rust on Blackjack II 1-7 blades

Cougar Allen said:
It's plain to see the fact that Lee Harvey Oswald never touched those knives proves he has extremely acidic perspiration. I can only recommend in the strongest possible terms that everyone who has a knife that Lee Harvey Oswald never touched should check it for rust immediately!
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You are to much dude! :D:D:D
 
hardheart said:
Oh please, I have to say
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Cougar Allen said:
Only a loud-mouth, lemon-headed, insult-hurling chap could possibly disagree
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hardheart said:
umm, nothing at all:cool:
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See, I intimidated someone with my flaming! That's how it works.... :thumbup:



Michael Dye said:
The sun will rise tomorrow, and 1095 will rust.
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But not everybody ... not yet ... gotta try harder ...
 
Boats said:
I have read this entire thread and my conclusion is that whitie and cdnwide's parents shouldn't allow them to handle sharp objects and should seriously consider giving the two their pacifiers back.

Any end line nimrod who can't clean a carbon steel knife prior to storage to protect against the possibility of contaminants being on the blade prior to preservation substances being applied should find another hobby, like collecting beanie babies, river rocks, commemerative plates, Star Wars memorabilia, or something else with low corrosion potential.
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You're just like Noel Coward without the wit or the charm...appearing at the Holday Inn in Escanaba Thursday thru Saturday.
 
Even the newest illegal immigrant fresh from Nicaragua, doing the dishes and the trash at the Escanaba Holiday Inn part-time on the weekends knows enough to clean a new knife.

Which, of course, only means that Canada wasted a vast amount of resources trying to teach you anything, because turd polishing never works.

Back to your regularly scheduled Saturday night.:jerkit:
 
Boats said:
Even the newest illegal immigrant fresh from Nicaragua, doing the dishes and the trash at the Escanaba Holiday Inn part-time on the weekends knows enough to clean a new knife.
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Hey I thought Mike did shoot JFK? Or was that another one of his famously rollicking "stories".....
(with cigarette waving in air violently)
 
I would agree, that those so inclined should read the whole thread concerning the issue with D2 as it shows strongly the diffence in behavior of demands placed on evidence when an opinion is supportive vs contrary to personal opinion, and the ease in which extremely carefully gathered data is trivially ignored when it is so suited to support a personal viewpoint to do so.

Thomas Linton said:
And, unfortuantely for your accusation, Blackjack and the other subcontractor who made the blades says BRKT only assembled the knives. Just can't deal with reality, can you? Gets in the way of your accusations does it?
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Thomas there is no way you can really support that viewpoint. Consider for example that Spyderco briefly promoted the Byrd knives as 440C. If someone condemed them harshly as 440C would you really argue they owe Spyderco an apology because the steel isn't actually 440C and thus and conclusions they reached are unfounded. It has become clear that the misinformation that these were actually made by Stewart came from Stewart himself so it is hardly the case that you can blame people for incorrectly attaching blame.

Now the issue of does the blades having rusted be of significant merit is another issue. Corrosion is a problem with all steels, aside from H1 and similar. However if you make a product that requires more care than a near identical product to prevent damage then it isn't unreasonable to expect critism especially when this isn't made clear to the public. If the comments were "This 1095 blade is junk, it rusted but my 440C bowie did not", then there is obviously cause to argue this is unreasonable. However when you have care taken to protect a group of similar/idential steels and a sub set is still damaged then this is different.

This is no different than noticing a difference in edge retention, durablity, etc. . All knives dull as well but would that excuse poor edge retention. Hardly. If there is actually an issue which means the user has to take specific steps or more care to protect those particular knives than other made of the same materials then it is of benefit obviously to have such information made public.

-Cliff
 
whitie said:
Folks, I'm posting this in case any of you have some of the new Blackjack II 1-7 knives on your shelf. Be sure to check them for blade rust ASAP. I have 8 and 6 had to be buffed clean. I can't post pics, but can e-mail a few if any of you care to post them.

whitie
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Can't believe I missed this until now, if this were some mistake on the part of the manufacturer, and we have established it was not Mike Stewart, then why didn't all 8 rust?....and what about the rest of the 400 that were made?
 
The two BJ owning clowns in this thread didn't buy all 400 examples of the production run or we'd be hearing about 300 "junk" blades due to their laughable 25% success rate of properly caring for the BJs they did buy.

Most 1095 blades are coated precisely because of folks like the two rust promoting gentlemen in this thread who just don't "get" that carbon steel ain't H-1.
 
Well gents I'm through with this thread. We're just going round in circles. You're not going to change my mind and I'm not going to change yours. The rest will vote with their knife dollars.
 
Yes, since it's been shown by the words of the very company that contracted these knives, that Mike Stewart in fact did not make these blades, there really isn't much more that needs to be said.
 
Cliff Stamp said:
I would agree, that those so inclined should read the whole thread concerning the issue with D2 as it shows strongly the diffence in behavior of demands placed on evidence when an opinion is supportive vs contrary to personal opinion, and the ease in which extremely carefully gathered data is trivially ignored when it is so suited to support a personal viewpoint to do so.
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Cliff, I fear I must decline to accept your analogy here because there is no evidence that the criticism continues based on "carefully gathered data." Indeed, the haters go on attacking despite the clear facts.

Thomas there is no way you can really support that viewpoint. Consider for example that Spyderco briefly promoted the Byrd knives as 440C. If someone condemed them harshly as 440C would you really argue they owe Spyderco an apology because the steel isn't actually 440C and thus and conclusions they reached are unfounded. It has become clear that the misinformation that these were actually made by Stewart came from Stewart himself so it is hardly the case that you can blame people for incorrectly attaching blame.
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Cliff, again your analogy does not seem apt since, long after the relevant fact as to who made the blades is crystal clear, the attacks continue. Assuming that Mike Stewart is responsible for the initial belief that BRKT made the blades, that does not justify the initial "etching acid" theory. Much less does it justify the frantic need to blame BRKT long, long after its is no longer possible to ascribe making the blades to BRKT.

As to your comment of the value of a warning of a problem, it has already been regreted by many here that such was NOT the thrust of this thread.
 
Thomas Linton said:
Cliff, again your analogy does not seem apt since, long after the relevant fact as to who made the blades is crystal clear, the attacks continue.
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When folks can't separate making a blade from making a knife, there isn't much to be gained my discussing it further. Free $30 knifs for Thomas and the other BRKT loyalists.

Another PM received had this tidbit.
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=132141
 
CDNWIDE said:
Well gents I'm through with this thread. We're just going round in circles. You're not going to change my mind and I'm not going to change yours. The rest will vote with their knife dollars.
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Yes, it is time to quit rehashing the same arguments.

In the interest of discussing facts rather than conjecture, has anyone tracked down any other blades from this batch? It would be nice to see what happened to them. I suspect we would find that their condition was the direct result of the care they were given by the end user(s). I am still of the opinion that this is what happened with the blades that started this mess. But, since we've taken it this far already, we might as well look at the rest of the batch, just in case. Without more information, there's no point in continuing this.

whitie said:
Free $30 knifs for Thomas and the other BRKT loyalists.
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You shouldn't be pointing fingers when your motivations are equally suspect. I think most people who read this thread will wonder, as I do, why you're hellbent on blaming BRKT. Put down the rocks before you lose your security deposit on the glass house.
 
whitie said:
Mike Stewart said in several posts that BRKT made these Blackjack 2 1-7 knives. Now he changes his statements to say that BRKT only assembled the knives. So what. Next, Mike will say that he contracted the making of these knives to someone else. So what. The fact remains that BTKT handled these knives after the blades were made.
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Does that really surprise you? Mike Stewart changes his story more often then he changes his underwear. Hes been telling untruths and spinning false tales for years. Mike Stewart is not the Saintly figure so many people on the forums portray him to be. They don't see the real Mike Stewart, the man known by alot of industry insiders as anything but a saint. The only thing his fan club sees... or wants to see... is the Mike Stewart who pretends to be just one of the boys. He gives away a ton of free knives to win friends and gain 'Sappers' willing to strap explosives to there waists and storm the wire whenever a person dares to say anything negative about him. Good people will sell there souls and do strange things for a free knife. :(

Lets look at the real Mike Stewart.

According to Mike Stewart, he isn't the one who caused the old Blackjack to fold. It was someone else.
According to Mike Stewart, he isn't the one who caused all the Blackjack employees paychecks to bounce week after week. It was someone else.
According to Mike Stewart, he isn't the one who made all the money disappear at Blackjack. It was someone else, even though Michael Stewart of Gladstone, Mich was the person indicted by a federal grand jury for bank fraud. Shucks, whats a measly $500,000 to a rich bank? Mike should join forces with O.J. Together they can find Nicoles and Blackjacks real killers. Lets narrow the search considerably. Hand them both a mirror...

According to Mike Stewart, he isn't the one who cut corners at Marbles and caused there quality to go to $hit. It was someone else who told him to do it. I guess thats why the owner fired him... for following orders from a mysterious someone else instead of from the owner himself. Maybe the ghost of Webster Marble was roaming the factory telling Mike what to do. :rolleyes:

Mike Stewart isn't to blame for all those crappy and very dangerous sheaths Bark River shipped with there knives. It was someone else at fault even though the problem persisted for well over a year and BRKT didn't bother to get a new sheath maker until recently.

Mike Stewart himself said Bark River made those 'rusty' 1-7 knives.
Wait a minute. They only assembled them
No, it was someone else.
Hold on. I think its something completely different. Give Stewart time to make up the next version of the story so we will know the real truth. :barf:

Read the Morseth thread on A. G. Russells forum on KF. Mike Stewart has told 2 or 3 different stories about the history of the blades. He could of very well made up yet another version of the real story since the last time I read it the other day.

I think Mike Stewart is Allan Blades long lost daddy. The similarites are remarkable. Someone else is always to blame for there unpaid debts and all the controversy and mishaps surrounding them. Its never there own fault. Its always someone else. Between the 2 of them they claim to have invented all the neat blade designs and gimmicks in the entire history of the cutting tool but someone else invariably steals them and never give poor Mike or Allan credit or royalties. Mike Stewart once claimed on the forums that he invented the Kopis. :eek: Just think of all the royalties he is owed by the Greek and Persian armies... retroactive to about 3,000 years ago. LOL!

Its always someone else at fault in Mike Stewarts world. The man grinds one helluva a blade. Its too bad his sense of ethics are lacking and he has a hard time with the truth. Most of us would find it difficult looking at ourselves in the mirror if we were in Mike Stewarts shoes.

Repeat after me. Its never Mike Stewarts fault. It is always someone else. :jerkit:

OK all you guys who have received free knives from Mike Stewart... fire away! :grumpy:
 
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