Really stupid statement.

[ChapmanPreferred]

I have both and I prefer locking blades regardless of need. I also enjoy fixed blades.

 

[Blop]

And then he says, "yea, but you you don't really need a locking knife unless you're a retard."

You surely don´t need it in the most cases of every day tasks, a folding knife sees. If you need it in that cases, well...

The boy is right, if he considers pure cutting tasks.

A non - locking knife clearly limits how the knife can be used. That sometimes goes beyond pure cutting. Some ppl. see a knife as a general purpose tool and look for more than pure cutting.

Basicly the boy is right.

 

[jackknife]

Either one will do the job okay if just need to cut something. But it's a funny thing, that before 1963 when Buck came out with the folding hunter, people didn't carry lockblades. In fact, there were not a heck of a lot of locking blade knives around when I was a kid. For 99.9% of the people who had some kind of pocket knife on them, it was the sterio typical little two blade jack about 3 inches closed. Two bladed slip joint knives did most of what had to be done. Oh, there were some locking blade knives around, but they just never got very popular. For most of what regular people do, a slip joint is fine. You just have to keep in mind proper knife handling techniques. The very act of cutting creates torque on the blade to keep it open. Although John Wilkes Booth had a folding dagger with a locking blade on him when he was killed at Garrets barn in 1865' the most popular folding knife shiiped west between 1850 and 1870, was the plain old John Russell company barlow knife. Maybe most working folks didn't need to stab anything. Looking the European penny knife, the most used knife by field hands, day laborers, and the like, they didn't eveern have a backspring. They were friction folders. Yet they were popular right up to the 20th century.

Somehow, our grandfathers, and thier fathers before them used old style slip joints in real day to day work, without loosing any of their fingers. And back then, people lived a lifestyle that needed an outdoor work knife a heck of a lot more than now. In the great population shift after WW2, most Americans moved to the big city, or the new suburbs. In reality, we need knives less on a day to day basis than our grandfathers. Today we have an entire generation or two that has been brought up in suburbia, yet feels the need for extra stout locking blade knives. This is a perception created by the new knife companies that came about in the late 70's and 80's, like Spyderco, Kershaw, Al Marr, and a few others. It really was a stroke of advertising genious, to create a whole new perceived need in the knife market to sell something new to the 20 and 30 something year old crowd. I can only wonder how all those old farmers, ranchers, working cowboys, sailors on ships that really did use sails to go, and all the other blue collar working people got by with those dangerous old slip joint knives.

Sure, the locking blade knife does indeed offer a bit of safty over the slip joint. If you are going to abuse a knife, or do something dumb with it by exceeding what it was designed to to, yes a lock is a good thing. But keep one thing in mind; any mechanical devise can fail if abused. When I was growing up in the 1940's and 50's, I took note of one thing my elders did. While they all carried a standard pocket knife of the day, a small two blade slip joint, they all had a sheath knife for the heavy or dirty jobs. It may have been one of those leather handle Case Little finn's, or a Kaybar or some other knife they came home from the war with. But they all had a nice solid sheath knife someplace close at hand, like in a glove box, car trunk, or kit bag. The went by the rule that since no one tool is perfect, have a couple of tools and use the right tool for the job.

But there is one thing that the slip joint is not; a weapon. Like it or not, admit it or not, the big draw I see in this new age of super duper locking knives like the tacticals, is they are sold as weapons. Like has been said here on this thread, a slip joint can't stab. This has been the big change in view that I've seen in my life. The weaponization of a everyday tool. The Hollywood effect. Put a knife in a movie, and you have instant sales. Put it in a vidio game and watch it fly off the shelves. Just watch this forum to see it. Let a charater on a TV show use a different knife, and you have two dozen people wanting to buy the thing. No matter that they already have a dozen super ninja knives, they have to have the latest knife on NCIS or some other TV show.

Knife sales these days seem to be involved in fantacy more than anyother thing. Real life doesn't enter into it anymore. Never mind that most people on this forum could actually get by with a Victorinox classic or some other little keychain pen knife, it's not what so and so used on such and such movie or TV show.

Lock or no lock, any tool is only as safe as the person using it.

 

[Blop]

ya well may i ask why they put safety on guns?

they are safe

Maybe there is a little difference between a firing gun and a colapsing knife?

 

[philwar]

You surely don´t need it in the most cases of every day tasks, a folding knife sees. If you need it in that cases, well...

The boy is right, if he considers pure cutting tasks.

That's a big 'if.' Conversely you could say that non-locking folders are only useful for 'pure cutting tasks.' And they're still at best only equally as useful as a locking folder, which has a more broad range of uses.

A non - locking knife clearly limits how the knife can be used. That sometimes goes beyond pure cutting. Some ppl. see a knife as a general purpose tool and look for more than pure cutting.

I don't know about anyone else, but one of the things I use my folders A LOT for is punching holes in drinking cartons. Milk, juice, cream, you name it. Just prick a little airhole in them. That's one usage guaranteed to slice up your finger sooner or later with a slipjoint - and yes, it would be your own fault.

Basicly the boy is right.

No he's not. He's actually wrong.

"yea, but you you don't really need a locking knife unless you're a retard."

You think that's an accurate and correct statement? Please read it again and tell me you agree.

 

[3_hard_boiled_eggs]

let me make a point here. you don't pull a camper with a VW

you don't park a 18 wheeler in a small space.

they all have their uses.

if you carry a folding knife it is useful. if you can carry a fixed blade do so. less parts to fail. i know the CIA don't like folders and they use their knives to save their lives. but of course they have limits.

i like a fixed blade that is small. that is what i personal carry. but i know what i want.

there is no wrong or right about it. but i know things progress. and as it is steel has its limits and later when tuff screws come out they could be stronger than the steel they hold. no one knows. yet

 

[puukkoman]

So i was talking to a kid in my class that also collects knives. I know he doesn't know too much about knives(he collects the really cheap ones), but when he said this i was just like "you're kidding right."

Okay, so i was telling him about a video i saw demonstrating CS's tri-ad lock, and i told him that it looks really strong. And then he says, "yea, but you you don't really need a locking knife unless you're a retard." And i didn't want to say anything but i was thinking,"wow what stupid thing to say."

I know this really isn't important but i felt like sharing. Also i don't know if i'm posting this in the right area so sorry if i did.

Ehh, it's not a stupid statement (except maybe for the derogatory tone). Most knife-related applications do not require locking blades.

 

[FlaMtnBkr]

I don't know about anyone else, but one of the things I use my folders A LOT for is punching holes in drinking cartons. Milk, juice, cream, you name it. Just prick a little airhole in them. That's one usage guaranteed to slice up your finger sooner or later with a slipjoint - and yes, it would be your own fault.

I rarely carry or use slip joints and I only have one that was given to me. But it isn't that hard to poke a hole in a milk jug. Just grab the blade so an inch is sticking out of your grip and twist in a hole. I also don't see the need for a hole in a jug but I guess that is personal preference. Pouring a glass of milk or juice has always worked fine with the opening that comes on the container. I don't shotgun quarts of milk so maybe that is why I haven't found the need?

 

[a2d2]

I know, but the truth is if it folds it's already broken before you start.

They can get the lock as strong as they want, but if you pry with a folding knife or put lateral force on it something will give. A folder will never be as strong as a fixed blade for that simple reason, and all locks can fail if pushed hard enough.

I agree with you for the most part regarding folders being used for prying, but would add that I would not pry with a fixed blade either. As far as folders never getting to the point where they are as strong as a fixed blade, only time will tell. I'd take a folder with a proven lock over quite a few(not all) fixed blades with stick tangs any day as long as the pivot pin is strong enough.

 

[Jos]

I wants a bloodgroove on my slippie!

 

[never too sharp]

you don't pull a camper with a VW

you don't park a 18 wheeler in a small space.

You don't tug on Superman's cape, you don't spit into the wind...

This summarizes this thread succinctly.

 

[philwar]

I rarely carry or use slip joints and I only have one that was given to me. But it isn't that hard to poke a hole in a milk jug. Just grab the blade so an inch is sticking out of your grip and twist in a hole.

Thx for the tutorial. I like to just pierce the carton like I would with a fixed blade.

I also don't see the need for a hole in a jug but I guess that is personal preference. Pouring a glass of milk or juice has always worked fine with the opening that comes on the container.

First off, it's just an example of how I use the tip of the knife. More importantly, pouring never works from cartons if they don't have an extra airhole.
At least not the ones I mysteriously find in my fridge all the time.

 

[FlaMtnBkr]

Thx for the tutorial. I like to just pierce the carton like I would with a fixed blade.


First off, it's just an example of how I use the tip of the knife. More importantly, pouring never works from cartons if they don't have an extra airhole.
At least not the ones I mysteriously find in my fridge all the time.

Your welcome To say you are definitely going to end up with an injury by cutting a hole in a carton seems a little silly. I was just trying to explain a way so you don't end up chopping your finger off on a gallon of milk.

They pour just fine for me and millions (billions?) of other people. But I don't invert the bottle for the fastest (?) pour so it has to gulp for air either.

As has been mentioned people used knives without locks for hundreds of years and most used them much harder than the majority of people here that live in suburbia. And most of them passed with all their digits intact.

 

[Blop]

That's a big 'if.' Conversely you could say that non-locking folders are only useful for 'pure cutting tasks.'

Yes, i would say so. What else are slip joints made for?

I don't know about anyone else, but one of the things I use my folders A LOT for is punching holes in drinking cartons. Milk, juice, cream, you name it. Just prick a little airhole in them. That's one usage guaranteed to slice up your finger sooner or later with a slipjoint - and yes, it would be your own fault.

OK, that topic won´t change my edc , but the next thing i do is pricking holes into milk and juice boxes to see. I come back on this tomorrow.

I take a SAK Spartan and a SAK Farmer.

You think that's an accurate and correct statement? Please read it again and tell me you agree.

You mean "retard"?

 

[Blop]

They pour just fine for me and millions (billions?) of other people. But I don't invert the bottle for the fastest (?) pour so it has to gulp for air either.

I know, what he´s talking about, i punch holes in them too. Maybe the bottles are different, the problem remains the same.

 

[Psychopomp]

ya well may i ask why they put safety on guns?

they are safe

Not a great comparison.

Sure a gun lying on the table fully loaded with the safety off is perfectly safe. But do you want to be carrying that same gun around in your pocket with the safety off? Probably not. At least, I wouldn't want to.

With a knife there's little chance of doing major bodily harm to yourself or others with the non-locking knife in an inert position (in the pocket, in a bag). If you bump the gun the wrong way, there's potential that it'll go off. Sure with the weight of most trigger pulls the chances of that happening are slim to none, but I've seen a lot of things happen that shouldn't.

That said, everything has its place. I like locking knives and I like slipjoints. I'm more interested in slipjoints because I find that there's more variety and something about the designs speak to me more, but I have nothing against modern, locking knives.

I frequently carry a Spyderco Paramilitary, and even with it's incredibly strong and well designed lock, I don't feel any safer using it than I do a slipjoint. And I've never thought myself in any danger while using a slipjoint and I've never accidentally been cut by either a locking or non-locking knife while using it.

Other than the occasional, unpredictable catastrophic failure, if you know your tools, know how to use them and take care of them, the chances of getting hurt are pretty slim.

Those catastrophic failures do happen... blades bind and break, pivots shear off. But they happen far less often than youtube reviewers would have you believe and in most cases having a lock isn't going to make any difference when something really bad happens.

The most important rule is, again, to know your tools and their limitations.

 

[FlaMtnBkr]

I know, what he´s talking about, i punch holes in them too. Maybe the bottles are different, the problem remains the same.

That is strange. I wonder what the bottles look like? I haven't encountered one yet where a slow controlled pour doesn't come out nicely or gulp for air to equalize pressure.

 

[FlaMtnBkr]

Not a great comparison.

Sure a gun lying on the table fully loaded with the safety off is perfectly safe. But do you want to be carrying that same gun around in your pocket with the safety off? Probably not. At least, I wouldn't want to.

With a knife there's little chance of doing major bodily harm to yourself or others with the non-locking knife in an inert position (in the pocket, in a bag). If you bump the gun the wrong way, there's potential that it'll go off. Sure with the weight of most trigger pulls the chances of that happening are slim to none, but I've seen a lot of things happen that shouldn't.

That said, everything has its place. I like locking knives and I like slipjoints. I'm more interested in slipjoints because I find that there's more variety and something about the designs speak to me more, but I have nothing against modern, locking knives.

I frequently carry a Spyderco Paramilitary, and even with it's incredibly strong and well designed lock, I don't feel any safer using it than I do a slipjoint. And I've never thought myself in any danger while using a slipjoint and I've never accidentally been cut by either a locking or non-locking knife while using it.

Other than the occasional, unpredictable catastrophic failure, if you know your tools, know how to use them and take care of them, the chances of getting hurt are pretty slim.

Those catastrophic failures do happen... blades bind and break, pivots shear off. But they happen far less often than youtube reviewers would have you believe and in most cases having a lock isn't going to make any difference when something really bad happens.

The most important rule is, again, to know your tools and their limitations.

I carry a revolver in my pocket all the time that doesn't have a safety. I also carry a semi auto Kel Tec PF9 with a round in the chamber and it also doesn't have a safety and it is usually stuck down the front of my pants IWB. I'm not worried about either accidentally going off.

 

[puukkoman]

I rarely carry or use slip joints and I only have one that was given to me. But it isn't that hard to poke a hole in a milk jug. Just grab the blade so an inch is sticking out of your grip and twist in a hole. I also don't see the need for a hole in a jug but I guess that is personal preference. Pouring a glass of milk or juice has always worked fine with the opening that comes on the container. I don't shotgun quarts of milk so maybe that is why I haven't found the need?

maybe he's making bongs...

 

[Phil Brown]

I carry a revolver in my pocket all the time that doesn't have a safety. I also carry a semi auto Kel Tec PF9 with a round in the chamber and it also doesn't have a safety and it is usually stuck down the front of my pants IWB. I'm not worried about either accidentally going off.

I also prefer pistols without manual safeties. In order to carry one, you have to learn very quickly that pulling the trigger = firing, period. Growing up with SAKs and sodbusters taught me a similar lesson about folding knives: if you push on the blade, it will close. You can't depend on a lock when it isn't there, and even if it is there, it's a lot smarter not to stake your life on it.

Don't get me wrong, I love my framelocks, compression locks, etc. I certainly don't mind being able to put some pressure on the thumb ramp. But I don't absolutely need that ability, and it would be a serious mistake to fool myself into thinking that any lock could transform my folder into a fixed blade.

I really can't figure out how this discussion got onto milk cartons...