Reasons to join the ABS

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What are some of the reasons some one would have for joining the ABS I am not much of a club joining type of guy. Still I can see some big reasons to join the ABS. I just can’t decide if it’s really for me or not. I forge knives so that’s not the issue (just wanted to make that clear).


The first thing that comes to mind is if I join the ABS and go through all the steps and get the stamps I will get name recognition. That should be desirable but I tend to think that’s not really "ME".

Honestly though I don’t really know much about it and that’s why I was hoping some of you folks would help me weigh the pros and cons of joining the ABS.
 
I'd figure it comes down to pure preference. I'm not so sure name recognition is automatic. I'd figure it's more up to the individual, if that's their interest. For folks that like organizations, it seems like the only game in town for the forged blade. I see the stamps as bench marks and not so much business goals. They seem like a fair as can be way to compare oneself to fellow bladesmiths from different influences.

Take care, Craig
 
The purpose of the ABS is to promote and preserve the art of the hand forged knife in its highest degree of excellence. It isn't a club or social organization.

I would say to attend an ABS hammer-in, class, or the Blade Show and see what the ABS and its members are all about. The main function is teaching. The secondary function is learning. The exchange of ideas at any ABS gathering is unbelievable. You do not have to be an ABS member to attend any of their functions, which speaks a lot about their willingness to share.

Stacy
 
It's a good organization with good people. Promote and preserve The Craft by joining up.:thumbup:
- Mitch
 
all the cool kids are doing it :)
im joking
if i forged blades i would be singed up
matter of fact a few round here would like me to start banging on blades and signed up any how and i might after all
 
The great thing about the ABS is that pretty much anyone can join. there is no entrance exam, secret handshake or requirement that you be making knives for a living or at all for that matter. All it takes is a few bucks and some time to fill out and mail the application. What you get has already been discussed. Joining merely helps sustain these fantastic learning opportunities. A number of great smiths have joined and chosen not to go through the testing process. I would say that you could join and pay your dues for at least one year as kind of a "thank you" to the ABS and it's founders for pretty much killing the concept of "trade secrets" in the custom knifemaking world.:thumbup:;)
 
I joined years ago just to support the org. And I wanted a table in the ABS section at Blade :)
I support everything that supports custom knives.

I was only making folders at the time and had No plans for the stamps.......
But something change in 04 and I got the 'big fixed blade itch' :D
 
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Well Don, you sure have scratched that itch!
Merry Christmas to you all! bruce/birdog
 
If you had asked this question 10 (or maybe even 5) years ago I would have said that the stamps and what they can do for your sales were perhaps the best reason, next would be the catalyst for improvement that trying for those stamps can be. The information and knowledge you could pick up would have been down the list a little further and I am not sure if it would have outweighed some of the regional politics.

But that was then, this is now. In the past, few were as outspoken in their criticism of many aspects of the ABS as myself, and that was while I held a Mastersmith rating but as a testament to the group I was not shunned, and eventually they not only heard my views, they actually gave me platforms on which to share them. Today the group has impressed me with very positive changes I never thought would come. Members in the current leadership seem to have taken the part of the mission statement of being an educational organization to heart and recognize the importance of solid fact based information being applied to a traditional craft in order to keep it alive and well in the 21st century. The hammer, forge and anvil can survive from the 13th century, but there is no reason why one cannot also arm them self with knowledge as to what is really happing when you use these tools.

As for the stamps, there was a time when having one of those ratings made you very special and gave you name recognition and attractiveness to collectors, however there are now so many people with those stamps that I believe this is fading. I have always said that the smiths work must justify the stamp, never the other way around. The real value in getting those stamps is much more powerful than mere sales, or recognition, and despite how much people may not like it, that value rests more in Atlanta than in the physical performance tests. Think about it, you will have to make the 5 BEST knives you have ever made. You have no idea how picky each judge will be, or what they will nail you on, thus no flaw that you can see will be acceptable. The months of self scrutiny on your knives while disciplining yourself to get every last scratch and wobble gone will advance the quality of your work ten fold in a short period of time. Getting ready for a Journeyman or Master stamp is the equivalent of bladesmith boot camp; instead of years of fiddling you will have weeks of intense immersion in the craft where only your very best work can survive.

In this time your eye will be trained to spot things that you really could not see before, you will develop the eye of a Master bladesmith and see your work in a whole new way, and you will be astonished at what you thought was good, or even acceptable in the past. You can learn this all on your own in such a regimen but you will also pick up even more through exposure to others who have went through the same transformation.

If there is one thing to remember about any non-profit organization it is that you will get out of exactly what you put into it! Those who look to reap some benefits simply by joining will be sorely disappointed and perhaps go away bitter. It is like a community garden, those who only show up at planting and then at harvest may find their share pretty sickly and small. Those who regularly joined in with the weeding, watering and hoeing, found that the vegetables were irrelevant compared to the experience of interacting and working with the other gardeners.
 
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On a separate note about this topic, I can almost guarantee this thread is going to attract the usual ABS bashers.

When you deal with large groups and organizations there are several types of people you will encounter. There are the Kool-aide drinking joiners, these folks need to be a part of something for personal validation and will fervently defend their group to the end, wearing rose colored glasses that makes any moderately good thing appear ten times greater, while totally filtering out any negatives; it is easy to do this when only looking out from the inside.

Then there are the outsiders who have for some deep personal reason taken a dislike for the group in question. For these people only the negative aspects will be worthy of note, and they may even ignore any positives. The real problem with this group is that time has stood still at the point they made up their mind about the group, and they will only work off from outdated information they gathered at the time of their disillusionment, they will however accept any new rumors or innuendo that reinforce their negative viewpoints. I see this type of person most often involved in religious bigotry, spewing venom and casting judgment without any real knowledge of the group other than their opinion based assumptions. Dig deep enough into these people and you will find some petty little injury they are still nursing instead of letting go of.

The group I hope to be in when I can are the people who reserve judgment until all the facts are in. They take the past that they can verify along with the present conditions into account, and try to make objective assessments based upon direct observation. They realize the first group, due to their warm fuzzy bias, is no more reliable as a source of information as the second with their personal axes to grind; they like to see for themselves and then make up their own minds.

The greatest difference in these groups, however, is in how they deal with the situation they have assessed if a need for improvement is found. The first group will may not recognize the need at all, and if they do will simply accept it as a necessary evil in comparison to all the real or imagined virtues. The second group will decide the only course of action is to tear down or destroy the entire thing, endlessly condemning it with their distant bit@#ing*. The more people they can turn away with their exaggerated fault finding and name calling the better. The last group take a more novel approach, they see the good things and the potential they have and do something truly radical – they get involved :eek:. They realize there is always room for improvement so even the good points can be fine tuned but can wait until the non working a parts are repaired. Instead of settling for the status quo, or casting stones from a distance, they get to know the real situation and try to help improve things for all.

I would say that if you hear the same criticism from many sources take that into account along with the wonderful glowing claims about the virtues, but take them both with a grain of salt while you set out to verify them for yourself. This is one of those situations where reality can be what you make of it.

*Continual criticism with no suggestions or solutions is nothing more bit@#ing!
 
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Wow Kevin,

Not only are your tech notes on Ht (and more) brilliant but you write with passion and an increasingly rare common sense.

I'm joining the ABS.
 
I'm going to toss my 2 cents which aren't as valuable as some that have spoken but it includes a HUGE mea culpa. When I first thought about getting my stamp, I primarily thought about the notoriety it would bring and how it would improve my sales. Since then, after meeting journeymen and masters that I respect I have changed my view. I want my JS because it means that I CAN produce products worthy of their trust in giving me a stamp. I want to earn my stamp because I want to earn the trust and the onus of carrying the knowledge and passing it on.

It seems like a small but it's a huge paradign shift. I no longer make blades as an avocation, I make blades as a craft. I have chosen to follow the artisan's path.

One of the things that impressed me most about the ABS and it's members was at Batson's this year (my first hammerin). There was a young man with piercings, dressed "strangely" like my teens, surrounded by men in their later years wearing the usual smith clothing of cowboy hats and baseball caps and boots. They had notepads and listened intently as he described his mosaic techniques and used technical terms like "trippy". What other group would even bring these people together much less provide a place where knowledge is revered to the point of elders listening to the youth?

I can't give you true reasons to join the ABS, sure JS and MS will affect your sales in the short term but that will fizzle out if you're not true to the craft.
 
I can’t tell you all how much I appreciate all the comments. I am not personally looking for any sort of validation or even career success form the ABS. Unfortunately I have seen more views on the marketing aspect of membership. Collectors talk and so do some makers about the ABS in a very value conscious way.

I do understand the originally intended purpose of the ABS, but what it is now may be, for all I know, something completely different.

If I am going to pay the dues and join the ABS I want to understand where my money is going. I also want to know or at least have an idea of how I may successfully integrate myself into the ABS without compromising my own ideals.

Are there any ABS functions in or near Michigan?

Thanks you folks are really helping me to see some good reasons to join.
 
I support everything that supports custom knives.

That is a very good and simple point. The fact that they exist may well be one of the biggest factors in my being able to enjoy the craft of knife making.

If they did not exist I may not have gotten as far into knifemaking as I have even though I have never been a member or gone to one of their functions.
 
Its a fine organization with many great people who all share the same interests you have. Except for the $60 per year and the slow emails back I cant think of one thing I dont like about the ABS.
I took the stamp journey as a personal growth move but I know several happy ABS members that just enjoy interacting with good people that become good friends.
Ask Art Swyhart. He has been an apprentise for going on about 25 years. He makes a fine knife but has no intention to test. He is an absolute wealth of knowlegde gleaned from all the years as a member.
Heck just try it and quit if you dont like it.
 
I am pretty sure I would not be a full time maker without the internet, and if I still hammered steel I would be a member of something. There will always be bashers
but Kevin said it very well about getting out what you put in. Why would someone spend big bucks on a knife and not want the total package?
 
My reason for joining were simple. I looked at the work done and the advice given so freely by JS & MS alike. I joined just to be a part of the groupe to help the ABS do what it does. The info at the first hammer-in I went to was mind overload. Guys like Shawn Ellis and Greg Neely talking with you 1 on 1. and showing you how to do things and do it right. That 3 days changed the way I made knives. The ABS is just a name, the people that are in it make it special. If you have ever ask an ABS member for advice on how to do something,the answers alone are a reason to want to be a part of it.
 
I joined the ABS after meeting a few great people and reading about what they were about. I made a goal for myself to achieve the JS and MS stamps. I did not make this goal for promotion of my knives but rather a journey that I wanted to embark upon. The benefits of notoriety of the ABS is a bonus. Also just because you have a stamp does not mean that collectors will automatically accept you as an established maker. That still has to be earned one knife at a time. I have not been able to complete this journey as of yet but I am still plodding along and hope to complete the MS portion by the 2010 Blade show. Do I recommend joining, ABSOLUTELY. But as Kevin said so eloquently, do it for your reasons and plan to put in as much or more than you get out of it.
 
+1 on what all of the guys have said. With all of the help and advice you get from your fellow smiths, someday, you will get that one addition piece of advice that, when you put it into practice, will take your work to a level that you didn't think you could do in such a short period of time. In my case, it was as simple as modifying the way I hand sanded a blade or shaping a guard in a slightly different way. If you talk to your fellow knifemakers, you will eventually find someone who had the exact same problem that you did and figured out a solution, so that it won't take you nearly as long to fix the problem. The payback is that someday, you will do something like that for some new maker.
 
just as i have to say even tho i have not started the ABS "plan"
i have my JS knives sorta planed out (performance test knife for sure )
 
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