far more training and experience, simply by overwhelming the other person with sheer aggression (even odds on both bleeding out).

Biggest net takeaway, I like knives. I carry knives. I don’t EVER want to get in a knife fight. I train in case I don’t have a choice.

I know some folks who regularly carry a firearm, but don’t do any physical training for hand-to-hand. I ask them, “What happens if you get attacked without enough prior warning to draw your firearm?”.

I think the biggest reality check was the video of the officer responding to a report of someone loitering. He made the mistake of approaching the guy with his hands shoved into his vest. The nutjob had a knife concealed in one hand, and once he got close, stabbed the officer in the neck repeatedly.

With the competition background in Muay Thai and Sanda, one of the techniques I found very effective (especially against opponents who’d never seen it before), was a Teep kick or sidekick when they charged. I later practiced drawing a firearm WHILE throwing a Teep.

In sparring, most opponents who’d never seen a Teep, either got knocked off their feet, or knocked off balance enough to create an opening. Once they’d experienced the technique, they were much more cautious about charging in, and would also try to stab/slash the leg. I reasoned that in a CCW situation, using the Teep to stun/stop someone with a knife to provide time and space to draw and fire, was worth it even if the leg got stabbed. Higher chance of being able to staunch the bleeding after stopping the attacker, than from getting stabbed in the neck/torso (and the recent nutjob stabbing random people in a Walmart in a relatively affluent area in MI, indicates that it can happen anywhere).
 
Nathan the Machinist said:
This aligns well with what Jason and Shane were telling me when designing the utility fighter. I think a good way of looking at it would be: there's no such thing as "knife fighting". There is sword fighting. But if you don't have a sword, you're actually not really knife fighting so much as you are just fighting, with a knife. There are knees and elbows and on the ground grappling. It was described to me as being more like wrestling or grappling, and you have a knife. Nobody is blocking their opponent's knife with their own knife like one would while fencing. That is Hollywood nonsense. And this is why I want to collaborate with people with military experience rather than "knife fighters". Because, if I make a knife for a grunt and he is not that highly skilled knife fighter, he is going to fall back on his military training and that knife is going to be used in a different way than this fancy knife ballet they portray in Hollywood and on YouTube
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Knofe ballet is the only ballet that i will fully tolerate
 
bluemax_1 said:
This is a HUGE factor.

The natural tendency for someone with no training IS to stand there and flail, because
a) they don’t want to get cut/stabbed
b) they don’t know what to do, so they’re trying to intimidate the other person to keep their distance.

What we saw in sparring, was that fit, fast total newbs with no training or experience, could score ‘kills’ and critical hits on someone with far more training and experience, simply by overwhelming the other person with sheer aggression (even odds on both bleeding out).

Biggest net takeaway, I like knives. I carry knives. I don’t EVER want to get in a knife fight. I train in case I don’t have a choice.

I know some folks who regularly carry a firearm, but don’t do any physical training for hand-to-hand. I ask them, “What happens if you get attacked without enough prior warning to draw your firearm?”.

I think the biggest reality check was the video of the officer responding to a report of someone loitering. He made the mistake of approaching the guy with his hands shoved into his vest. The nutjob had a knife concealed in one hand, and once he got close, stabbed the officer in the neck repeatedly.

With the competition background in Muay Thai and Sanda, one of the techniques I found very effective (especially against opponents who’d never seen it before), was a Teep kick or sidekick when they charged. I later practiced drawing a firearm WHILE throwing a Teep.

In sparring, most opponents who’d never seen a Teep, either got knocked off their feet, or knocked off balance enough to create an opening. Once they’d experienced the technique, they were much more cautious about charging in, and would also try to stab/slash the leg. I reasoned that in a CCW situation, using the Teep to stun/stop someone with a knife to provide time and space to draw and fire, was worth it even if the leg got stabbed. Higher chance of being able to staunch the bleeding after stopping the attacker, than from getting stabbed in the neck/torso (and the recent nutjob stabbing random people in a Walmart in a relatively affluent area in MI, indicates that it can happen anywhere).
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We should hang out.
 
Kinda one of the reasons I like karambits and push daggers. I have no significant training in fighting with a knife, but I have done various martial arts long enough to have a vague appreciation of what I don't know, and a rudimentary plan if I need to do something before I would be able to draw a pistol. things you can use to punch or grapple with added effect seem like they could be useful.

Having said that I'm still reaching for the shiv if I have it on me. After the pistol. Unless I have a long gun handy. Also, cross the street and head toward a different neighborhood. I'm too damn old to fight and too slow to run. I need to just win before things get started. How is it that I have been living my life that I got into the mess in the first place? Need to reexamine that, carefully. Later. After I win and finish with the earthworks. 😁
 
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