Bad Rip off by KEN LEUNG aka “Shadymethods”

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knarfeng said:
The mods have looked at this Shady Methods' sales threads several times checking for early reposts. We found one last November and issued a warning at that time. Aside from that, we have not found any reposts shy of the 14-day standard.
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Here’s an example. Same knife, the Jim Burke Auto Runt posted on Friday and then again this morning (Sunday).

Friday:
https://www.bladeforums.com/threads...totype-jim-burke-auto-runt-prototype.1571020/

Sunday:
https://www.bladeforums.com/threads...n-turpin-insight-warren-thomas-chaos.1571530/

Here’s another:

The EOS Squid. Two posting in just a few days.

Wednesday:
https://www.bladeforums.com/threads...ull-xm-18-3-5-fatty-slicer-eos-squid.1570389/

Saturday:
https://www.bladeforums.com/threads...razorback-eos-squid-strider-sng-lego.1571257/



Here’s the rule in the exchange:

“You must wait 14 days (2 week rule) to relist an item for the second time. Once you list an item for sale, that item cannot appear for a second time in a sales thread until 2 weeks have passed from the date of the original thread.”
 
Jsega51 said:
Here’s an example. Same knife, the Jim Burke Auto Runt posted on Friday and then again this morning (Sunday).

Friday:
https://www.bladeforums.com/threads...totype-jim-burke-auto-runt-prototype.1571020/

Sunday:
https://www.bladeforums.com/threads...n-turpin-insight-warren-thomas-chaos.1571530/

Here’s another:

The EOS Squid. Two posting in just a few days.

Wednesday:
https://www.bladeforums.com/threads...ull-xm-18-3-5-fatty-slicer-eos-squid.1570389/

Saturday:
https://www.bladeforums.com/threads...razorback-eos-squid-strider-sng-lego.1571257/



Here’s the rule in the exchange:

“You must wait 14 days (2 week rule) to relist an item for the second time. Once you list an item for sale, that item cannot appear for a second time in a sales thread until 2 weeks have passed from the date of the original thread.”
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Good catch. That has got to be deliberate.
 
Although the posts are in different exchange forums, the 14-day repost rule applies across the exchanges.
Once a knife is listed for sale in one of the exchanges. It cannot be listed again until the 14-day period is up.

I have asked ShadyMethods to clean up his sales threads.
 
Jsega51 said:
Here’s an example. Same knife, the Jim Burke Auto Runt posted on Friday and then again this morning (Sunday).

Friday:
https://www.bladeforums.com/threads...totype-jim-burke-auto-runt-prototype.1571020/

Sunday:
https://www.bladeforums.com/threads...n-turpin-insight-warren-thomas-chaos.1571530/

Here’s another:

The EOS Squid. Two posting in just a few days.

Wednesday:
https://www.bladeforums.com/threads...ull-xm-18-3-5-fatty-slicer-eos-squid.1570389/

Saturday:
https://www.bladeforums.com/threads...razorback-eos-squid-strider-sng-lego.1571257/



Here’s the rule in the exchange:

“You must wait 14 days (2 week rule) to relist an item for the second time. Once you list an item for sale, that item cannot appear for a second time in a sales thread until 2 weeks have passed from the date of the original thread.”
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I thought i was the only person who noticed:D
 
tyyreaun said:
This. I know people mentioned not to send the knife in since the maker has reputational issues. If Shady is willing to take on the risk (e.g., he issues a refund if the knife isn't returned to either party within 90 days), that should resolve the issue.
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What risk is Shady taking? He might eventually have to do what he should have done immediately? Meanwhile the buyer is supposed to just wait 90 days over a knife that wasn't right to them in the first 5 minutes? With no money or knife? I wouldn't agree to that, Shady can do that himself after refunding the buyer. IMHO Shady should have just refunded the guy like in the rules and none of this would be happening. What's good for Shady isn't necessarily good for the buyer..
 
OilMan said:
What risk is Shady taking? He might eventually have to do what he should have done immediately? Meanwhile the buyer is supposed to just wait 90 days over a knife that wasn't right to them in the first 5 minutes? With no money or knife? I wouldn't agree to that, Shady can do that himself after refunding the buyer. IMHO Shady should have just refunded the guy like in the rules and none of this would be happening. What's good for Shady isn't necessarily good for the buyer..
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All of this, and also the fact that Chris from Phantom has a nightmare thread here in GB&U... OP and Shady working something out seems like it would be the best solution for both of them, opposed to both being out of a knife.
 
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Arguing an unpopular position here on the GBU is like swatting at a hornet’s nest with your hands. I really think that moving quickly to solve this issue, is still the best way to go. Dragging it out for 90 more days doesn’t make a lot of sense.
 
I have, I think, remained silent watching this whole mess roll down hill really. I will say from what I can see and recall of this thread and the two parties actions both have made plenty of their own mistakes. I have seen evidence of untimely communications from one or both parties. I have seen from the provided evidence a strong indication of a fault in the knifes detent that should have been evident to both parties assuming it existed prior to shipping. I do think at this point OPs best course of action is to take BellaBlades BellaBlades offer to examine and possibly repair the knife. This is considering the apparent horror in dealing with the maker and the complicated and strenuous relationship here between buyer and seller. This would also seem most likely scenario to lead the OP to having a satisfactory knife with possibly the timeliest resolution. The only other optimal solution I can see here is for OP to return the knife to the seller for a full refund however I don't recall any clear indication that it is currently an option.
 
Still have not heard back yet but my offer still stands and I will do my best to fix the knife if I hear back in a timely fashion. Unless this is turning into a situation that I should avoid?
 
ShadyMethods said:
I didn't think my offer was that hard to understand. Let me put it in a way that's easier for you: Is that a yes or a no?

One word is all it takes.

You don't get to run my name through the mud without recourse. And, I'm not going to let you put my reputation and my word on the line for fun. You don't get to just get off scot free from this. I worked hard to build a reputation here. I've been trying to be calm for the last few days and we're way past that point now. I've seen enough fake claims and baseless insults to make my blood boil. If you're going to send it somewhere, why not the maker himself?

So I'll ask again, are you willing to settle this?


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Shady, contrary to what you may think - many of the folks who you are mad at have just been trying to help you. Truthfully, you are the one who put yourself in this situation and you are not doing your reputation any favors by clinging to things only the way that you see them. It's pretty obvious to most that the knife has some issues. It is up to the seller to describe things like a weak or no detent. No way the buyer could ever know that until he had the knife. He immediately reported the problem to you. You should have just given him the refund. By now you are hopefully beginning to realize that error. You kept asking him to prove things you already should have known about the knife; and in fact it seems that you did - at least from what you have said yourself.
It can't really be a money thing, because you apparently have a great deal of discretionary income/time to devote to buying and selling literally dozens of knives on a continual basis.

Initially, I thought the OP was quite a bit harsh with how he worded the thread. Now after seeing more of the facts, I actually think he is more right about the title. Take it from someone who has learned from previous lessons (me) having to be right and/or hardheaded doesn't always lead to a positive outcome for yourself.

Just give the guy his money back ......Geez.
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I am tempted to agree with HST HST but I feel that it is possible for BellaBlades BellaBlades to provide the best solution here at least for the buyer. I would say if you do perhaps document include letters with returned good and probably share said letter in this thread to CYA.
 
BellaBlades said:
Still have not heard back yet but my offer still stands and I will do my best to fix the knife if I hear back in a timely fashion. Unless this is turning into a situation that I should avoid?
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BellaBlades I apologize for not keeping you informed of my intention
I have not sent the knife to you yet because I want to leave some wiggle room should “Shadymethods” decide to give me the refund

“Shadymethods” you are now not obligated to give me refund since I’ve taken the knife apart.
If you decide to do so, it’ll be much appreciated but understand that I do not want anything else to do with the knife. It will be yours to do whatever you wish.

If the knife stays as my property, I’ll sending it to BellaBlade should he still accept it.
I do ask for patience as I’m not currently at home
 
stonesell said:
This is true, that the knife needs to be returned in the original condition.
In this case however, it seems that the return was denied before the pivot was removed.
The timeline as it appears to be:
2/15 Knife purchased.
2/24 Refund requested and denied.
4/8 Pivot removed on non-returnable knife.
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To clarify the timeline

2/16/18 I paid for the knife
2/24/18 I received the knife, “Shadymethods” was late in shipping it out to me
The same day 2/24/18 within an hour of receiving the knife, I email him telling him the knife is not functioning properly
We exchange emails back and forth, at the end of that day I ask for a
REFUND. So refund was asked for on the same day I received the knife.
2/26/18 was my last call for a refund
2/27/18 was his last email asking for proof
2/28/18 I obliged, sending him the 2 photos
3/2/18 I resend those Picts 2more times, since I’m not getting any answer back

You can verify them against the screenshots of my emails on page 6
 
I apologize for losing my temper last night. A week on GBU will do that to you but it doesn't excuse the outburst.

My offer still stands. Last time I sent 2 knives to Chris Martin, I had them back within a week. I am covering any supposed "risk" of dealing with the maker. You have nothing to lose. I want to clear my name.
 
ShadyMethods said:
My offer still stands. Last time I sent 2 knives to Chris Martin, I had them back within a week. I am covering any supposed "risk" of dealing with the maker. You have nothing to lose. I want to clear my name.
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Actually he would run the same risk he did in the first place with you, that you might not do the right thing AGAIN and leave him hanging AGAIN. Why would he expect anything different? IMHO a better plan of action is you refunding him and then taking your own RISK with the maker. Then you could sell the fixed knife to someone else if they are willing to deal with you over this knife. Provided you get it back, and it's fixed.. Who would be out then? Besides your rep which has already taken a hit.
 
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