Random Thought Thread

fmrranger said:
Thanks. Yeah, I may need to just contact them to see if I can still get one.
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Nathan the Machinist said:
Curse you Justin. Knifemakers aren't supposed to talk shit about other knifemakers. Although I guess technically he's not a knife maker? IDK. I'm sure I would get along with him great in person. And his arms look great don't they? but he does not seem to me to know a great deal about what he's talking about.
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Have to agree with Nathan. I’m sure that they are sincere in their efforts, and doing things to the best of their knowledge and abilities, and I certainly don’t want talk down about their product, but, in my opinion, CPK’s are next level, in every respect, compared to just about anything else on the market.

Don’t know the cost of those knives, but if they fill a niche, given their price, design, and materials, then more power to them. I am a bit concerned about the spreading of information that may not be accurate. But then again, that is all over the place in the knife world. Mike
 
Nathan the Machinist said:
Curse you Justin. Knifemakers aren't supposed to talk shit about other knifemakers. Although I guess technically he's not a knife maker? IDK. I'm sure I would get along with him great in person. And his arms look great don't they? but he does not seem to me to know a great deal about what he's talking about.
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As a point of reference the knives release today at 5pm, limited to 3000 pieces, limit 1 of each colourway per person, total limit of 3 per person. And they are $395.

He’s definitely not a knifemaker. He’s a vet who built a really big cult following, he primarily does training and makes tactical products with his market in mind to sell to.

He’s a good guy, living his dream. I think for a lot of casual people who buy his brand, and follow his methods they will love this shit.

I have some of his gear, found it’s not worth the hype but I have tons of shit that isn’t.
I still respect him and catch up from time to time but I’m not on the cool-aid.
 
I respect his success in designing things and creating a company around that. Always feels a little weird seeing people leverage their military career for marketing, but when it comes down to it you do what it takes and I understand.
Dragonflies are cool. I like how he incorporated the web pattern from the wing in the handle.
Those sweaty guys wrestling on the floor, I could have done without seeing that. The final scene was the best, really summed everything up perfectly.
 
Lorien said:
I respect his success in designing things and creating a company around that. Always feels a little weird seeing people leverage their military career for marketing, but when it comes down to it you do what it takes and I understand.
Dragonflies are cool. I like how he incorporated the web pattern from the wing in the handle.
Those sweaty guys wrestling on the floor, I could have done without seeing that. The final scene was the best, really summed everything up perfectly.
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Most folks who haven't spent time training specifically to use knives/edged weapons, are going to assume, "Ex-military. This guy knows what he's talking about, for a fighting knife", when the reality is that the last scene is the more common usage.

The folks here on the CPK forum are a diverse bunch, but one thing that's drawn most of us here, is the Performance aspect of CPKs. That and Nathan's willingness to share his knowledge of the why's and how's tend to make us a more discerning bunch (I think :p).
 
JustinFournier said:
Thoughts?

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Thanks for sharing. I have a couple thoughts:

Bottom line up front: I love the video, but I don’t like the knife.

-I feel the video is well done and I always enjoy seeing vets who are successful and well spoken. I looked at Haley’s website and it looks like he was a Force Recon Marine-I’ve got lots of respect for those guys. And I don’t think I heard that mentioned in the video which I respect even more.

-The knife: I don’t like a top edge on a knife that I will carry into the field-but this is mostly just for safety and my personal preference. And if I were using it as a weapon, I can’t think of any real-world advantage in this top edge that would outweigh the safety aspects of every day use (opening MREs ;) ). Even the scenario presented in the video with “working the back of the neck” seems far fetched as a requirement for this knife. I can think of several other options that would be just as effective and easy to teach your team. I did like the grappling scene; I’ve done similar training and its always an eye opener when somebody draws a concealed knife at such close range.

-But I LOVE that it comes with a trainer. If you are selling a knife that is primarily marketed to be used against other humans, then people need to train with it. However, they should have matching scales for that trainer because why go to all the trouble to make a realistic training knife that isn’t realistic??

-The curvature at the end of the handle reminds of the Sayoc RAT knife some guys carry.

As a whole, I would hands down grab the DEK for over this knife for any of the purposes listed in this video. By a mile. Or several miles. I feel like this knife is cool, though, and hits some highlights of potential use that people might like, but without actually delving deep into the finer points of each of those tasks and what would make a good user. I don't need my knife to be a multitool-we've got those-I just need my knife to be damn good at being a knife. In this regard, I think the DEK comes from a place of deep understanding, research, great execution and will get my vote all day long.
 
Lorien said:
I respect his success in designing things and creating a company around that. Always feels a little weird seeing people leverage their military career for marketing, but when it comes down to it you do what it takes and I understand.
Dragonflies are cool. I like how he incorporated the web pattern from the wing in the handle.
Those sweaty guys wrestling on the floor, I could have done without seeing that. The final scene was the best, really summed everything up perfectly.
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Yeah, I agree. Your post made me think of Goruck-and I think there was even some talk about Goruck earlier in this thread too.
 
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Big DJ said:
He did a training for us at our gun club a while back and I thought he was pretty impressive.
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No criticism for his training courses. He's got the bonafide background and knowledge for it, and he's one of the good guys, but genuine expertise in one area doesn't automatically translate to expertise in other areas (eg. Metallurgy ;)).

When it comes to a fighting knife, there are also differing philosophies/mentalities/approaches that are going to be in play. Some folks are simply looking for something stabby (and that design certainly fits the bill).
 
bluemax_1 said:
No criticism for his training courses. He's got the bonafide background and knowledge for it, and he's one of the good guys, but genuine expertise in one area doesn't automatically translate to expertise in other areas (eg. Metallurgy ;)).

When it comes to a fighting knife, there are also differing philosophies/mentalities/approaches that are going to be in play. Some folks are simply looking for something stabby (and that design certainly fits the bill).
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I agree, the training I'm referring to was a multi gun multi day training. I enjoyed it.
 
Big DJ said:
He did a training for us at our gun club a while back and I thought he was pretty impressive.
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I bet that was awesome. Seems like he would be a very high quality instructor. I'd train with him if I had the chance-I'm always looking for new ways to do things. And I encourage everyone to try new techniques and to keep, refine and perfect the ones that work well for your circumstances. Also, I came down unusually hard (for me at least) on the knife. I didn't at all mean to invalidate or question his credentials or expertise in the tactical realm.
 
Nystagmus said:
I bet that was awesome. Seems like he would be a very high quality instructor. I'd train with him if I had the chance-I'm always looking for new ways to do things. And I encourage everyone to try new techniques and to keep, refine and perfect the ones that work well for your circumstances. Also, I came down unusually hard (for me at least) on the knife. I didn't at all mean to invalidate or question his credentials or expertise in the tactical realm.
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We used to host advanced firearms trainings or clinics at least once a year.
 
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