Bad Rip off by KEN LEUNG aka “Shadymethods”

[BD_01]

Regardless of how this thing started, IMO the fact that OP disassembled the knife changes the dynamic. “You open it, you own it” is hard to ignore, even under complex circumstances. As I read it, Shady is willing to assume all liability for a return to the maker. I don’t see what the OP has to loose by accepting the offer.

[...]I want the maker to take a look at it. Hell, I'll even set the thing up since I still have his contact info from last time. If Chris Martin really does run off to Mexico or something with the Skinwalker, I'll refund him. If he finds his claims to be true and not because he disassembled it, I'll refund him. If he finds everything within spec, it's his. That way, it's out of our hands and with an unbiased 3rd party. Hta_evo8, I have nothing to hide. Can you say the same?

 

[Gastonknife]

I guess I'm done here then. Hta-evo8 has already made his choice by leaving feedback. He is a dishonest coward who is unwilling to do anything on his end to either work with me or back up his claims. He wants to return a knife that he claims is a "defective unit". If it was so clearly defective, he would have no fears sending it to the maker. I was willing to accept all the risk involved and the maker could tell in an instant if it was indeed defective. He avoided this because he already knew what Chris would say.

I don't think I'm wrong to want to have the maker inspect a knife that the buyer disassembled. I don't know what he's done to it in the 6 weeks he waited. Everyone agrees that taking tools to the knife means that it's his. I was willing to work with him regardless. I also don't think it's wrong for me to want to be fair to myself as well as to the buyer. If I buy a knife I don't like, I re-sell it myself. I don't try to force a refund. There was nothing wrong with that knife when I mailed it. If you would have done something differently, feel free to brag about it more here. I'll keep trying to have fair deals with reasonable people. I have nothing more to add to this thread.

Wow. OP is not dishonest or a coward. You sent him a knife that had some issues. Most people here are able to recognize that. You had to know that it was that way.
He immediately told you the issue and you said - prove it. He has to Prove to you? He described the problem and sent you pics. Not good enough for you. You did nothing to stand behind your sale.
You kept badgering him for more "proof". So that more or less led to him removing the pin to offer you more proof that you continued to insist on. Your only offer to make it right was to send it to a maker who is known across the board as a near scammer and has dozens of horror stories. Oh yeah, you said you would make it right if Chris pulled another boner. Why would anyone believe you at this stage. You already sent the guy a knife with an issue and refused to do the right thing afterward. That's two strikes against you.
You got negative FB and deservedly so.
Your stance on all of this has led to your rep here taking some big hits from many members and exposed some of your shady sales posting actions. At best a hard head; at worse a person who past off a bad knife to a new buyer here. Those are what everyone here will have to decide on their own. And that is all on you.
Yup Your user name fits and I will certainly never do business with you. It's not personal in anyway, but just business.

 

[HappyDaddy]

Regardless of how this thing started, IMO the fact that OP disassembled the knife changes the dynamic. “You open it, you own it” is hard to ignore, even under complex circumstances. As I read it, Shady is willing to assume all liability for a return to the maker. I don’t see what the OP has to loose by accepting the offer.

The problem with this ^^ is that the OP didn't disassemble the knife until long after the seller had made it clear that he wasn't interested in reversing the deal. This one isn't rocket surgery in my view. OP didn't believe the knife was "as described" and immediately communicated that to the seller. I liken this to a case where a knife is described as LNIB and arrives with a little scratch on the blade. Maybe it came like that from the factory, maybe the seller didn't notice it. Maybe the seller doesn't think it's a big deal (but the buyer does). Regardless, the appropriate thing to do is to reverse the deal. The assertion that "you take it apart, it's yours" is ludicrous without context.

 

[neffarious]

I guess I'm done here then. Hta-evo8 has already made his choice by leaving feedback. He is a dishonest coward who is unwilling to do anything on his end to either work with me or back up his claims. He wants to return a knife that he claims is a "defective unit". If it was so clearly defective, he would have no fears sending it to the maker. I was willing to accept all the risk involved and the maker could tell in an instant if it was indeed defective. He avoided this because he already knew what Chris would say.

I don't think I'm wrong to want to have the maker inspect a knife that the buyer disassembled. I don't know what he's done to it in the 6 weeks he waited. Everyone agrees that taking tools to the knife means that it's his. I was willing to work with him regardless. I also don't think it's wrong for me to want to be fair to myself as well as to the buyer. If I buy a knife I don't like, I re-sell it myself. I don't try to force a refund. There was nothing wrong with that knife when I mailed it. If you would have done something differently, feel free to brag about it more here. I'll keep trying to have fair deals with reasonable people. I have nothing more to add to this thread.

And with that you just said bye bye to your reputation as well as that 200+ itrader rating. There may be a few that still side with you, but anyone who does a search on your user name will come across this. They will also see the stubborn behavior and drama. Most, as proven by the comments here, will say to themselves, "it's just not worth it. Even with G&S it's a royal pain." Your offer to send to maker to make him right has zero believably based on past behavior. I have no skin in this game, just calling it like I see it after reading the entire thread.

 

[Peter Hartwig]

I guess I'm done here then. Hta-evo8 has already made his choice by leaving feedback. He is a dishonest coward who is unwilling to do anything on his end to either work with me or back up his claims. He wants to return a knife that he claims is a "defective unit". If it was so clearly defective, he would have no fears sending it to the maker. I was willing to accept all the risk involved and the maker could tell in an instant if it was indeed defective. He avoided this because he already knew what Chris would say.

Normally I would agree that sending it to the maker is the answer, but this maker isn't normal. He has some ongoing problems and I can see the OP not wanting to go from one mess to another. You offered to cover the knife if it wasn't returned by the maker, but when is that decided-6 mo. a year, 2 years. Hopefully you can see the problem.

You user name catches the eye in the positive GB&U threads posted on you. I just hate to see you letting this one transaction ruin all your good ones. It just isn't worth it IMO. Emotion may say stand firm, but common sense says settle and move on.
but it's your call.

 

[lieferung]

Shady look at it this way, you are a dealer in luxury goods (not trying to be derogatory or accused you of avoiding the membership, but let's be honest), some rather high end knives. Such dealers usually consider their reputation and their clientele to be of the utmost importance. They do not let ego get in the way of business, OP had a problem and communicated it swiftly. As a high end knife dealer your first action should've been to reverse the trade, because as a dealer with stellar rep you want to not only protect that but also please the customer and besides you can always resell the knife. Why you didn't do that is what is disturbing... if it was not for ego, perhaps it was because you knew the knife was bad. Only you know for sure.

I would highly suggest you once again put your pride aside and make OP right. Regardless of those who have spoken against you, getting that big ole BAD off your name would most likely save your rep.

 

[PirateSeulb]

While I can't say that @ShadyMethods made no wrongs I do think this matter seems over and we can all move along on it. Hta_evo8 has left negative feedback that would indicate he is done and no further resolution is needed between the two. I have already made my remarks on what I see in this mess. I do not see anything more for @ShadyMethods to do and Hta_evo8 can work with the maker or with @BellaBlades to see about getting the knife fixed to his/her satisfaction or try to unload the knife and disclose the issue he/she has had with it.

 

[stonesell]

I guess I'm done here then. Hta-evo8 has already made his choice by leaving feedback. He is a dishonest coward who is unwilling to do anything on his end to either work with me or back up his claims. He wants to return a knife that he claims is a "defective unit". If it was so clearly defective, he would have no fears sending it to the maker. I was willing to accept all the risk involved and the maker could tell in an instant if it was indeed defective. He avoided this because he already knew what Chris would say.

I don't think I'm wrong to want to have the maker inspect a knife that the buyer disassembled. I don't know what he's done to it in the 6 weeks he waited. Everyone agrees that taking tools to the knife means that it's his. I was willing to work with him regardless. I also don't think it's wrong for me to want to be fair to myself as well as to the buyer. If I buy a knife I don't like, I re-sell it myself. I don't try to force a refund. There was nothing wrong with that knife when I mailed it. If you would have done something differently, feel free to brag about it more here. I'll keep trying to have fair deals with reasonable people. I have nothing more to add to this thread.

Calling the OP a “Dishonest Coward”, is you just being a “Bully”, since you could not totally control the situation, and get your own way.
Learn the art of “compromise”, mister.

 

[JohnWE]

I guess I'm done here then...

One of the few completely truthful things about this entire episode.

 

[JohnWE]

Regardless of how this thing started, IMO the fact that OP disassembled the knife changes the dynamic. “You open it, you own it” is hard to ignore, even under complex circumstances. As I read it, Shady is willing to assume all liability for a return to the maker. I don’t see what the OP has to loose by accepting the offer.

The buyer only disassembled the knife after the seller refused to make good on the deal.

How exactly does the seller assume all liability for returning the knife to a 3rd party? Given his refusal to deal with the seller directly, given his responses to the buyers complaint made on the day he received the knife and his attempts to bully and dismiss the concerns of the buyer instead of simply issuing a refund why in the world would anyone assume that he'd come through on his offer to "assume liability" when he's done everything in his power to avoid doing so so far?

I sell you something, you find out it's defective and I tell you I'll assume responsibility for you returning if the manufacturer? What does this even mean? If it's lost in the mail am I going to pay you for it? If the manufacturer flakes out and fails to return it, am I going to pay you for it? What about the time and expense the buyer goes through to send the knife and have it returned? Who assumes liability for that? The offer is a bad faith effort to put the seller off and make them jump through more hoops in order to get what he originally paid for.

Another would be dealer wants to have his knives and sell them too...off to the ignore list he goes.

 

[Popsickle]

I guess I'm done here then. Hta-evo8 has already made his choice by leaving feedback. He is a dishonest coward who is unwilling to do anything on his end to either work with me or back up his claims. He wants to return a knife that he claims is a "defective unit". If it was so clearly defective, he would have no fears sending it to the maker. I was willing to accept all the risk involved and the maker could tell in an instant if it was indeed defective. He avoided this because he already knew what Chris would say.

I don't think I'm wrong to want to have the maker inspect a knife that the buyer disassembled. I don't know what he's done to it in the 6 weeks he waited. Everyone agrees that taking tools to the knife means that it's his. I was willing to work with him regardless. I also don't think it's wrong for me to want to be fair to myself as well as to the buyer. If I buy a knife I don't like, I re-sell it myself. I don't try to force a refund. There was nothing wrong with that knife when I mailed it. If you would have done something differently, feel free to brag about it more here. I'll keep trying to have fair deals with reasonable people. I have nothing more to add to this thread.

If you would have sent a refund to begin with..... he never would have taken thto pivot out. That was done in order to prove the knife indeed had issue(months after he made it clear he wasn’t happy). So to be clear.... if you sell someone else a knife and they consider it to be defective..... your going to ask them to send it to the maker in order to have a refund issued? That is extremely unreasonable. Furthermore.... because he dinged you with negative feedback on something that has dragged out MONTHS, your all of the sudden out because your feelings are hurt? You made the wrong decision from the moment he emailed you after receiving the knife.

 

[Popsickle]

If @ShadyMethods put a "Under New Management" sign, over his avatar, do you guys think it would help?

"It's no longer me, and I won't be doing anymore shady deals, I PROMISE!"

He’s earned his name as far as I’m concerned

 

[neffarious]

@ShadyMethods might as well get a new name as this one is toast. Wait, I think that is against the rules, so never mind to that. He had a good run, and now it's over. It could have been different. You may have felt a slight sting. That's pride ****ing with you. **** pride. Pride only hurts, it never helps.

 

[Hta_evo8]

I've had knives that had detents that didn't seat properly and were weak, it sometimes happens. Sometimes you can play with the tolerances and get it to seat fully, but I have doubts that the knife went through somebody else's hands and there are two completely different opinions on the detent. Obviously it can't be both light and nonexistent. Somebody is clearly lying here.

You're absolutely right, one of us is lying.
There is a huge difference between having a weak detent and not having any at all.
You can't really say it has a weak detent when the detent ball is NOT seated on the blade
You all has to decide for yourself based on all the info presented

 

[KELAMA]

He is a dishonest coward who is unwilling to do anything on his end to either work with me or back up his claims.

I'll keep trying to have fair deals with reasonable people.

^ Your actions here (or lack thereof), Ken Leung, are pathetic!

FWIW: the Wolf wouldn't be able to clean up the mess you've made of your reputation. You clearly picked an apropos user name, when you joined BF's!

@ShadyMethods might as well get a new name as this one is toast. Wait, I think that is against the rules, so never mind to that. He had a good run, and now it's over. It could have been different. You may have felt a slight sting. That's pride ****ing with you. **** pride. Pride only hurts, it never helps.[/QUOTE]

^^^.... Cause a year from now when KEN LEUNG aka “Shadymethods” is kicking it over on Reddit....He's going to say to himself: "Neffarious was right!"

 

[bhyde]

It's pretty clear that nobody is going to fix anything. First, it was a gift exchange with some caveats..Paypal can't help you, so you left negative feedback.
The seller isn't inclined to fix or refund the gift- No take backsies!!!- I guess, a gift is a gift.
One has a knife with a bad detent, the other has a damaged rep and neither is willing to work it out. It's come to an impasse.

There was another thread where I stated that the mod staff is less likely to help you with your choice in taking part in a gift exchange..AKA, Paypal friends and family. Here's the reason why folks.

Unless one or both parties agree to work this out, I don't see the point of continuing this thread..
If one or both decide that there is a positive value in reopening this cluster,..contact one of the mods to open it back up..Otherwise, going to lock this one up.

 

[Hta_evo8]

I guess I'm done here then. Hta-evo8 has already made his choice by leaving feedback. He is a dishonest coward who is unwilling to do anything on his end to either work with me or back up his claims. He wants to return a knife that he claims is a "defective unit". If it was so clearly defective, he would have no fears sending it to the maker. I was willing to accept all the risk involved and the maker could tell in an instant if it was indeed defective. He avoided this because he already knew what Chris would say.

I don't think I'm wrong to want to have the maker inspect a knife that the buyer disassembled. I don't know what he's done to it in the 6 weeks he waited. Everyone agrees that taking tools to the knife means that it's his. I was willing to work with him regardless. I also don't think it's wrong for me to want to be fair to myself as well as to the buyer. If I buy a knife I don't like, I re-sell it myself. I don't try to force a refund. There was nothing wrong with that knife when I mailed it. If you would have done something differently, feel free to brag about it more here. I'll keep trying to have fair deals with reasonable people. I have nothing more to add to this thread.

I'm a coward, I'm afraid I'll play right into your hand again.
When I pulled the pivot out, I know that's exactly what you want me to do but I have no choice. Now that I do, I'll have to graciously decline your most generous offer.
And the " 6 weeks" you keep repeating to hopefully confused people that don't go through the whole thread,
That's your grace period to reconsider and make amends

To clarify the timeline, which I've been posting more than once in this thread

2/16/18 I paid for the knife
2/24/18 I received the knife, “Shadymethods” was late in shipping it out to me
The same day 2/24/18 within an hour of receiving the knife, I email him telling him the knife is not functioning properly
We exchange emails back and forth, at the end of that day I ask for a
REFUND. So refund was asked for on the same day I received the knife.
2/26/18 was my last call for a refund
2/27/18 was his last email asking for proof
2/28/18 I obliged, sending him the 2 photos
3/2/18 I resend those Picts 2more times, since I’m not getting any answer back
4/10/18 I took the pivot out

You can verify them against the screenshots of my emails on page 6

Disprove that timeline don't just ignore it.

 

[bhyde]

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Just because this software allows you to post as being the OP after it's closed by a mod, does not mean you should go ahead and post.
I closed this thread for a reason, so go ahead and re-read the post previous to yours.