Recommendation- Next Gun

[CutterMcGee]

Why not another M&P?

You had a Shield, you are used to the ergonomics. Can't beat the warranty and CS, IMO and US made stuff gives me that warm fuzzy feeling.

 

[fishface5]

Has anyone shot a cz and an EAA / Tangfoglio Witness Elite Match side by side? When I was looking into 10mm I read tons of great reviews of that specific model of EAA, design is almost identical to the cz.

Although I really do miss my hi power . . .

man now you guys have me thinking about getting another pistol!

 

[retired01]

CZ all the way,little trigger job and good aftermarket sights and you have a fantastic gun in either 9mm or 45.

 

[Charlie_K]

Has anyone shot a cz and an EAA / Tangfoglio Witness Elite Match side by side? When I was looking into 10mm I read tons of great reviews of that specific model of EAA, design is almost identical to the cz.

Although I really do miss my hi power . . .

man now you guys have me thinking about getting another pistol!

My only experience was a standard Tanfoglio model. I loved it, but I wound up selling it as part of a deal on a 1911 because spare magazines were about $40 at the time.

 

[fishface5]

Apparently the Elie Match versions are a major step up in quality for minimal $$. I had CZ 85 which was beautiful but the like the 2-tone on the eaa.

 

[Converge]

I've heard good things about that EAA 10mm. I was almost going to buy a rock island 10mm 1911 tactical, had one on layaway. 10mm is a cool round as long as you can shoot the REAL 10mm rounds and not the "long case 40 cal" shit.

 

[Wheeler80]

Looks like I need to get my hands on a CZ. Only problem is my wife shot a G19 and loved it so now I've got to get her one of those for our anniversary next month. Don't know if I should be irritated or happy.

 

[mellanman]

I've got the RIA 1911 in .45
always wanted a 1911 and the RIA was the affordable choice

I don't have any experience with the FNS or the Desert Eagle, but if you're looking for the style and design of a 1911 without having to get a second mortgage, the RIA is the way to go

 

[Converge]

Looks like I need to get my hands on a CZ. Only problem is my wife shot a G19 and loved it so now I've got to get her one of those for our anniversary next month. Don't know if I should be irritated or happy.

Well the Glock 19 is an amazing firearm. Extremely popular for good reason. I carry a Gen III G19. The reliability is well documented. Damn things are so simple and they always work. I've put countless rounds through mine and I've never had any type of issue with it that wasn't ammo related. Had some really shitty tula steel case ammo that had issues but like I said it had nothing to do with the gun itself. They're great firearms. Tons of aftermarket stuff, sights, lights, lasers, grips, etc. Magazines are available everywhere. They are surprisingly accurate as well. Pulled off some 2" five shot groups at 25 yards a few times, standing unsupported at an indoor range. That's pretty good for a stock pistol, at least for me. I've since put some night sights on mine. Glocks aren't the end all be all like some people proclaim but they sure as hell are quality tools, no doubt about that.

Mine with the talon grips. Highly recommend talon grips for you or your wife if you get the gun. You can get either rubber texture or that grippy sandpaper type texture, which is what I have. They're only $14 too, or around that.

 

[Wheeler80]

Well the Glock 19 is an amazing firearm. Extremely popular for good reason. I carry a Gen III G19. The reliability is well documented. Damn things are so simple and they always work. I've put countless rounds through mine and I've never had any type of issue with it that wasn't ammo related. Had some really shitty tula steel case ammo that had issues but like I said it had nothing to do with the gun itself. They're great firearms. Tons of aftermarket stuff, sights, lights, lasers, grips, etc. Magazines are available everywhere. They are surprisingly accurate as well. Pulled off some 2" five shot groups at 25 yards a few times, standing unsupported at an indoor range. That's pretty good for a stock pistol, at least for me. I've since put some night sights on mine. Glocks aren't the end all be all like some people proclaim but they sure as hell are quality tools, no doubt about that.

Mine with the talon grips. Highly recommend talon grips for you or your wife if you get the gun. You can get either rubber texture or that grippy sandpaper type texture, which is what I have. They're only $14 too, or around that.

Glock is pretty much my favorite mfg. Not the best at anything but pretty good at everything. She shot my 17 but didn't care for it. She loves her 42, never really thought she would like anything better until she shot the 19.

I'm actually pretty proud of her. She went from never having handled a handgun until three months ago to shooting a compact 9 mm pretty accurate at 7 yards. I was adamant she learned the 4 Rules when she first started. I went over them with her and made her practice so much I thought she was going to punch me in the dick, lol. I feel more safe around her than other people I've been around that have been shooting for 30 years or better.

 

[Converge]

Glock is pretty much my favorite mfg. Not the best at anything but pretty good at everything. She shot my 17 but didn't care for it. She loves her 42, never really thought she would like anything better until she shot the 19.

I'm actually pretty proud of her. She went from never having handled a handgun until three months ago to shooting a compact 9 mm pretty accurate at 7 yards. I was adamant she learned the 4 Rules when she first started. I went over them with her and made her practice so much I thought she was going to punch me in the dick, lol. I feel more safe around her than other people I've been around that have been shooting for 30 years or better.

That's really awesome man! I've been trying to get my girlfriend out to the range so she is capable with my handguns here at the house when I am out. She's been a little hesitant because she just isn't very interested I guess, but I'll definitely get her out eventually.

 

[druid189]

Has anyone shot a cz and an EAA / Tangfoglio Witness Elite Match side by side? When I was looking into 10mm I read tons of great reviews of that specific model of EAA, design is almost identical to the cz.

Although I really do miss my hi power . . .

man now you guys have me thinking about getting another pistol!

I used to have a Browning BDM...which for all intents and purposes, was a redesigned HiPower. DA or SA at the rotation of the lug on the slide. I wish I never sold it. I didn't like the sights though, was my only dislike about it.

Looks like I need to get my hands on a CZ. Only problem is my wife shot a G19 and loved it so now I've got to get her one of those for our anniversary next month. Don't know if I should be irritated or happy.

Be happy! A couple that shoots together, stays together

I've got the RIA 1911 in .45
always wanted a 1911 and the RIA was the affordable choice

I don't have any experience with the FNS or the Desert Eagle, but if you're looking for the style and design of a 1911 without having to get a second mortgage, the RIA is the way to go

I also like my 1911's a lot but I prefer Springfield Armory myself...This one's a Ruger SR1911

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Bought these because of their 'novelty'....I'm really not a fan...so they sit in the vault:

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[Converge]

Those desert Eagles are certainly some big guns. I'd personally go for a revolver if I wanted to shoot a big ass round like .44 mag or .454 but that's just me. They're certainly cool though

 

[Charlie_K]

I've often wanted a Desert Eagle, primarily for the cool factor rather than anything else. But .50 AE is too expensive, and I don't recall the presented ballistics being all that better than the .44 Magnum. And the Desert Eagle itself is awfully expensive in itself.

 

[druid189]

Those desert Eagles are certainly some big guns. I'd personally go for a revolver if I wanted to shoot a big ass round like .44 mag or .454 but that's just me. They're certainly cool though

Yes they are. These are in .357 and .44 Mag. They are hard to hold [grips are HUGE and I have glove size "Large" hands]. They are otherwise, fairly comfortable to shoot but they are certainly not my favorites. The guns themselves are freaking heavy...and finding a way to carry them IWB is all but impossible. Even on my pants belt holster, they tend to pull them down so a shoulder rig is almost mandatory.

I've often wanted a Desert Eagle, primarily for the cool factor rather than anything else. But .50 AE is too expensive, and I don't recall the presented ballistics being all that better than the .44 Magnum. And the Desert Eagle itself is awfully expensive in itself.

when looking at ballistics, the FPS on both are.....eh....sort of / kind of close. What you need to look at are ft lbs of muzzle energy. The .50 AE can have rounds that almost double that of the .44 Mag..

What does that mean? Well, "foot pounds" translates to "muzzle energy" so;

[from Wiki] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muzzle_energy


Muzzle energy is the kinetic energy of a bullet as it is expelled from the muzzle of a firearm. It is often used as a rough indication of the destructive potential of a given firearm or load. The heavier the bullet and especially the faster it moves, the higher its muzzle energy and the more damage it will do.

The general formula for the kinetic energy is



where

v is the velocity of the bullet
m is the mass of the bullet.


Also from the Wiki article:

Average muzzle energies for common pistol cartridges

Cartridge..............................Muzzle energy
............................................ft-lbf...................joules

.44 Mag................................1,000..................1,400
.50AE...................................1,500..................2,000



In some rounds, the 50 AE can have the same muzzle energy at 100 yards that the .44 Mag has at the muzzle. Theoretically speaking, that means the .50AE will do the same damage at 100 yards that a .44 does at the muzzle.

Obviously, barrel lengths, bullet grain weights, humidity, etc etc are all factors on these numbers but you get the idea.

Ballistics charts for the .44 Mag:
http://www.ballistics101.com/44_magnum.php

.50 AE
http://www.ballistics101.com/50_ae.php

 

[Humppa]

I would recommend a Sig Sauer P210, made in Eckernförde Germany. It is a great pistol and a highly recommended gun here in Germany for shooting targets at 25 metres distances. No real Hi-Cap but a rather accurate pistol.

It is rather expensive but I´ve shot it sometimes and it is highly accurate.

Tangfolio Italy has also wonderful pistols. But I have no experience with that ones.

 

[Wheeler80]

I would recommend a Sig Sauer P210, made in Eckernförde Germany. It is a great pistol and a highly recommended gun here in Germany for shooting targets at 25 metres distances. No real Hi-Cap but a rather accurate pistol.

It is rather expensive but I´ve shot it sometimes and it is highly accurate.

Tangfolio Italy has also wonderful pistols. But I have no experience with that ones.

Sweet looking gun but a little out of my price range.

 

[Captain O]

I own an EAA Witness in 10mm auto, and like it a lot! It shoots well, and accurately.

Captain O

 

[druid189]

I own an in EAA Witness in 10mm auto, and like it a lot! It shoots well, and accurately.

Captain O

I agree the 10mm Auto is a fine weapon and excellent round - but personally, I think it's a bit much for a new/novice shooter to learn off the bat. It's a heavy round...for all intents and purposes, a ".40 W&W ubermagnum" round. The .40 S&W is a "snappy" round on its own and has characteristics unlike the 9mm and .45 Autos. The 10mm is a beefed up version of the .40 .

There's a lot of power in that round and may not be easily managed by new shooters. That is not to say they cannot or should not learn to shoot it.....they should just be mindful that it's not a 'plinker' by any standard.

 

[Wheeler80]

I agree the 10mm Auto is a fine weapon and excellent round - but personally, I think it's a bit much for a new/novice shooter to learn off the bat. It's a heavy round...for all intents and purposes, a ".40 W&W ubermagnum" round. The .40 S&W is a "snappy" round on its own and has characteristics unlike the 9mm and .45 Autos. The 10mm is a beefed up version of the .40 .

There's a lot of power in that round and may not be easily managed by new shooters. That is not to say they cannot or should not learn to shoot it.....they should just be mindful that it's not a 'plinker' by any standard.

Who's a novice shooter?