Really stupid statement.

Well, it is true that locking folders have existed for hundreds if not thousands of years, BUT, they have only been common and well known for the last 50 years.
 
Psychopomp said:
I frequently carry a Spyderco Paramilitary, and even with it's incredibly strong and well designed lock, I don't feel any safer using it than I do a slipjoint. And I've never thought myself in any danger while using a slipjoint and I've never accidentally been cut by either a locking or non-locking knife while using it.
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so why not just carry a slipjoint? why carry a locking folder at all?
 
singularity35 said:
so why not just carry a slipjoint? why carry a locking folder at all?
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What fun is that? I carry both and never feel like I need the lock. I almost always have a slipjoint and a locking folder on me. I don't feel right without a couple blades in my pocket.:D
 
mmarkh said:
What fun is that? I carry both and never feel like I need the lock. I almost always have a slipjoint and a locking folder on me. I don't feel right without a couple blades in my pocket.:D
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Only a couple?

I have a smaller & larger slipjoint blade on my SAK + a plain & and serrated locking blade on my LM Wave + a larger locking blade on my LM k502x. That is five blades total and that is only on my EDC. (it is legally safer for me to carry these multitools in the city rather than knives)

I like the SAK - when you open up a slipjoint, especially the smaller blade, the number of NKP (non knife people) that freak out is pretty much none ever! The humble SAK must be the least offensive blade to use in public, which is handy - I could do without hassles from others over my knife usage.
 
For a while all I carried was a Victorinox SAK. It did everything I have ever needed. However, there is no lying about the convenience and utility of a one-hand deployable folder that clips to your pocket. It just so happens that most one hand folders also have blade locks. Another aspect is that non-locking knives rarely utilize high end steels -which are also nice to have -even for humble EDC tasks. Most of the time, one-hand deployment is not even needed but it is still convenient.

I still carry a SAK as EDC and it is still all that I really need, but I will admit that I also have a one-hand deployable knife -complete with a lock for EDC. I like traditional knives and often switch them for my SAK. I am open to Spyderco's UK line up and I would like to see more modern designs without locks, but the market is probably flooded with the desire for "tacti-capable" knives (for whatever the reasons may be).

Sometimes I will only carry a slip joint. When I do, it feels nice:)
 
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i carry a knife because i want to not because I really need it. i have also been bombarded by the SAK people i know that a SAK is all i'll need and it is getting old.
 
iambored388 said:
"yea, but you you don't really need a locking knife unless you're a retard."
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So very true.

singularity35 said:
i carry a knife because i want to not because I really need it. i have also been bombarded by the SAK people i know that a SAK is all i'll need and it is getting old.
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True and also true. When they tell you that a SAK is all you'll need just nod and agree - they speak the truth (but keep carrying whatever you WANT).

You don't really need a locking knife (unless you're a retard) - but what you carry isn't always just about what you need. A SAK is all you really need for day to day urban tasks, but many of us carry more because we want to. Some people like a one handed opening locking folder so they carry one - this has nothing to do with what they need and everything to do with what they want and what is more convenient. If you find it useful to carry something that is easier to use then what do you care if it is more than you need?

On the other side of the coin there is the guy that is the subject of the OP that didn't particularly feel a desire to have locking folders and as he said - there is no need. I am fine with that, just as I am fine with someone carrying a locking folder if they want.

I don't see that "yea, but you you don't really need a locking knife unless you're a retard." = "Only retards carry locking folders". Just as saying "you don't really need a Ferrari to drive from point A to point B" doesn't mean that it wouldn't be nice to have one if you were rich enough. If I was rich I would have a heap of stuff that I didn't really need - why not have unnecessary luxuries if you could afford to?
 
Just a thought. Which would be more complicated for a person with mental disability? A two or even three step closing operation of a locking blade or a one step action like a slipjoint? I'm not even going to comment on this out of control zombified resurrected dead horse of a thread about the lock vs slipjoint. But to the OP, Your friends statement was a little rude and single-minded. I'm sure you shrugged it off like most of us "should"(apparently not after a hundred posts). No big deal. I think we could move on.
 
iambored388 said:
So i was talking to a kid in my class that also collects knives. I know he doesn't know too much about knives(he collects the really cheap ones), but when he said this i was just like "you're kidding right."

Okay, so i was telling him about a video i saw demonstrating CS's tri-ad lock, and i told him that it looks really strong. And then he says, "yea, but you you don't really need a locking knife unless you're a retard." And i didn't want to say anything but i was thinking,"wow what stupid thing to say."

I know this really isn't important but i felt like sharing. Also i don't know if i'm posting this in the right area so sorry if i did.
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So the original proposition, with the crudity removed, was "you don't really need a locking blade."

A lot of us may prefer locking blades, some may feel more comfortable with them. But essentially the young man was correct. For most purposes, a locking blade is at best a "Nice to have" not a "gotta have". For some it may not even be a desirable feature.

I tend to carry both and I find that my slipjoint gets more use. The times that I find that a locking blade is a "nice to have" is when I am working with something and need both hands to position it for cutting, then want to hold it with one hand, while opening the knife with the other. That's a very nice to have.
 
mmarkh said:
What fun is that? I carry both and never feel like I need the lock.
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Cars didn't used to have ABS. Most of us got where we wanted to go. Some people had accidents.
Now, because of ABS, less people have accidents. Cars have become safer. Same for all the other innovations that make cars safer.
We got around before without them. But only an idiot would insist on driving a car that does NOT have ABS, ESP, ESC, etc, etc...

A slipjoint is better than no knife. And that's about the only thing a slipjoint beats. Well, maybe a flint knife, although even that is certainly safer. :D
 
philwar said:
Cars didn't used to have ABS. Most of us got where we wanted to go. Some people had accidents.
Now, because of ABS, less people have accidents. Cars have become safer. Same for all the other innovations that make cars safer.
We got around before without them. But only an idiot would insist on driving a car that does NOT have ABS, ESP, ESC, etc, etc...

A slipjoint is better than no knife. And that's about the only thing a slipjoint beats. Well, maybe a flint knife, although even that is certainly safer. :D
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:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:...

Yes -five eeks.
 
Phil Brown said:
I really can't figure out how this discussion got onto milk cartons... :confused:
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Easy to figure out IMO. Milk cartons are soft medias. There is someone telling us, he needs a locking folder to drill holes in them. He needs locking folders for that.

I took my SAK spartan and my SAK farmer and punched holes into the bottles. No problem. After that i tried to punch holes in a way, that makes the blade fold. Somehow complicated to do so.

After that i took our kitchen scales and tried to find out, at which point the blades fold.

The SAK spartan mostly fold at a point around 600 gramms. The Farmer folds around 1.100 gramms.

So, if the knife folds by punching holes into milk boxes, improve your technics.
 
I like both, and I do not see any problem with a locking knife. If I couldn't trust a properly executed lock on a knife, I certainly could never use a ratchet and would only have wrenches and breaker bars (without using u-joints). I don't have to 'stab', but sometimes have to poke or prod in less than ideal positions. A lock on the folder I'm carrying helps.

For weakness of folders in general, pliers are also already 'broken' with a pivot point, as are bolt cutters, scissors, and more. Someone posted pics of a linerless slipjoint being tested by lateral bending. The blade broke and the pivot & handle with no metal were still intact. Folders, and especially locking ones, can handle more than cutting with some care exercised. I don't know how much better partial or stick tang knives are, particularly moded plastic handled ones, or ones with stress risers in the design.
 
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philwar said:
A slipjoint is better than no knife. And that's about the only thing a slipjoint beats. Well, maybe a flint knife, although even that is certainly safer. :D
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haha! :thumbup: Well there you go, people got by for thousands of years using rocks and sticks, so if you NEED more than a peice of flint in your pocket for cutting chores you must be a retard!
 
jay2pointoh said:
Just a thought. Which would be more complicated for a person with mental disability? A two or even three step closing operation of a locking blade or a one step action like a slipjoint? I'm not even going to comment on this out of control zombified resurrected dead horse of a thread about the lock vs slipjoint. But to the OP, Your friends statement was a little rude and single-minded. I'm sure you shrugged it off like most of us "should"(apparently not after a hundred posts). No big deal. I think we could move on.
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I think it's pretty unsafe to give a knife to a retard anyway :p

But you have to be hounest. A locking knife can take more than a slipjoint. It isn't necessary for day to day tasks, but someone in the military or a police officer might need it.
Personally, I carry locking folders mostly, because there are just very little slip joints that I like. If,my favourite knife was made in a slipjoint variation, I would carry that too, so I don't pick knives on just the fact that they lock.
 
BryFry said:
haha! :thumbup: Well there you go, people got by for thousands of years using rocks and sticks, so if you NEED more than a peice of flint in your pocket for cutting chores you must be a retard!
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I guess there's no arguing with that. :D
 
Blop said:
So, if the knife folds by punching holes into milk boxes, improve your technics.
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Or get a locking folder. Better yet, do both. ;) But you can rely on the lock. Your technique WILL fail you one day.
 
Hey, if someone relies on the lock, someone else comes and tells him:"Any lock can fail!" and now you tell me the technic will?

Is that a kind of catch 22? :D

The slipjoints "weakness" is its strength. If you handle the knife more carefully, you can lead a finer and sharper edge, than with a more robust "do all" knife.

From fixed blades over locking folders to slipjoints and razor blades.
 
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