Round up those Cattle Knives!!

[waynorth]

Supratentorial's superior brain power has added a good analysis of the situation! Nice going Jake!!
Let's go back to the simple pleasures for a while!
Here are some Junior Cattle knives, all about 3 3/8" long!!
Top to bottom, Ulster, blank, Ulster, Shapleigh D-E and Schrade Walden.

As for the blank tang, Schrade made some knives for KeenKutter, Craftsman (Sears) and Shapleigh (and maybe others) with etched blades instead of stamped tangs.

 

[supratentorial]

So, if I have this straight, my Case/Bose Cattle knife is not a cattle knife, but my Sowbellies may very well have been considered such at one time. It's all starting to make sense now!

I think the Case/Bose Cattle knife is intended to be a "premier cattle".

But can anyone show me a premier cattle that was made before the stockman pattern??? I asked in Levine's forum for an example of a catalog cut showing a premier cattle and nobody was able to provide one.

If I recall correctly, Tony's knife was based on an old knife that was made decades after 1890. It does fit Levine's description. But I've never seen an example from before 1890.

 

[supratentorial]

Beautiful examples, Charlie

Surveyor (Fancy cattle pattern according to book terms but called a stockman in the old Maher & Grosh catalogs)

Eureka (Fancy cattle knife)

Equal end cattle with "Cattle Knife" etch on blade

Junior Cattle Knife

 

[waynorth]

Surveyor (Fancy cattle pattern according to book terms but called a stockman in the old Maher & Grosh catalogs)

Eureka (Fancy cattle knife)

Equal end cattle

The surveyor might be an example of the "not carved in stone" theory - or perhaps the "slenderness" has something to do with it. (I can visualize the advertising comittee of M&G gathered around a table full of whiskey glasses, conspiring to confuse us!!)

 

[waynorth]

Nice knives, Jake!! Stag is rare!!
Here are some more Juniors.
The Scrade Cut and Schrade Walden are even more junior at around 3 1/8".
The Case Tested 4-blade is barely junior at 3 7/16"!!

 

[afishhunter]

Who said life was easy??

Ummm ... you did ... right there ... in post number 58 ...


Sorry, I could not resist ...

 

[Campbellclanman]

Cattle Knives are cool Knives- and as discussed- often it's hard to know just what you have in your collection, the difference between a Stockman and a Cattle Knife may be hard to find ( at times ).
Here are a few of my Cattle Knives, I think an awful lot of these Knives and feel the pattern is something that I would like to look into a bit more seriously in the future.
I will start off with a Real nice smaller Cattle Knife - an Ulster Contract Knife made by Schrade, gifted to me by Mr. Paul Hilborn, this knife is such a great Knife!
Closed this Knife measures @ 3 and 3/8ths.

Lovely small details to this Knife- obviously the beautiful Peach seed Bone- that only to this day have the old Shrade had managed to do- although GEC- are one very very small step away.
The details I am talking about are the attention to Swedges- I particularly like the Sheeps-foot with the nice Swedge work, also the styling of the Spey Blade as well.

a really nicely cut Blade in every way....

 

[Campbellclanman]

Here is a neat Cattle Knife by Utica, Utica is not Stamped on the Knife anywhere but stamped WARDS, made in USA.

The second part of this post a knife absolutely identical in size, pin location- & pin size - just in every way an exact copy of build, shape of blades, one change is on this knife - a Nail Nick- on the following Knife a Long Pull.
One very nice addition to both the Knives is the Genuine Utica Bone- you would have seen this Bone on the Black Box Winchester Knives, I have spent a lot of time looking at this Bone- and we all love the Big Chunky Jig work from such greats as...Miller Bros, Robeson etc...this Utica Bone is finely jigged- but absolutely amazingly intricate within itself.

Both of these knives are 3 5/8ths long Closed.
This Wards has a corn Leaf Shield - cool BONE, a Great Clip- Point Blade, a very Stout Sheepsfoot Blade with neat Swedge work, along with a typical Pen. Walk and talk is superb - just all in all a well built, Great Knife!

Here is the second Knife - this time stamped KUTMASTER, ( above ) UTICA. N.Y ( over ) MADE IN U.S.A

Shield - is the Buster Brown Shoes Shield

 

[black mamba]

Really great additions, Duncan!

 

[Campbellclanman]

Here is a Stamp name that caused a bit of interest the other day in the old Knives Thread, it rung a bell, I was quite embarrassed when I found this knife- because I seemed to remembered to having a Knife with the name but with Utica Bone, I apologise a it has been a long long time that I have been back to revisit these Knives, this Enderes is not Utica Bone- but was stored with the two previously posted Knives by Utica- so apologies to those in reading the Old Knives Thread where I had stated I thought I had a knife like this in Utica Bone- which now I realise is untrue- but is a Composite handled Knife- my suspicions were starting to peak when Charlie posted an exact Knife- such as this ........ mine is not quite as tidy as Charlie's.

Enderes - stated by Goins as Circa 1916 - 1927.

Quite a nicely built Knife.
Long Pull, Nice Swedges, Spey Blade again is a nicely shaped and nicely Swedged, a somewhat slightly short Blade for a Spey. If only a little more with the Handles- and this would be a superb Knife!

Punch seems to be slightly shortened- nice to see the Punch being used.

 

[Campbellclanman]

Just want to comment on the very nice Customs being shared here, the nice Camillus, Imperials etc..
I really like that Cattle knife shown in post 11 by Danno50- what a neat Knife!, Gev's really neat Old Catt, Herders absolutely outstanding Ulster- Just WOW!!!!

Charlie - your posts of those Knives!!! Whew! each and every Knife is simply Beautiful!
Dave- Nice Cline!!! thats a tough looking Knife my friend!

Jeff- amazing contributions- you my friend are the Forums dark horse.... you seem to have an amazing amount of an amazing number of patterns!! That Stag Eureka ( post 49 ).

Arathols last posted Kutmaster- NICE!! ( post 35 )

Galvanic's Pearl Cattle Knife is some Bling Bling for sure!

Charlie, post 61...is hard to comprehend having such a group of top-of-the-line stunners all there in front of you!

Jake your post 63!!! in there my friend are some outstanding Knives- The Maher & Grosh is a little Beauty for sure, The Schrade Cut Co Stag is such a great Knife- whew!

Ok... not that these compare- but hopefully they take their place in this Thread......

Heres three Ulster cattle Knives- One has had been cleaned- where someone has refurbished the Main Blade- the knife is actually a fantastic Knife- I cant see why this was done- the other two you will see have the original factory finish- where one that sounds out has a brush finish- also- take a look at the "brush finished" Main's Tang Shoulder has been taken off track slightly with the work- then someone goes and puts a Salemans Number - ( perhaps more innocently the past collectors catalog number of sorts?) ...but all in all when you have the Knife in your hand- the brush finish is hard to see- the photo's make these stand out quite considerably! ), so...here they are....

I just want to say that these Cattle Knives- By utica ( Stamped: MADE IN ( over ) U.S.A. ) are extremely good Knives, I love the Bone used, I was lucky enough to pick the Ulster with the etch on the Blade in the Queens Antique Knife Show a wee while ago, this Knife is simply awesome, each Knife has outstanding Walk and Talk, Beautiful Swedge work - awesome Sheepsfoot, just a fantastically built Knife!

 

[knowtracks]

SWEET knives Duncan!!!!
Thanks for sharing those Beauties!!! Great photography as well

Dave

 

[Campbellclanman]

Thank you Dave my friend

This next one is an absolute Beauty- Now Charlie I seem to recall you posting n older Camillus in "Orange Bone" - This Knife is Stamped "High Carbon Steel U.S.A " on the Main, Sta Sharp is etched on the Main. Sears and Robuck had their knives built by Camillus to Sport theses etches and Stampings ( Goins ).
Circa 1927 - 1940.
Camillus Built- and beautifully done so- this is one of my favourite Knives- There's a heck of a lot going on in this Knife. Three Springs/ Five Blades/ Utensils.
The Punch being Camillus's well Known Spiral Punch!
This knife hasn't had a lot of use- I consider my self lucky to own such a piece, so the Main Spear Point is in very nice shape- as is the Etch!
The Short, stout Spey Blade is a very cool looking Blade, with a slight "Humpback" in the Spine, nice Swedges-

Again, a short, Stout - this time Clip-Point Blade sports as a accessory Blade - again- a neat little swedge going on with a slight recurve to the edge- making it an attractive Blade for sure!

The Pen is slim and long- and each time I go through this Knife- each Blade with just an ants hair's width to pass the other- ....just makes me feel so appreciative of the quality I posses in this Knife-also it also hits home the magnitude of the loss of such a company that has played a good part in the history of the U.S.A.
The Bone is simply amazing, the Shield is .......

 

[Campbellclanman]

Another Camillus Built Beauty, and again stamped HIGH CARBON STEEL ( over ) U.S.A on the Tang of the Main.
Etched on the Main is STA SHARP, under this is the block lettering acid etching FOUR BLADE- then in stylised and extremely faint Carbon Steel
Clip point Main this time, but with the same other blade arrangement ( apart from the cool little Clip Point ) as the previous Camillus - this Knife has the 4 blades and not the 5, this one too hails Circa 1927 -1940.

The Spiral Punch this time has the very cools Tang stamp stating just that in stylised Writing Spiral Punch.

The Bone almost borders on a jigged Apoloosa- it's nice, it's Mellow and I really like it a lot, the small oval shield is pinned.
Turn the Knife over, this Double Springed Knife has a lovely fancy Coined Liner running through the middle.

Yet another classy Knife built by one of THE greats...

 

[supratentorial]

Fantastic knives, Duncan and Charlie

The surveyor might be an example of the "not carved in stone" theory - or perhaps the "slenderness" has something to do with it. (I can visualize the advertising comittee of M&G gathered around a table full of whiskey glasses, conspiring to confuse us!!)

I got the quote wrong. It was... "Pattern names did NOT come down from Mt Sinai on stone tablets." You've got me chuckling now also. I think you figured out their plan which is finally (125+ years later) coming to fruition!

 

[Campbellclanman]

Thank you Jake my friend.

Last one folks- sorry about this..
Nice Bone Imperial, often you can be forgiven for looking upon Imperial in a "Budget Mannered light", but as others have shown in not only this Thread but others- there are some beauties around.
This one here has some wear- but I kinda like this Ol' girl, The walk and Talk is something else! I really like it's Nice Bone, The main is stamped IMPERIAL ( over ) PROV. RI
The main is slightly shorter from use, features a nice Long Pull, nice Swedging, the shorter but stout Sheeps -foot features nice Swedgework as well, the Swedge work is only one one side of the Blades.
I must say that the fit and finish of this Knife is great- for an old Knife- its still in great condition ready to share a few more lifetimes if looked after.

 

[Jsega51]

Excellent examples Duncan! And I agree, Jeff has one heck of a collection that never seems to end LOL.

 

[Will Power]

Duncan, some choice examples there mate! Some of the shields are particularly atttractive notably that Oak(?) leaf one.

Thanks, Will

 

[kvaughn]

My SAK Electrician is equal end with a spear main,a sheepfoot and a punch + a bottle cap opener/screwdriver. Would it be considered a cattle knife if it didn't have the extra blade?--KV

 

[black mamba]

Fabulous showing, Duncan! I do love the Wards Utica most, because of the great bone and the leaf shield. Which brings me to a question: why do so many of these cattle knives NOT have shields of any kind? Even a simple bar or badge would really dress them up nicely.