Recommend me a new EDC that cannot be opened by inertia

Looks like a court case in new York people vs dolson ruled that a knife that opens by inertia or force but doesn't lock in place is not a gravity knife. So a slip joint that can be opened by inertia "should" be fine in court. Also people be zuniga ruled out a Bali because it had to be manually locked in place. What a twisted web they have weaved.
 
craytab said:
One hand opening is important to many people.
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I can see it as a legitimate need on a job site and, as with hammers and saws, such a knife can be kept in a tool box to/from the site and worn on the site. There's a problem there, but hold that thought...

Nyc has basically outlawed easy one hand opening knives.
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IMO, if the people of NYC democratically decide to limit the use of certain weapons, that's their democratic right. Democracy is a funny thing and it can cut in several directions. OC spray is legal. Chemical nerve agents are not. Certain handguns and rifles are legal. Fully automatic weapons are not. We may disagree where the line gets drawn and we always confront the problem of ridiculous distinctions on either side of these lines. But I don't think many people will argue for no lines at all when it comes to weapons.

Now, the real question here I think is whether or not the people of NYC have democratically decided this or whether it is the case that the NYDP (which is different from NYC) has unilaterally made an enforcement decision without the democratic consent of the people of NYC.

The NYPD has had a long and very public policy of so-called "broken window" policing strategies in which they will use just about any pre-text to arrest and detain people. In this context, a knife is just like a broken tail light on your car - an excuse for a cop to detain you.

I'm a small 'd' democrat and am afraid that the only solution for this will lie with the people of NYC. They will need to decide if they want to exert democratic control of their police and their laws.
 
I work in NYC and most days I carry a slip-joint. Once in awhile a carry a small fixed blade in the pocket. And thats pushing it because of the words "dangerous knife" in the penal code.
Anything a PO thinks could be a weapon , will be considered a dangerous knife. And if they see a pocket clip or belt sheath , they will ask to see it.

While NYPD can be very courteous in most interactions, they can also be very aggressive when looking for a collar.
I transfer trains at Times Square and the NYPD is very busy there.
 
Just get rid of you pocket clip. Carry your edc in a pocket slip and that’s it.

Also, you can just carry a small pocket fixed blade.
 
I think I'm going with a LeDuck under my shirt / hoody carried via a cord around my neck. Sweet little knife. It is a little too little, but hopefully will work for NYC.

It does say survival series. I noticed the laws in the UK said that it cannot be a zombie knife.

  • zombie knives - a knife with a cutting edge, a serrated edge and images or words suggesting it is used for violence

I wonder if the NYC cops will call it a zombie knife? Mine is in black handle. What a sweet sheath.

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I still hope to find a folder that is usable. The trad knifes with fingernail slot are just not usable for me.
 
fq55 said:
Just get rid of you pocket clip. Carry your edc in a pocket slip and that’s it.

Also, you can just carry a small pocket fixed blade.
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That is how I think I'm going...fixed I was at Cabelas. All their folding knives were illegal in NYC except for a small case of trad case knives.
 
pinnah said:
I can see it as a legitimate need on a job site and, as with hammers and saws, such a knife can be kept in a tool box to/from the site and worn on the site. There's a problem there, but hold that thought...



IMO, if the people of NYC democratically decide to limit the use of certain weapons, that's their democratic right. Democracy is a funny thing and it can cut in several directions. OC spray is legal. Chemical nerve agents are not. Certain handguns and rifles are legal. Fully automatic weapons are not. We may disagree where the line gets drawn and we always confront the problem of ridiculous distinctions on either side of these lines. But I don't think many people will argue for no lines at all when it comes to weapons.

Now, the real question here I think is whether or not the people of NYC have democratically decided this or whether it is the case that the NYDP (which is different from NYC) has unilaterally made an enforcement decision without the democratic consent of the people of NYC.

The NYPD has had a long and very public policy of so-called "broken window" policing strategies in which they will use just about any pre-text to arrest and detain people. In this context, a knife is just like a broken tail light on your car - an excuse for a cop to detain you.

I'm a small 'd' democrat and am afraid that the only solution for this will lie with the people of NYC. They will need to decide if they want to exert democratic control of their police and their laws.
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OC Spray in NJ/ NYC has to conform to certain standards. I use 2 and 4 oz sprays in the Rustbelt. I leave them at home. Whatever I use in NYC has to be NJ / NY legal.
 
slakercruster said:
I think I'm going with a LeDuck under my shirt / hoody carried via a cord around my neck. Sweet little knife. It is a little too little, but hopefully will work for NYC.

It does say survival series. I noticed the laws in the UK said that it cannot be a zombie knife.

  • zombie knives - a knife with a cutting edge, a serrated edge and images or words suggesting it is used for violence

I wonder if the NYC cops will call it a zombie knife? Mine is in black handle. What a sweet sheath.

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I still hope to find a folder that is usable. The trad knifes with fingernail slot are just not usable for me.
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As long as it's under 4 inch and concealed your good.
 
DB_Cruiser said:
Yeah, I only carry slip joints and friction folders in NYC these days. I've never been hassled, but I have a friend who is paying the price for an exposed clip on a Kershaw Leek.
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I've been unbelievably lucky. For years I was carrying an exposed clip on a Benchmade in my pants pocket. And a black stiletto shaped serrated fixed blade knife right out in the open mounted on my backpack strap. The knife and strap were both black, but it was not hidden from sight by any means. I don't live in NYC full time. But still I've been all over Manhattan / Queens / Brooklyn for a week at a time here and there, so have had plenty of exposure.

Before knowing any of the laws I thought it would be fine for the knife to be out in the open. I figured a concealed weapon was bad. That is all you here in the news...concealed weapon...concealed weapon.
 
Conceald weapon is such a bad term used. That gives ot that bad outlook. We should just start calling them concealed. Ive been pulled over before and they ask do you have any weapons. I say no but i have some very useful tools.
 
slakercruster said:
I love my Benchmade spring assisted knives, but they are illegal to carry in NYC. I only work part time in NYC part and most of the time I carry Benchmade when not in the city.

I'm looking for an easy to open, quality blade that is 3 inches or under, has a pocket clip and cannot be opened by wrist flicking.

In NYC if you can open a knife by horizontal inertia that is deemed a gravity knife and illegal.
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I honestly can’t think of one modern locking folder I’ve come across that can’t be inertia shaked open by holding it with the pivot end facing the ground and giving a sharp semi circular wrist snap.

I thought locking knives were illegal alltogether in NYC. If that’s not the case I believe the Case Russlock has a backspring that might prevent it from the all defeating downward inertial shake.

Maybe certain knives you could tighten the pivot to a point where the blade won’t fully open in one shake? But I don’t know if they’ll just shake it again and again until it locks open.

Yeah that is really a dangerous quick opening knife. One you have to shake 5 times to get open. The thought of a guy about to stab someone and being like “hold on, gotts gets my shank open” and shaking the knife 5 times has me laughterating.
 
marrenmiller said:
The Manix 2 is very difficult to inertia open, but it can be done. I think it's also a bit larger than your requirement. Basically anything with an axis lock can be inertia opened too.

I'd say the native 5. It's right under 3" in blade length and it would be very difficult, though not impossible, to open that way.
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Spydie drop will open pretty much any Spyderco with inertia.

Manix 2 is easy to inertia shake open. Try holding it with the pivot facing the ground and snappinf your wrist downward. I find knives that are difficult to inertia shake open in forward grip are an absolute cinch in reverse grip.
 
Not to mention I am pretty sure for manix bblocks or benchmade axis locks they will just hold the lock open and flick the blade out.
 
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