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ADD is ATTENTION Deficit Disorder NOT ATTITUDE Deficit Disorder. Or A--hole Delinquency Disorder. It means you have a problem maintaining concentration on the task at hand. It is NOT a Act How You Want To With No Consequences license.

A--holes are A--holes and should be treated as such. Claiming ADD/ADHD is NOT a free pass to be an A--hole. Parents who use such a condition to excuse their brat's actions are, IMO, simply bad parents who have insufficient parenting skills and should not have been allowed to contaminate the gene pool.

I blame Dr. SPOCK AND ALL THE OTHER IDIOTS who claim an a-- paddling is "bad for their self esteem." That just led to a generation of kids who have grown up to believe that everyone should be a winner, everyone should get a trophy and that it's society's fault little Johnny is an A--hole. Good kids begin at home with good parents and teachers should be able to teach, not be government paid baby sittters.
 
My son is Autistic and when he was younger there were occasions he would act out in public. A few times this happened my wife was approached by bystanders/witnesses to this behavior and they would start bitching out my wife. Things like: "control your child/you need to learn to be parent/get that kid out of here/your brat needs some discipline(that last was an actual quote by some a-hole)" She would just roll her eyes and quickly hand them a business card with something similar to this written on it.

"I apologize if my child was disturbing you. AUTISM is a neurological disability affecting about 1 in every 88 children born today. Behavior that may on the surface seem rude is my child's ONLY way of dealing with the world. If this is the first time autism has touched your life, I hope you will be patient and understanding."

She said they always walked away feeling like shit (well she supposed they did anyway)

My son acted out a few times when I was with him and my wife was not around (I didn't carry the cards) and some lady came up to me as I was dealing with my son and said to me, "You should probably learn to discipline your spoiled brat, maybe then he'll be a good kid." I looked at her and said, "My son is Autistic, not undisciplined. Perhaps, you should F&^% off you stupid c(*&." She was shocked and pissed but left me to deal with him, which was what I wanted in the first place. I'm pretty quick to lash out in his defense with the most harsh, most vulgar thing thing I can think off, and it always works. (not saying anyone else should do this)

My son is older now though and rarely has episodes. When he does though we can usually squash it pretty quick and painlessly

We see children acting in this manner all the time and we let the parent handle it. There hasn't been any instance I can recall that we felt compelled to "help/assist" or "complain." We usually just say something to each other like, "That used to be us."
 
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zzyzzogeton said:
ADD is ATTENTION Deficit Disorder NOT ATTITUDE Deficit Disorder. Or A--hole Delinquency Disorder. It means you have a problem maintaining concentration on the task at hand. It is NOT a Act How You Want To With No Consequences license.

A--holes are A--holes and should be treated as such. Claiming ADD/ADHD is NOT a free pass to be an A--hole. Parents who use such a condition to excuse their brat's actions are, IMO, simply bad parents who have insufficient parenting skills and should not have been allowed to contaminate the gene pool.

I blame Dr. SPOCK AND ALL THE OTHER IDIOTS who claim an a-- paddling is "bad for their self esteem." That just led to a generation of kids who have grown up to believe that everyone should be a winner, everyone should get a trophy and that it's society's fault little Johnny is an A--hole. Good kids begin at home with good parents and teachers should be able to teach, not be government paid baby sittters.
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Thanks for the first part....and as I said, ADD is an explanation, not an excuse. Excuses are like a-holes: everyone has one and they all stink. As for the second part, I'm not opposed per se to asswhoopin, but that will NOT beat ADD out of a kid....or an adult.
 
worldwood said:
Keep advertising it to "make women fall in lurve with you" and it should do fine :D
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Yup. I figure if I say that and package it in a plaid flannel drawstring pouch, I'll have the lesbian market sewn up :thumbup:

Wait... what? :confused:

mountainmist said:
Well, I obviously sit still long enough for a large buck to have contact, sooooo........
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Sooooo... stop talkin' silly. People other than us can see this stuff, lil' buddy. Like it or not, you're an ambassador for outdoorsmanship, and the anti-hunters/anti-gunners/anti-knifers lay in ambush, just waiting for folks like us to say something stoopid. Don't make us all look bad by trying to be a smart-alec. ;)

Ulf Krogstad said:
I think ADHD is an excuse for people to act like a-holes.
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I agree... sort of. In my youth, kids who wouldn't set still and listen to mindless droning nonsense like good little robots were called "kids", and they either got their stuff together or got their behind handed to 'em. Some of 'em were just plain incorrigible and grew up to become cantankerous knifemakers. :eek: "Mamas, don't let your babies grow up to be knifemakers..." :p

In the 90's, all them creative, interesting, curious little rascals who don't wanna kiss anyone's ass were suddenly labeled "ADD/ADHD"... mainly because the drug pushers decided to sell a whole lot more pills to their parents. In the the 00's and beyond, any kid who acts up or doesn't get along with the rest of the sheep is automatically called "autistic" for basically the same reasons.

Now, I'm definitely not saying that those disorders don't exist... of course they do, and it's certainly nothing to laugh about. These are serious, very real, medical conditions that need to be studied and addressed.


I'm just saying that they're WAY over-diagnosed, and the reason for that is spelled M-O-N-E-Y. It's insanely profitable to get little kids hooked on hardcore "medication" at an early age and keep them "under control" for the rest of their lives...

Don't even get me started on how many millions of people are "depressed" and pumped full of mind-bending drugs.... :rolleyes:
 
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james terrio said:
......In the 90's, all them creative, interesting, curious little rascals who don't wanna kiss anyone's ass were suddenly labeled "ADD/ADHD"... mainly because the drug pushers decided to sell a whole lot more pills to their parents. In the the 00's and beyond, any kid who acts up or doesn't get along with the rest of the sheep is automatically called "autistic" for basically the same reasons.

Now, I'm definitely not saying that those disorders don't exist... of course they do, and it's certainly nothing to laugh about. These are serious, very real, medical conditions that need to be studied and addressed.

I'm just saying that they're WAY over-diagnosed, and the reason for that is spelled M-O-N-E-Y. It's insanely profitable to get little kids hooked on hardcore "medication" at an early age and keep them "under control" for the rest of their lives...
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It is a possibility that what you say here is true. My son being the anomaly was diagnosed as autistic (high functioning) with developmental delays, as a toddler. This is before he could develop any lasting behavior-motivated conditions, therefore he is truly Autistic. And for the record, he has never been prescribed or taken any drug. He has gone through a regimen of Occupational Therapy and Speech Therapy and did have trouble sleeping for a time and would need melatonin, but he has since grown out of that. Walks and Talks normally, stims often.......and is a really good well-mannered kid.
 
When did this turn into Becker Knife and Therapists?! Jeez! The kid was cracking wise, he didn't say anything stupid and people are jumping down his throat about ADD, ADHD and it being a cover for assholism?! (<-- Patent Pending) Hell if I had a deer poking me in the head with his antlers (which by the way kid, you better HOPE that is what he was poking you with) I'd probably shoot whatever part I could see too!
 
It would be a darn shame if, over a period of several hours, a fascinating topic was raised and various people with different points-of-view and experience discussed it openly. Only a self-absorbed half-bright nitwit would be confused and offended by such a turn of events.
 
Chameleonbear said:
When did this turn into Becker Knife and Therapists?! Jeez! The kid was cracking wise, he didn't say anything stupid and people are jumping down his throat about ADD, ADHD and it being a cover for assholism?! (<-- Patent Pending) Hell if I had a deer poking me in the head with his antlers (which by the way kid, you better HOPE that is what he was poking you with) I'd probably shoot whatever part I could see too!
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Yeah, this.

BTW, I just realized what your profile pic was Cbear, and for some reason I thought that it said "Private Cancer" :D Made me LOL.....
 
Chameleonbear said:
When did this turn into Becker Knife and Therapists?! Jeez! The kid was cracking wise, he didn't say anything stupid and people are jumping down his throat about ADD, ADHD and it being a cover for assholism?! (<-- Patent Pending) Hell if I had a deer poking me in the head with his antlers (which by the way kid, you better HOPE that is what he was poking you with) I'd probably shoot whatever part I could see too!
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For the record, I did not post my snark as a result of whoever did what. I did not read before page 35. I posted to dispel the notion that a child with Autism (not ADD or ADHD) could not be managed in public and the ignorance of those who do not know Autism. And, Autism can be managed effectively without the use of drugs. I cannot speak for the ADD/ADHD crowd because I am not a parent of such children. Also I do not believe whoever it was here...I guess MM, has ADD or ADHD. Kill the damn deer if it pokes you.
 
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Tdhurl1103 said:
For the record, I did not post my snark as a result of whoever did what. I did not read before page 35. I posted to dispel the notion that a child with Autism (not ADD or ADHD) could not be managed in public and the ignorance of those who do not know Autism. And, Autism can be managed effectively without the use of drugs. I cannot speak for the ADD/ADHD crowd because I am not a parent of such children. Also I do not believe whoever it was here...I guess MM, has ADD or ADHD. Kill the damn deer if it pokes you.
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I understand and wasn't directing the comments necessarily at you. I do the same thing when the the topic of deafness is brought up. Mainly cause there is such a gross misunderstanding. It was more directed at the comments directed at MM. I felt bad for the Kid.

mountainmist said:
Yeah, this.

BTW, I just realized what your profile pic was Cbear, and for some reason I thought that it said "Private Cancer" :D Made me LOL.....
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It was actually part of an art installation in a mall in Downtown Chicago. Behind it was really just a closet that was empty but it was a great picture opportunity.

Terrio, GFY. There are lots of times topics go for hours or days and are interesting. However reading through a lot of the comments here on this topic that are founded on misunderstandings and conjecture. What I'm saying is instead of perpetrating the misunderstanding let's change topics so people don't end up getting insulted because someone doesn't actually know or understand what they are talking about.
 
My daughter is ADHD. I assure you its very real, however, it is NOT the same a autism. Its easy to make assumptions or accusations about them if you know nothing about it and have not parented a child that has any of these. That's all I'm gonna say on the subject.

O.k. one more comment, just for the record, my children are very well behaved out in public. But that because that's what we expect out of them as there parents. ADHD HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THAT. Its not a behavioral disorder.

Autism, is a entirely different animal.
 
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If you asked my father he would say ADHD was just another word for "kid" LOL

I have been told a hundreds times as a kid that i was/had ADHD.
 
james terrio said:
It would be a darn shame if, over a period of several hours, a fascinating topic was raised and various people with different points-of-view and experience discussed it openly. Only a self-absorbed half-bright nitwit would be confused and offended by such a turn of events.
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JT, when you say things like this: "I sincerely hope you're kidding. If you are kidding, knock it off. It's not one bit funny, kid. That's exactly the sort of thing that makes hunters look like trigger-happy morons. :thumbdn:"

It tends to make me think that you are not having a polite discussion, or a discussion at all. Telling me that I make all hunters look like trigger-happy morons because I had a buck poke me and I made some wild shots to take it down is a very good way to get some youngblood like me riled up, and I didn't want to say anything publicly because this thing happens WAY TO OFTEN and I don't want to draw attention to it when it does.

And then there's this:
Sooooo... stop talkin' silly. People other than us can see this stuff, lil' buddy. Like it or not, you're an ambassador for outdoorsmanship, and the anti-hunters/anti-gunners/anti-knifers lay in ambush, just waiting for folks like us to say something stoopid. Don't make us all look bad by trying to be a smart-alec. ;)
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When you tell me that I'm being a poor example of an Outdoorsman and make us all look bad because I tried to shoot a buck and didn't have a great shot, I take offense, but again, THIS STUFF HAPPENS WAY TO OFTEN and I didn't want to say anything about it.

So yeah, Cbear was right on. I wouldn't tell him that he's a "self-absorbed half-bright nitwit" for being offended with this, but what do I know? :D:p

I donno, I think that sometimes you get a little to concerned about trying to raise me right JT and it comes off offensive, especially because your not my parent. Most of the time it's good advice and I appreciate it, but there is a line.

Also, I apologize for bringing up ADHD, I was kidding and that wasn't really something to joke about. (<--good example of my youth showing)
 
MM. ADD and ADHD isn't a excuse, neither should being young. Just sayin.
 
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