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RCCC Les Robertson
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Why bother answering realdeal's posts? I won't respond to him anymore.
Whatever else you might say, at least Les has actually been in the field and used knives. Real Dud's knife shows no use at all after 15 years, just pocket carry, yet he feels he has the experience to berate tactical knives made and used by actual knife wielders.
What an asshat.
What an asshat.
Missed the one last year, but have been to most of them since 95. Lobred certainly puts on an awesome show! I agree with you, they are 25 of the very best. Usually, am tryin for a Johnson, Kressler and of course, Loveless.
Have to respectfully disagree with you on 1 point though, I have collector friends that just fly in for Loveless, I would not call them fools. There is nothing wrong in investing time, money and effort for just 1 maker.
Kohai999, what were some of your favourite pieces there? Have always enjoyed interacting with the collectors there and hearing their opinions about different makers.
Have to respectfully disagree with you on 1 point though, I have collector friends that just fly in for Loveless, I would not call them fools. There is nothing wrong in investing time, money and effort for just 1 maker.
Kohai999, what were some of your favourite pieces there? Have always enjoyed interacting with the collectors there and hearing their opinions about different makers.
Les Robertson
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Talon,
Now that Mike Lovett has confirmed for many here what others have known for years. The fact that Jim makes his knives they could be now construed as some one put it as a "Brand". Kind of like Lile Knives, with no "dot" over the eye, Jimmy made them, with a dot they are Lile "brand". People still buy them, they just aren't as desireable and do not sell for as much money.
The craftsmanship, design, collectibility and desire for Loveless knives is unquestioned.
Loveless knives are basically a quick buck. Nothing wrong with buying and reselling immediately. Why am I only dealer who doen't buy Loveless knives? It is the way I choose to run my business. I decided a long time ago that there were too many nice guys to buy knives from. I guess I just never got it out of my mind the way he belittled people, talked down to them, treated his paying customers like they were shit. I found it simply amazing that after all that people would hand him hundreds of dollars for his knives. Just goes to show you that for the right amount of money you will let someone treat you like you were a moron who had no business buying knives.
I have always thought that customers should be treated better than that. Apparently you do not feel the same.
WWG,
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Arbitrage Custom Knives.
Now that Mike Lovett has confirmed for many here what others have known for years. The fact that Jim makes his knives they could be now construed as some one put it as a "Brand". Kind of like Lile Knives, with no "dot" over the eye, Jimmy made them, with a dot they are Lile "brand". People still buy them, they just aren't as desireable and do not sell for as much money.
The craftsmanship, design, collectibility and desire for Loveless knives is unquestioned.
Loveless knives are basically a quick buck. Nothing wrong with buying and reselling immediately. Why am I only dealer who doen't buy Loveless knives? It is the way I choose to run my business. I decided a long time ago that there were too many nice guys to buy knives from. I guess I just never got it out of my mind the way he belittled people, talked down to them, treated his paying customers like they were shit. I found it simply amazing that after all that people would hand him hundreds of dollars for his knives. Just goes to show you that for the right amount of money you will let someone treat you like you were a moron who had no business buying knives.
I have always thought that customers should be treated better than that. Apparently you do not feel the same.
WWG,
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Arbitrage Custom Knives.
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That is a great quote and someting I also live by.
Other than my family and a few other unrelated hobbies and my career, my passions are custom guns and knives. I made a choice a few years back to never do business with "jerks"--as life was too short and it would always sour the experience in the long run.
I am a long time pistol buff and have been a competitive shooter for almost 20years.
I ordered my first custom gun 19 years ago from a guy named Ed Brown, before he got famous. The gun was nice, but Mr. Brown was such a prick that I vowed never to buy another one of his pieces ever again. After 2 friends had similar experiences as mine that mostly centered around bad attitude rather than poor quality, they also made the same promise. Life is stoo short, regardles of the reward to deal with jerks!
Anthony, I Had to agree with you, but after his last post, I think I was too easy on him. WWG, I never confirmed any such thing. You are twisting my words to support your own argument. Anyone,especially serious Loveless collectors have know for many,many years that Jim Merritt is in the Loveless shop, and working with Bob. Jim is very well liked by everyone who knows him, and highly respected. Now as to why there aren't Loveless knives marked with Jim's name. There are a lot of them out there. They are marked Loveless- Merritt. These are sought after pieces. No one ever put down the Loveless Steve Johnson Partnership that I ever heard. In your own mind, you are the Number-1 dealer in the world. How can you not know these things. Then the inflammatory remarks about Bob's person. Bob is very quick witted, and full of dry humor. what many take as rudeness is nothing more than Bob being playful. If you have very thin skin, You may get offended, before you know where he is going. Arrogant" Yes he is arrogant, and has earned the right. Right or wrong. You are one of the most arrogant people I have ever met. I'm amazed at your self importance. Pot calling the kettle black. Most laughable. As to Lile,Most know that Lile didn't make most Lile knives for many years before his death. Much like another well known maker is doing it now. Basically a small manufacturing facility. Loveless has never done this. No work is out sourced. ( other than heat treating) No production methods. They are real one at a time hand made knives. You don't want them, Great. Leaves more for the rest of us. Many of you are wondering why I am so passionate on this subject. Bob is a good friend, and one of the most honest people I have ever met. Jim is probably one of the best friends I have in the world. These are very special people to me. So Guess I take this Loveless Bashing a little too personally. So I apologize in advance for the rant! Mike Lovett
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I buy and sell a lot of Loveless Knive's, a whole lot. Very few came to me from the Shop of Bob Loveless as the pieces can be found on the secondary market should one decide to pay the mark up.
As for Bob's personality, well I have known Bob and Jim for many years,I have seen their ups and downs, guess what,they are Human as are we. For the most part I find both to be Gentlemen of the first class. I do not know Mike Lovett from Adam, we have chatted once or twice, seems like a hell of a nice fellow. I will tell you the way he has Bob and Jims back, I would have Mike watch my back anytime and would do the same for him should he request it, as I would hope most good folks would do.
As for the comments made by the mystery fellow, I really could not comprehend what he was saying beyond unban Les.I like Les,I do not own this site. I agree with some of what real... says but would dare not agree in public with anything he says with that demeanor.
Although I have always dug Mullin and Sawby/Mullin Knive's,great designs,great workmanship, but you did not hear that from me.
By the way, for those that do not know me,I post rarely and read a lot but feel free to check my credentials.
Dave Ellis,ABS,M.S.
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http:www.exquisiteknives.com
As for Bob's personality, well I have known Bob and Jim for many years,I have seen their ups and downs, guess what,they are Human as are we. For the most part I find both to be Gentlemen of the first class. I do not know Mike Lovett from Adam, we have chatted once or twice, seems like a hell of a nice fellow. I will tell you the way he has Bob and Jims back, I would have Mike watch my back anytime and would do the same for him should he request it, as I would hope most good folks would do.
As for the comments made by the mystery fellow, I really could not comprehend what he was saying beyond unban Les.I like Les,I do not own this site. I agree with some of what real... says but would dare not agree in public with anything he says with that demeanor.
Although I have always dug Mullin and Sawby/Mullin Knive's,great designs,great workmanship, but you did not hear that from me.
By the way, for those that do not know me,I post rarely and read a lot but feel free to check my credentials.
Dave Ellis,ABS,M.S.
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Interesting conversations going on.
Real Deal: There is a thin line between arrogance and confidence. Les steps over that line on occasion, probably why he got canned. But YOU have yet to step out of the arrogance corner and provide anything but allegorical small talk. For all that abrasion that Les may have offered, there is much more credible info he provides for me to chew on. I may not agree, but I see another side I certainly would not have considered on my own.
So, we are on the same page about liking Les. But, attitude along with credible information is everything.
Coop
And you think WE had anything to do with that? You are going to berate the entire Custom Forum for the decision of Spark? That decision was up to the owner and the owner alone. This is his gig. I am thankful that covertly, he has been with us. There has certainly been a blind eye looking at Les from 'RCCC'.RealDeal said:
Real Deal: There is a thin line between arrogance and confidence. Les steps over that line on occasion, probably why he got canned. But YOU have yet to step out of the arrogance corner and provide anything but allegorical small talk. For all that abrasion that Les may have offered, there is much more credible info he provides for me to chew on. I may not agree, but I see another side I certainly would not have considered on my own.
So, we are on the same page about liking Les. But, attitude along with credible information is everything.
Coop
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RealDeal said:
OK, I'll play.
What does Susan call him?
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