Bad Rip off by KEN LEUNG aka “Shadymethods”

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Personally if I was the seller I would just end this by giving a refund. Just get it over with. Reputation is important on any platform where you sell things. This is bad for reputation, and the easiest fastest way to make it go away is to just issue the refund and get the knife back from the buyer.

It's what I would do.
 
OilMan said:
Actually he would run the same risk he did in the first place with you, that you might not do the right thing AGAIN and leave him hanging AGAIN. Why would he expect anything different? IMHO a better plan of action is you refunding him and then taking your own RISK with the maker. Then you could sell the fixed knife to someone else if they are willing to deal with you over this knife. Provided you get it back, and it's fixed.. Who would be out then? Besides your rep which has already taken a hit.
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This^^^.
 
And to add to what I said above, having sold a few things on here, and a lot of stuff on that big online auction site, the FIRST thing I do when tracking shows something has been delivered is check with the buyer. First thing, check with the buyer. See if they are happy. If they are not, what can I do to make them happy.

For a lot of us, this is an expensive LUXURY hobby. Just not worth all the drama for the price of one knife. Nevermind the fact I would feel bad personally if a buyer of mine was unhappy.

But, I'm never selling things and immediately buying something else with the money I just got. I would guess the barrier to refund is frequently the money is already spent. Not saying that is the case here, but a lot of times it is.

Good luck working it out.
 
ShadyMethods said:
I apologize for losing my temper last night. A week on GBU will do that to you but it doesn't excuse the outburst.

My offer still stands. Last time I sent 2 knives to Chris Martin, I had them back within a week. I am covering any supposed "risk" of dealing with the maker. You have nothing to lose. I want to clear my name.
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As a forum full of knife and gun enthusiasts, we mostly realize the importance of keeping a cool, calm, and rational demeanor. Now your words reflect that also.
You can easily clear your name, by just issuing a refund. The buyer doesn’t want the knife, and there is probably nothing that Chris Martin can say or do to change that.
You taking his rejection as a personal matter, because of the resulting negative attention from this GBU post, is only just what you signed up for, by agreeing to sell on Bladeforums.
Many of us know about the regular production folders that come standard with weak detents. It still doesn’t let us off the hook, if we pass one off to an unsuspecting buyer that wants to return it.
 
The knife should have been accepted back in the first place and a refund should have been issued upon receiving the knife in unaltered condition.

Simple. You could still complain about each other on here but no one would be out a pile of $$.

The knife could be fixed or sold explaining it has a weak detent. Money would still be made.

I would do that for any one of you guys or gals and I would expect the same.

Scammers are out there. But this is not an example of that. We all make mistakes. Just fix them.
 
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If ShadyMethods ShadyMethods put a "Under New Management" sign, over his avatar, do you guys think it would help? :D

"It's no longer me, and I won't be doing anymore shady deals, I PROMISE!" :p
 
Shady- This is where you say, that you didn't feel there was anything wrong or out of the ordinary to disclose with the knife, but as an act of good faith I will take it back and issue a full refund. You need to stop the bleeding. Take the loss even if you feel you were right. I am giving you the benefit of the doubt , but you need to end this.
 
Shady, I don't normally comment on things like this, but I don't think you have done anything wrong, and I think some of these people who are all high and mighty would feel differently if they were in your shoes. Keep the money....it's yours. He can do with the knife what he sees fit.
 
There are many ways to look at this transaction, and also many valid points of view.
One could say that the OP “gifted” Shady $600 through paypal F&F, and then Shady reciprocated by sending the OP an almost new Chris Martin original. Friends exchanging gifts. Using this theory, the OP shouldn’t complain.
The flip side is that it was a valid business deal, on a forum that supports both sides being happy with the deal.
It all about one’s personal perspective.
 
stonesell said:
There are many ways to look at this transaction, and also many valid points of view.
One could say that the OP “gifted” Shady $600 through paypal F&F, and then Shady reciprocated by sending the OP an almost new Chris Martin original. Friends exchanging gifts. Using this theory, the OP shouldn’t complain.
The flip side is that it was a valid business deal, on a forum that supports both sides being happy with the deal.
It all about one’s personal perspective.
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I’m with a lot of the camp above.... he needs to reverse the deal. He now has a negative feedback, a wswd thread, and many people who are seeing this for what it is. It should have been reversed a LONG time ago and never reached his point.
 
Popsickle said:
I’m with a lot of the camp above.... he needs to reverse the deal. He now has a negative feedback, a wswd thread, and many people who are seeing this for what it is. It should have been reversed a LONG time ago and never reached his point.
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Shady certainly earned his negative feedback. After much success in business, I know that being stubborn and self righteous is not the path to wealth.
I always loved it when my competition acted this way.
 
I guess I'm done here then. Hta-evo8 has already made his choice by leaving feedback. He is a dishonest coward who is unwilling to do anything on his end to either work with me or back up his claims. He wants to return a knife that he claims is a "defective unit". If it was so clearly defective, he would have no fears sending it to the maker. I was willing to accept all the risk involved and the maker could tell in an instant if it was indeed defective. He avoided this because he already knew what Chris would say.

I don't think I'm wrong to want to have the maker inspect a knife that the buyer disassembled. I don't know what he's done to it in the 6 weeks he waited. Everyone agrees that taking tools to the knife means that it's his. I was willing to work with him regardless. I also don't think it's wrong for me to want to be fair to myself as well as to the buyer. If I buy a knife I don't like, I re-sell it myself. I don't try to force a refund. There was nothing wrong with that knife when I mailed it. If you would have done something differently, feel free to brag about it more here. I'll keep trying to have fair deals with reasonable people. I have nothing more to add to this thread.
 
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The problem with Shady doing a refund without having the knife in hand is that what's saying that the buyer isn't just going to take the money and run, or send a box of rocks, etc?

I've had knives that had detents that didn't seat properly and were weak, it sometimes happens. Sometimes you can play with the tolerances and get it to seat fully, but I have doubts that the knife went through somebody else's hands and there are two completely different opinions on the detent. Obviously it can't be both light and nonexistent. Somebody is clearly lying here.
 
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