Random Thought Thread

Nathan the Machinist said:
"Newly released Department of Justice documents from 2026 have renewed scrutiny on the death of Jeffrey Epstein, specifically regarding the actions of prison guard Tova Noel on the night of August 10, 2019. Noel, who was tasked with monitoring Epstein at the Metropolitan Correctional Center (MCC) in New York, reportedly googled "latest on Epstein in jail" twice, at 5:42 a.m. and 5:52 a.m., roughly 40 minutes before Epstein was discovered unresponsive"


"Documents show a $5,000 cash deposit was made into Noel's bank account on July 30, 2019, eleven days before the suicide. This was part of a series of deposits noted by JPMorgan Chase in a suspicious activity report."

"Reports indicated Epstein was found with extra clothing and linens in his cell."

"Questions remain over missing, unretrievable security camera footage from the hallway outside his cell."


It is entirely plausible that Epstein did not, in fact, kill himself. Which raises the question, who has the ability to kill a person in a locked cell under high security.

The average person understands that Epstein was a bad person doing some bad things

At first I figured it was just rich people banging young prostitutes and some of them may have been a little underage

I looked into it and discovered that the media hype around it was not just sensationalism. They were mostly underage and some of them were wildly underage and they were using kids to recruit other kids from the mall and from schools and stuff. It was not just a fringe incident it was their standard mode of operation.

His chief accomplice, Ghislaine Maxwell, is the daughter of Robert Maxwell, who many people believe was spying for mossad. He appears to have been involved in a theft of us secrets and may have contributed to leaking US nuclear secrets to Israel and could be part of the reason why Israel has nukes today. He died under mysterious circumstances.

There certainly appears to be some secret spy shit going on. And it's possible these people's proclivities for underaged girls and access to the elite rich and powerful people could potentially have something to do with creating incriminating evidence against powerful people in order to help control those people.

It is worth noting that our current president appears to have been a close friend of Epstein for a long time. And has lied about it repeatedly including trips on Epstein's airplane and trips to the island. He is on record making many false claims about this. He is also on record as saying they had a falling out and were no longer friends. Personally, I believe that. Although sometimes it is difficult to know what is true and what is not because there is not a strong correlation between what our President says and what is true.

Regardless. There appears to be quite a few layers to this Epstein thing. And, whether he killed himself or someone killed him, his death certainly seems to protect some very powerful people. Lucky them.

Oh look! Aliens!
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tinfoil hat timmy said:
Very clever distraction that also doubles as a means to plant the seed for when they need to play the ''aliens are real and there here for real now you guys they're our saviours'' card.

Wag the dog fellas. Goes both ways you know.

Also. Will whichever one of you guys is with my wife right now ask her what she wants for mothers day this year and let me know?
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She wants to be taken to “high tea” at a place that serves crustless quartered sandwiches and scones on tiered towers
 
The first ever time when I had visited the U.S. was back in the Summer of 1985. I landed in Los Angeles and was picked up by a very close friend who we used to go to "school" in London for our A-Levels (think of it as junior college, a bit more difficult than you high school in the States which at my time were called the O-Levels back in the U.K. A-Levels were necessary because most U.K. college bachelor degrees took 3 years vs 4 years of college in here and in most other places 🤷🏻‍♂️). This friend had decided to move to the Sates to try to stay, he was working as limo driver for his uncle while having to take some more courses at the Santa Monica college because he had a couple of years lapse. I had already graduated university by then.

America (well, LA to me!) so cool and so fresh back then despite feeling a bit strange with all the wide open spaces, clear sunny skies and cars, cars and more cars everywhere but no public transport worth of shyte anywhere! Looked sparsely populated as my measuring guide was the lack of the hustle and bustle which I was familiar with on the streets of London and pretty much anywhere else in Europe! (I'm sure that had I landed in NYC for instance, my impression would have been completely different 😉 ). After a couple of days of staying at this motel in Venice Beach (kinda rough area back then) and walking on my two legs without an automobile and getting laughed at every time when I had asked where to catch busses, I finally wiped out my AMEX card (was very very cool for a 22 YO to have a credit card back then!) and off I went o AVIS, IIRC and then rented myself a 6 cylinder Mustang Convertible (didn't have the 5.0 V8 in their stock back then). Now that I think about it, how funny it was that they rented a car to me with my goofy GB driver's license which had no photos on it (most of GB's official papers were weird back then) as I had left my passport back in the motel! Just a CC and no permanent address, just out of a motel which I checked out from the following day and off on the road I went to explore!

What I am trying to convey is that the place felt free, unburdened and innocent. I went to the movies to with friends to watch Back to the Future with friends (contacted a couple more of my friends from London and then made even more friends through them), loved the movie so much that went back again a few days later just couldn't wait to brag about this cool as shyte movie to my other friends across the pond (movies were not simultaneously released back then and there was always like a 3+ months lag over in Europe). Dined out at TGIF, Johny Rockets, In-N-Out, went to visit Disneyland, days were filled with workouts and then the beach and back to more workouts before going to the mall, nights to the clubs with the boys. I know, typical mindless shyte but felt so good and so emancipating.

The snippet presented in here is to remind myself and those natives who were around back then that America was truly a shining beacon. I think that Reagan had nailed it by coining the phrase, "shiny city on the hill". Yeah, I was not as old as I am now, definitely not as jaded, politics did not matter to me, fugly wonks were the politicians just getting on with their jobs, never knew anything about the ugly sides of any nation or the society when the veneer comes off, depending on how deep but I know what I had noticed back then was not just a feeling. It was true and it was unique, it was a magical and a very special place. I absolutely loved it then and I feel badly for those who did not experience this place back in the 80's or largely did not experience the 80's!
 
Blues said:
Ah, the 80's. My "Miami Vice" years.
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You know, I was trying to convey a message in my rather clumsy way. The essence of it all being that there came a time when our collective innocence as a society just seemed to have been torn apart, completely shattered and ruptured! What brought about my long post was after I read Nathan's Epstein post. I am sure that considering the dark side and the dark depth of what humanity was always capable of, in addition to all the excellence of it all on the positive and cheery side, there was always the Epstein types; I am not a Pollyanna type of person to think otherwise as Mankind can be very brutish and very hellish.

I guess that what I wanted to tell others who did not live that life which I lived, back when I was a young man, we did not constantly look for "that moment" but man, when it came to us naturally, we felt it and that just felt great. It was a great time at a less complicated era, is all.
 
Blues said:
I hear ya Mat. But being born in the 50's, I experienced all of the 60', 70's and 80's...and I'd be hard pressed to pick a favorite...for any number of reasons...all of which you can imagine.
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Oh I def experienced the 70s although as an awkward kinda teen and then the 60s are just hazy and vaporous memories to me as a child. My original post pertained to the magic of the USA for a first timer, leading things globally in all every possible way. I am sure that the 70s were also quite an awesome decade but then there was that whole energy and oil crises, ceiling high inflation and the pain for that era.

I really try my best to skirt around political issues which are very divisive in a non-political subform and although I don't think that I hide my own persuasion, I think I know when the beginning of that seismic shift happened!

Of course I now have the benefit of hindsight, age and experience to look beck and realize that for all the amazing things which the U.S. had achieved in its strife for a more perfect union, it was the creation of the middle class which I think was the U.S's most important achievement. Some argue that this happened by accident and some argue that it was created by design, I don't know although I lean much more toward the latter. But one thing is for certain, I think that I can point exactly at the beginning of the end, exactly when it was decided to make it weak so that it erodes, it crumbles, gets wasted as ash and dust.
 
Casinostocks said:
You know, I was trying to convey a message in my rather clumsy way. The essence of it all being that there came a time when our collective innocence as a society just seemed to have been torn apart, completely shattered and ruptured! What brought about my long post was after I read Nathan's Epstein post. I am sure that considering the dark side and the dark depth of what humanity was always capable of, in addition to all the excellence of it all on the positive and cheery side, there was always the Epstein types; I am not a Pollyanna type of person to think otherwise as Mankind can be very brutish and very hellish.

I guess that what I wanted to tell others who did not live that life which I lived, back when I was a young man, we did not constantly look for "that moment" but man, when it came to us naturally, we felt it and that just felt great. It was a great time at a less complicated era, is all.
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Humanity will always have its monsters, that will never change. It's how we deal with them that matters; well... to some of us anyway.

I believe a huge contributing factor to that sense of loss that you are conveying is not so much a glut of bad actors taking center stage (though certainly an eternal factor), but more how dependent we have become on information streams, and the short-form content that gets pushed on viewers every day. Most folks see only the headlines, read the first captions, listen to the opening lines, etc. They get inundated with a massive amount of data, that is largely useless without context, or meaningful depth. Attention spans worsen every day and our frantic consumption is fed by algorithms that are designed to sensationalize our interests, which imposes a rather gloomy outlook for many in these times.

Gone are the days where one didn't have the entire world attached to their hip. Instead of going to the beach, or to the movies, or just going for a walk in the park, folks are glued to a screen of some sort where the powers that be are determined to stoke their emotions, making them easier to manipulate, and therefore easier to monetize their outrage.

It's getting rarer to see people out and about that aren't contained within their own little bubble, headphones on, eyes fixated on their phone, completely oblivious to the world around them. We created that, and unfortunately, I don't see how we undo it. Imagine though the mental health benefits overall if large swaths of the population ditched their devices; it's a nice thought. How freeing would that be? I am old enough to remember a time before cell phones, and it's certainly a wistful memory.
 
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