Rats command primo prices on ebay

i wanna clarify that people who buy more than 1 for whatever PERSONAL reason is ok IMO. BUT there honestly ARE people who buy with the SOLE purpose of resale for profit. that's disgusting. busse extravaganza knives were resold once they were received from the factory with a nice price hike. i call BS. the whole purpose of the extravaganzas are to have a fun sale. like jerry says, he can easily sell the knives at shows for MUCH more. but he doesn't do that for OUR sake. then these people come out from under their rocks and buy up all the extravaganza blades SOLELY to resell them for a profit. i find that disgusting. sorry if that offends anybody but that's how i feel...:foot:

and it's not like i'm bitter or anything like that cuz i got the blades i wanted. i just feel bad for those who missed out because somebody wanted to make a quick buck at someone elses expense.:thumbdn:
 
madfast said:
i wanna clarify that people who buy more than 1 for whatever PERSONAL reason is ok IMO. BUT there honestly ARE people who buy with the SOLE purpose of resale for profit. that's disgusting. busse extravaganza knives were resold once they were received from the factory with a nice price hike. i call BS. the whole purpose of the extravaganzas are to have a fun sale. like jerry says, he can easily sell the knives at shows for MUCH more. but he doesn't do that for OUR sake. then these people come out from under their rocks and buy up all the extravaganza blades SOLELY to resell them for a profit. i find that disgusting. sorry if that offends anybody but that's how i feel...:foot:

and it's not like i'm bitter or anything like that cuz i got the blades i wanted. i just feel bad for those who missed out because somebody wanted to make a quick buck at someone elses expense.:thumbdn:
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i agree....
 
Hi Madfast,

I doubt that anyone is offended about you voicing your opinion, but who knows. If they are they are more than welcome to say their peace as well. ;)

However, if I understand you correctly, you are not asking for any changes to be made by Busse or Swamp Rat (I doubt that interrogations or justification prior to purchase would be very welcome ;)). It sounds like you are after a behavior change by the individual buyers, right? Unfortunately, changing people is a huge undertaking.

The fact is that not everyone views these knives as tools and users. Many of the customers view these blades as investments, and wisely so. This is something that will just always happen when a very sought after product is sold in limited numbers and half their value. Some keep their knives for years before reselling them, others may only keep them a few days.

I stated the info that Eric would give us after Company Store releases. I see no reason for him to misinform us. So it does seem to me that this behavior that upsets you is at least in the minority. That is good news. :thumbup:

Again, I understand your frustration, but this will likely be how things are. I know that doesn't really help any, but I don't really see a way to help. :confused:
 
madfast said:
i wanna clarify that people who buy more than 1 for whatever PERSONAL reason is ok IMO. BUT there honestly ARE people who buy with the SOLE purpose of resale for profit. that's disgusting. busse extravaganza knives were resold once they were received from the factory with a nice price hike. i call BS. the whole purpose of the extravaganzas are to have a fun sale. like jerry says, he can easily sell the knives at shows for MUCH more. but he doesn't do that for OUR sake. then these people come out from under their rocks and buy up all the extravaganza blades SOLELY to resell them for a profit. i find that disgusting. sorry if that offends anybody but that's how i feel...:foot:

and it's not like i'm bitter or anything like that cuz i got the blades i wanted. i just feel bad for those who missed out because somebody wanted to make a quick buck at someone elses expense.:thumbdn:
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Excellent post Madfast!

The only solution I see is if Busse and Swamp Rat allow only one (limited edition) knife per customer. This would give everyone fair chance to get on the offer.
 
greens said:
The only solution I see is if Busse and Swamp Rat allow only one (limited edition) knife per customer. This would give everyone fair chance to get on the offer.
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But everyone DOES have a fair chance to get in on these offers. If you order early, you get what you want. If you're late, you don't. Implying that everybody doesn't get a fair chance is implying that someone is given an unfair advantage and that is not the case.

I also tend to disagree that this is a viable solution because there would still be people who want something but were unable to get it. And there would still be people who sell them off afterwards. AND there would still be plenty of people who are willing to pay the inflated prices. In other words, it doesn't fix the problem that you've set out to fix.

Take the Camp Tramps and Battle Rats for example. Those were available for any and all to order for almost three years. Now people are willing to pay nearly $300 for them. I understand the thinking that views it as "unfair" that people "have to" pay such a high price to get these knives, but the system was fair.

Also, if somebody lists a blade at an unreasonable price and nobody buys it, the result is that they lower the price -- advantage buyer. If somebody buys it, then they chose to do so and shouldn't be pitied for it.

Soon, I hope, things will mellow out. People will be able to buy Rats again through the main website. There won't be as much urgency to spend such a large amount of money for a knife when they can buy a similar item for much less.

Hopefully. Soon. ;)
 
i'm just venting cuz i see all these ridiculous prices and feel it is immoral to basically exploit the knife knuts who would pay top dollar for some of these NON-rare, sometimes USED, production pieces. wtf? are people THAT greedy? jeez i'd have thought that the knife community is just a LITTLE bit better than that. maybe i'm more disappointed is all...

i don't propose a change in the system as it is basically fair. eric tells us when they go up, and now they come up in staggered times. and i don't think any of my complaining will change PEOPLE, but it makes me feel better to publicly "out" them as greedy bastids who care NOT of the blades or the community of knife knuts, but of themselves and thy wallet!:thumbdn:

i really hope the new line comes out soon...the prices for USED knives exceed new ones...go figure...:jerkit:
 
I think everything works fine the way it is.

First come, first serve.

It is, after all a business- not a breadline in communist Russia. "Sorry, Tovarisch- you have had your ration of Knife" :yawn:
 
360joules said:
But everyone DOES have a fair chance to get in on these offers. If you order early, you get what you want. If you're late, you don't. Implying that everybody doesn't get a fair chance is implying that someone is given an unfair advantage and that is not the case.

I also tend to disagree that this is a viable solution because there would still be people who want something but were unable to get it. And there would still be people who sell them off afterwards. AND there would still be plenty of people who are willing to pay the inflated prices. In other words, it doesn't fix the problem that you've set out to fix.

Take the Camp Tramps and Battle Rats for example. Those were available for any and all to order for almost three years. Now people are willing to pay nearly $300 for them. I understand the thinking that views it as "unfair" that people "have to" pay such a high price to get these knives, but the system was fair.

Also, if somebody lists a blade at an unreasonable price and nobody buys it, the result is that they lower the price -- advantage buyer. If somebody buys it, then they chose to do so and shouldn't be pitied for it.

Soon, I hope, things will mellow out. People will be able to buy Rats again through the main website. There won't be as much urgency to spend such a large amount of money for a knife when they can buy a similar item for much less.

Hopefully. Soon. ;)
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i agree with every word. :thumbup:

i liken this to a boycott. if we'd all just stick together, then there would be no place for price gouging. BUT you'll always have those few people who will still buy and then others see that people are making a fortune selling, thus perpetuating the high prices. it's that first guy who sold his used beater HR for $300 that ruined it all...:eek:
 
madfast said:
i'm just venting cuz i see all these ridiculous prices and feel it is immoral to basically exploit the knife knuts who would pay top dollar for some of these NON-rare, sometimes USED, production pieces. wtf? are people THAT greedy? jeez i'd have thought that the knife community is just a LITTLE bit better than that. maybe i'm more disappointed is all...

i don't propose a change in the system as it is basically fair. eric tells us when they go up, and now they come up in staggered times. and i don't think any of my complaining will change PEOPLE, but it makes me feel better to publicly "out" them as greedy bastids who care NOT of the blades or the community of knife knuts, but of themselves and thy wallet!:thumbdn:

i really hope the new line comes out soon...the prices for USED knives exceed new ones...go figure...:jerkit:
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I'm totally with ya there. :thumbup:

I really do hope that secondary market prices come down soon -- I have nothing to sell and have knives to buy! :D
 
Rat Finkenstein said:
I think everything works fine the way it is.

First come, first serve.

It is, after all a business- not a breadline in communist Russia. "Sorry, Tovarisch- you have had your ration of Knife" :yawn:
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Ultimately, that is what it boils down to. ;)

But I can't help but be impressed at steps the Wauseon folk have taken to ensure that new customers have as much opportunity as possible to get a quality knife in their hands. :thumbup:
 
madfast said:
it's that first guy who sold his used beater HR for $300 that ruined it all...:eek:
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Huh?? :confused: :confused:




I must've missed that one.




A Howling Rat??! :eek:
 
360joules said:
But everyone DOES have a fair chance to get in on these offers. If you order early, you get what you want. If you're late, you don't. Implying that everybody doesn't get a fair chance is implying that someone is given an unfair advantage and that is not the case.

I also tend to disagree that this is a viable solution because there would still be people who want something but were unable to get it. And there would still be people who sell them off afterwards. AND there would still be plenty of people who are willing to pay the inflated prices. In other words, it doesn't fix the problem that you've set out to fix.

Take the Camp Tramps and Battle Rats for example. Those were available for any and all to order for almost three years. Now people are willing to pay nearly $300 for them. I understand the thinking that views it as "unfair" that people "have to" pay such a high price to get these knives, but the system was fair.

Also, if somebody lists a blade at an unreasonable price and nobody buys it, the result is that they lower the price -- advantage buyer. If somebody buys it, then they chose to do so and shouldn't be pitied for it.

Soon, I hope, things will mellow out. People will be able to buy Rats again through the main website. There won't be as much urgency to spend such a large amount of money for a knife when they can buy a similar item for much less.

Hopefully. Soon. ;)
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People who are online 24-7 surely DO have a fair chance but not everyone. I've got other priorities to take care of besides starring into a screen all day long. This has nothing to do with being early or late, many people were early but they still didn't get the knife because someone beat them by few seconds and ordered three knives therefore the next three people after him didn't get one. I'm referring here to the very limited knives which were only available on a particular day and not standard line. If those knives were sold one per customer then many folks who did want the knife would get it and not have to pay ridiculous prices for other's spare ones.
 
I understand your suggestion for limiting to one knife per person, and I still respectfully disagree for reasons that I stated above.

However, I wanted to address your statement of fairness.

greens said:
People who are online 24-7 surely DO have a fair chance but not everyone. I've got other priorities to take care of besides starring into a screen all day long.
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The days and times of these events are announced several days in advance for this exact reason. How does this not give people a fair chance?
 
greens said:
People who are online 24-7 surely DO have a fair chance but not everyone. I've got other priorities to take care of besides starring into a screen all day long. This has nothing to do with being early or late, many people were early but they still didn't get the knife because someone beat them by few seconds and ordered three knives therefore the next three people after him didn't get one. I'm referring here to the very limited knives which were only available on a particular day and not standard line. If those knives were sold one per customer then many folks who did want the knife would get it and not have to pay ridiculous prices for other's spare ones.
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It isn't like they don't tell people ahead of time when the knives will be available.
There is always plenty of notice. You don't have to be online 24/7.

The one per customer idea is nonsense.
There will always be someone who misses out. There will always be people selling their knives. If they want to mark them up, and the market will sustain such an increase, then so be it.

What knife are you sore about missing out on? Or are you just being benevolent?

man I type slow:o
 
360joules said:
The days and times of these events are announced several days in advance for this exact reason. How does this not give people a fair chance?
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It doesn't because the quantity is unlimited to the individual buyer. If someone is a few seconds faster with their mouse than you are and buys 5 knives which happen to be the last ones left, guess what? you missed out.

Arrest my case.
 
But everyone has the same chance, that makes it fair. I mean, it could just as well be you that is able to buy one (or two) as anybody else. :confused: :confused:

FWIW, during the last Busse extravaganzaa there was only one blade that Jerry stated there was no purchase limit. That indicates to me that they keep the knife orders in check. If someone is buying five of the same blade, that likely won't fly.
 
greens said:
It doesn't because the quantity is unlimited to the individual buyer. If someone is a few seconds faster with their mouse than you are and buys 5 knives which happen to be the last ones left, guess what? you missed out.

Arrest my case.
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1. So what. That's life.

2. How does one go about arresting a case?:confused:;)
is it a briefcase?
 
Well guys,

I appreciate the late night conversation, but I think that I'm gonna call it a night. We can agree to disagree on some things, but I enjoy learning from you guys. :cool:

Cheers. Catch y'all in another thread. :thumbup:
 
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