Replacement ZT 0801.. lock bar still moving over to the right 100%

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I searched the forum to read some of your previous threads, and you seem to have some rotten luck with Kai products. I'm not saying the company is perfect or that you're a liar, it's just obvious that their products are not making you happy. I think the best thing for you would be to sell that 0801 and get something else from some other maker that you like (I read about your issues with Benchmade, too).
 
If I were KAI I would just return the same knife to you just to F with you because you are such a .. :stupid:

Hmmmmmm .... now that I think about it. :eek:
 
Fanglekai said:
A lockbar that slides all the way over is a design flaw. It doesn't matter who says it if what is said is true. It's unacceptable in a $180+ knife.
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But not all of the 0801's lock bar can be pushed to travel all the way over so is it still a design flaw?
 
Here is mine after a good HARD push. I'd call it about perfect.

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Can we get a pic of yours at 100%?
 
2 shot said:
But not all of the 0801's lock bar can be pushed to travel all the way over so is it still a design flaw?
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A design flaw, in every case I can come up with, impedes the function of that thing in some way. I fail to see how this impedes the function of this knife.
 
2 shot said:
But not all of the 0801's lock bar can be pushed to travel all the way over so is it still a design flaw?
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Either a flaw in design or execution. Neither is acceptable at this price point.

oharal said:
A design flaw, in every case I can come up with, impedes the function of that thing in some way. I fail to see how this impedes the function of this knife.
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You believe that the lockbar sliding all the way over is not a flaw and also acceptable in a $180+ knife?
 
I know it's not the ZT in question but for example's sake, on my large Sebenza 21 it locks up @ 50% but I can't move the lockbar any further in a grip position no matter how hard I squeeze. Now if I take both my thumbs and push hard I can push the lockbar all the way over...but disengage it, reopen and it's still @ 50%.
 
Fanglekai said:
You believe that the lockbar sliding all the way over is not a flaw and also acceptable in a $180+ knife?
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I honestly do not see the problem. The purpose of the lock is to keep the knife from folding closed in use. If you grabbed the knife and that made the lock slide open, THAT would be a design flaw. This just makes it lock more...I can't see where you're trying to go with this.
 
So many other people have had next to no issues with their 801, so I would just say you have rotten luck. I can feel you on that. I have had to replace my phone over 30 times for various major hardware or software issues. It seems the same few people find all of the cracks in the QC.

I would call Kershaw and tell them (politely, it isn't the person answering the phones fault) that this is a bit of a snafu. I just had to deal with Kershaw warranty twice in a row with my 550, and they acknowledged their screw up and fixed the situation post haste. If you can talk to a manager you should be just fine in a few weeks.
 
I believe the 'flaw' is not so much a current flaw but potentially a future flaw depending on how much the lockbar wears. I prefer somewhere in the 25%-75% range. I've seen a lot of hinderers with maybe 5-10% lockup? That's too little for my comfort zone no matter what they say. If you're all the way over then there's no room for wear - which could potentially be a problem. HOWEVER the OP says he has to squeeze it to move it over so...not sure.
 
Any lock can be made to fail with enough force applied. Question is why would you apply that force just to make the lock fail. Some may only take 10lbs to fail others may take 100lbs, but I guarantee all will fail with enough force. I mean do you just sit there trying to make the lock fail and hoping it doesnt, but when it does it is suddenly a flaw in the knife.
 
It's not going to fail, if it can be pushed over 100 percent. Only a thin liner lock that could go well past the blade tang could allow that. I've seen some used frame locks do this exact same thing but they wouldn't fail and allow the blade to close in use.
 
Before I began working on my own cars, I let Firestone Autocare replace a belt in my BMW. I drove 20 miles before my battery was dead. After coughing up $250 for a new battery and returning to Firestone, they replaced the belt, and apologized. I drove away watching the charge on my new battery drop (there is a setting in the computer for this purpose), and took it to my BMW guy. Firestone had installed the alternator belt upside down both times, causing the first battery to hose itself. After contacting the Firestone corporate office, they cut me a check for the new battery, and the BMW shop repair fees. They handled the situation well, but I'll be damned if I ever take my vehicles to them again for anything but tires.

Moral of the story: If KAI isn't pleasing you, cut your losses, sell the dang thing, and buy a knife that makes you happy. I'm not a fan of KAI, but at this point, they've done right in my book. Move on to bigger and better things.
 
Cypress said:
Before I began working on my own cars, I let Firestone Autocare replace a belt in my BMW. I drove 20 miles before my battery was dead. After coughing up $250 for a new battery and returning to Firestone, they replaced the belt, and apologized. I drove away watching the charge on my new battery drop (there is a setting in the computer for this purpose), and took it to my BMW guy. Firestone had installed the alternator belt upside down both times, causing the first battery to hose itself. After contacting the Firestone corporate office, they cut me a check for the new battery, and the BMW shop repair fees. They handled the situation well, but I'll be damned if I ever take my vehicles to them again for anything but tires.

Moral of the story: If KAI isn't pleasing you, cut your losses, sell the dang thing, and buy a knife that makes you happy. I'm not a fan of KAI, but at this point, they've done right in my book. Move on to bigger and better things.
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Exactly. I've spoken to a lot of people who have 0801's. Those that I've spoken to, do not indicate any lock bar movement. At least the lock bar is slipping to the right side, not the left. So yeah, it will probably not fail if used hard.

I'm just trying to figure out why the majority of 0801's have no lock bar movement, nor other models with steel inserts. Yet, I keep coming across an 0801 with easy to apply lock-bar movement.

KAI is pleasing me. I'd be happy to note that prior to sending my 0801 into repair, I put a nice edge on the blade, as I did not initially plan on returning the knife. Someone in warranty took note of this and put a nice polished edge on my replacement 0801. That tells me they're putting some thought into each warranty repair.

ZT seems to just be getting better in better in terms of design. While my new 0801 isn't hard to unlock --when the lock bar slides over to the right under hard use, there still seems to be some deviation in tolerances on their models.

If only Chris Reeve produced a flipper..
 
jill jackson said:
It's not going to fail, if it can be pushed over 100 percent. Only a thin liner lock that could go well past the blade tang could allow that. I've seen some used frame locks do this exact same thing but they wouldn't fail and allow the blade to close in use.
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You're right about that. If you've seen ApostleP's youtube review on the Strider, the lock-bar will actually move to the left with pressure applied to the blade. This is not good. Also, this is a new Strider with the *improved* lock geometry. Perhaps the knife in his review was a one off, or being new, just needed some time for the lock bar to wear. I don't know.
 
daveb068 said:
Any lock can be made to fail with enough force applied. Question is why would you apply that force just to make the lock fail. Some may only take 10lbs to fail others may take 100lbs, but I guarantee all will fail with enough force. I mean do you just sit there trying to make the lock fail and hoping it doesnt, but when it does it is suddenly a flaw in the knife.
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All you have to do is simply grip the knife firmly for the lock bar to start moving all of the way over to the right. You don't have to kill yourself trying to move the lock-bar over. The two 0801's that I've checked out exhibit this same behavior.
 
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