Rick Hinderer sent Cease and Desist to Youtuber for saying the steel was soft in his knife?

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Paratrooper06 said:
Too bad they’re too dense to see that Hinderer is only a few steps above garage level, as is Emerson and others… but these people circle the wagons like they’re taking on Wal-Mart or Amazon.
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This. RHK is a small business concern, same as many others who are well thought of in this industry. No one here knows the financial state of RHK, least of all me, but something tells me Rick Hinderer isn't being driven to work by a private driver in a Rolls Royce.

So, to have some IG garage knife modder guy come in and try to turn the knife community at large against them, that's a measurable, tangible effect. Rather like I expect RHK's legal representation will be able to prove if this goes to court.
 
Quiet said:
LOL I just looked it up. Googlefu shows that RHK has like ten people working there. Oh yeah, that's the very definition of "Giant Evil Megacorporation". They're definitely the bad guys in this sordid fiasco for wanting to defend their product and income stream.
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Hell with the superior hardness testing skills of TK, it’s only a matter of time before Benchmade and Spyderco extend him a job offer. No better way into the hearts of knife makers than slandering one of their most beloved members with crappy amateurish data.
 
615K In sales?
That's about 1000 knives (or less) per year.
20 knives per week...
 
Paratrooper06 said:
Hell with the superior hardness testing skills of TK, it’s only a matter of time before Benchmade and Spyderco extend him a job offer. No better way into the hearts of knife makers than slandering one of their most beloved members with crappy amateurish data.
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Maybe he'd at least have access to actually trained folks with correctly calibrated equipment that way, can't imagine who he'd call out next.

Hey Brian! When you get a chance, maybe call out Busse Combat, their edges sure could stand to be a lot thinner, amirite? After all, being able to slice phone book paper is the only important metric in a knife that might be used for a lot of different things. Right?

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Test protocols and certifications are a thing in most every industry I have been involved, with ASTM Standards being common amongst most.

Curious as to all those who have replied related to how simple and accurate HRC testing is or can be (or not).

How many have read and understand ASTM E18?
How many have read and understand indirect verification requirements covered in Test Method E110 ?
Can describe the parameters of the various indenters and the support anvil, the frequency of both calibration and verification tests (how many tests during each verification process, where measured values must fall within the tolerance stated on block and the certificate), the equipment's environmental factor parameters (as relates to working in a residential garage ...), life cycle of test blocks and/or coupons.

It is not simply use a matter of using a certified, calibrated tool to achieve a reading value.
 
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I have had many Hinderers over the years… they come and go.. but I associate the brand with “hard use” and “dependable”. I mean, if you want to stake your life on a knife, Hinderer is a good choice. Currently I’m down to a Firetac because I simply love that knife design.
 
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Paratrooper06 said:
I have had many Hinderers over the years… they come and go.. but I associate the brand with “hard use” and “dependable”. I mean, if you want to stake your life on a knife, Hinderer is a good choice. Currently I’m down to a Firetac because I simply love that knife design.
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I don't own a single Hinderer, nor have I ever and I don't really want one (okay, the Project X might inspire a bit of lust), but I have a difficult time thinking that he's in the wrong for taking a very simple legal step to protect his business and reputation from the words of a competitor.
 
Insipid Moniker said:
I don't own a single Hinderer, nor have I ever and I don't really want one (okay, the Project X might inspire a bit of lust), but I have a difficult time thinking that he's in the wrong for taking a very simple legal step to protect his business and reputation from the words of a competitor.
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Absolutely. Lies and incomplete/unprofessional opinions can spread like wildfire on social media. Why take the chance? I think TK showed his true colors when he doubled-down and started a GoFundMe over something so many people claim should be trivial enough to ignore. Well, we see TK intends to bring Hinderer down… his motives are revealed.
 
Spey said:
Test protocols and certifications are a thing in most every industry I have been involved.

Curious as to all those who have replied related to how simple and accurate HRC testing is or can be (or not).

How many have read and understand ASTM E18?
How many have read and understand indirect verification requirements covered in Test Method E110 ?
Can describe the parameters of the various indenters and the support anvil, the frequency of both calibration and verification tests (how many tests during each verification process, where measured values must fall within the tolerance stated on block and the certificate), the equipment's environmental factor parameters (as relates to working in a residential garage ...), life cycle of test blocks and/or coupons.

It is not simply use a matter of using a certified, calibrated tool to achieve a reading value.
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"E110" is for portable hardness testers
ASTM E110-14

They don't share the table of requirements but reference them in Annex A1.1.2 "shall be within tolerances given in E18 for rockwell hardness testers."

The requirements for indirect verification procedures are in ASTM E18-20, A1.4, Table A1.3.
 
3D Anvil said:
Sounds like gobbledygook. Give me a concrete example of what you're talking about.
No it won't. I mean, unless you're saying that the blade will chip out? But in that case, the softer blade will roll, so....
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Well, if it sounds like gobbledygook to you:

1. Congratulations ! There is a cure for this condition !
It’s called “education”. They are plenty of resources you can read and understand simple dependency.

2. You don’t understand but you have opinion ? At 63 HRC more acute angle than optimal for particular steel,
most likely will not roll, but same angle and steel at 65 HRC will most likely chip therefore not retain working edge longer, even with higher HRC .

Il be honest with you - looking at how you change your statements, I don’t really like to continue this conversation,
it was entertaining to one point, now it’s just annoying.
‘If you don’t understand what I’m talking about, that’s fine, just go read Larrin or BBB, they have good explanations on how cutting performance depends on HRC, type of steel and angles. They are much better than giggling dudes,
cutting ropes IMO.
 
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