Rough Rider & Related Slipjoints

Thanks for the great information Robert and Roland. I guess I'm going to have to give it a go! You're quite right Robert, they're called tin-openers here, I've got into the habit of trying to un-Anglocise a few words when posting here.

Thanks again guys :)

Jack
 
Jack Black said:
You're quite right Robert, they're called tin-openers here, I've got into the habit of trying to un-Anglocise a few words when posting here.
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Oh, please don't.

Although I suppose it does make for greater clarity, sometimes?

I have a Brit friend over on this side of the pond. I like getting her to say stuff.

;)

~ P.
 
Traditional style folding knives were developed by the Brits to their zenith from about 1830 up to WW I. The majority of the patterns we know were designed during this time period in Britain, hence the original British termino;ogy should be considered correct. I encourage all U.K. BF'ers to charm us with their language skills including whatever knife terminology is indigenous to Britain.
roland
 
Thank you folks, I'm charmed :) I'll promise not to make stuff up! :D
 
willgoy said:
The tin opener does work quite well but it can lift your nail as well.....:eek::barf:
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Perhaps I need to buy a Rough Rider Knife Opener! :D

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Im digging the armour hide scales, wish they would make more patterns with this material like a large toothpick or single blade warnie trapper , just thinking
 
grins000 said:
Im digging the armour hide scales, wish they would make more patterns with this material like a large toothpick or single blade warnie trapper , just thinking
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I just bought a RR Barlow in black "Bark Bone". I don't know who is doing the jigging designs for these folks, but it it outstanding. I have never seen anything like this. Gorgeous. Workmanship on the knife is outstanding, too.

Robert
 
Anyone try out one of the linerlock trapper models? Reason I ask is because I just got model RR1132, and boy, is this the stinker that RR managed to let out of the knife factory! (RR1239 nail clippers are also complete, snap-in-half junk, two-in-a-row, avoid at all costs, though technically not a traditional pocket knife.) My first thought was that this linerlock trapper was a real lemon. However upon giving it some thought, it looks like the design may be fundamentally flawed.


In this view, you see how it comes out of the box. Looks good so far:
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Here you can see as the blade is open a little more than half way, the liner lock pops into position prematurely:
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Another shot with the blade open at a wider angle. At this point, the liner lock makes contact with the tang, but not enough to block the blade from opening all the way:
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And all the way:
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This knife is a pretty big disappointment from the RR brand. I thought it was a fluke, but thinking about the shape of the blade tang, it looks like the design needs a fundamental rework. I may do something I almost never do: send this one back to the vendor, if for no other reason to send a shock wave back up the supply line that this model needs a rethink.
 
My 'Dog Bone Jack' came today! What a fun toy! No f&f problems at all. The scale colors don't match at all- the pile side is a much darker brown than the shield side, but that doesn't bother me at all. In fact, I kind of like it. plus a whistle and pocket sheath- I'm tempted to pick up a half dozen more for gifts!
 
Four RR stockmen and the one on the far left is a Marbles import. Armor hide is 2nd from the right.

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The Stockman on the far right looks grand (look like stag or bone stag to me eye). Also I've been quite impressed by the Armor Hide as well and just the texture of the handles in general. All in all it's just an aesthetically handle material as far as I'm concerned. They also have a newer sort of simulated stag that is very reminiscent of the "second cut" stag offered by Case.
 
Whetrock, it's the best RR I own.

Beautiful genuine burnt stag and the lowest riding blades of any stockman I've ever seen. 3-5/8" closed.

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I have a few tactical style RR linerlocks that work perfectly. I don't have any RR traditional style linerlocks. The one shown above is clearly defective. Is it just the 'odd one' or the entire run ?
I'm sure RR uses a variety of knife manufacturers. The manufacturer that makes most of the RR Traditionals does excellent work. My bet is that when RR tries a different manufacturer (likely for the nail clippers and maybe the above linerlock) and finds substandard workmanship, they sell them anyway, but also seek a different manufacturer for subsequent runs.
Buy the clippers and linerlock in a year's time and they could well both be excellent users.
roland
 
Here are two linerlocks that I have had a lot of experience with, the 466 rosewood one hander and the 360 micarta work knife. As you can see from the pictures the lockup is perfect (IMO) with the lock fully engaged with the blade. Both are very strong knives but the 360 is a working monster, built like a tank.
Up until this year I have always thought that RR were all made in the same factory but this year there is strong evidence and in some cases proof that they are using other factories. I sure hope they don't blow the toehold they have built over the past 5 years or so. I bug them fairly often on what's happening with their proposed carbon steel line but all i'm getting is they're working on it. I wish they would listen ;-))))

Best regards

Robin
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Robin, those are the 2 knives i was referring to when i said i have non-traditional pattern RR's with linerlocks that work just fine. Great to see the pics and that your experience is the same as mine.
roland
 
rprocter said:
Robin, those are the 2 knives i was referring to when i said i have non-traditional pattern RR's with linerlocks that work just fine. Great to see the pics and that your experience is the same as mine.
roland
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Hey Roland
I liked the older micarta that was sanded down to the weave, not sure why they stopped doing that. I usually carry the rosewood knife if I think I may need the one handed feature.

Best regards

Robin
 
Good info on the RR linerlocks. Since they don't fit our definition of traditional (as has been mentioned by our members) let's nip these in the bud.
Thanks!
 
midnight flyer said:
I just bought a RR Barlow in black "Bark Bone". I don't know who is doing the jigging designs for these folks, but it it outstanding. I have never seen anything like this. Gorgeous. Workmanship on the knife is outstanding, too.

Robert
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I agree Robert. I've a jigged bone Canoe, beautiful scales.

BM
 
I have a large and small RR linerlock sodbusters and they're fine, if more traditional in construction (brass liners, non-wedging lock engagement). The trapper liner lock, otoh, has steel liners and looks intended to wedge against the blade like a modern liner/frame lock, in addition to utilizing a closing detente. It may very well be sourced from a different vendor than their other slipjoints. On close inspection, the glue under the scales is also rather sloppy around the locking area.

I mentioned in the past that the RR folks source from a variety of countries, so it wouldn't be surprising if they source from a variety of vendors within one country, too. So just a heads up on that particular model.
 
shecky said:
I have a large and small RR linerlock sodbusters and they're fine, if more traditional in construction (brass liners, non-wedging lock engagement). The trapper liner lock, otoh, has steel liners and looks intended to wedge against the blade like a modern liner/frame lock, in addition to utilizing a closing detente. It may very well be sourced from a different vendor than their other slipjoints. On close inspection, the glue under the scales is also rather sloppy around the locking area.

I mentioned in the past that the RR folks source from a variety of countries, so it wouldn't be surprising if they source from a variety of vendors within one country, too. So just a heads up on that particular model.
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From 2 posts back ...
Good info on the RR linerlocks. Since they don't fit our definition of traditional (as has been mentioned by our members) let's nip these in the bud.
Thanks!

No more linerlock talk, please.
 
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