rust on Blackjack II 1-7 blades

I believe if the 3 posters that are so adamant about it being Mike Stewarts fault continue, the mods need to take some kind of action for their behaviour. This type of libelous trolling has no place in this forum IMHO.
 
wow, what an interesting thread

now that I've read it, where do I send the protection money to keep the Bark River Raiders off my ass?
 
To me it has nothing to do with defending Mike Stewart personally, never met the man. If this thread had started with "I bought a Spyderco Police and the blade rusted, it's C.J. Bucks fault", I would have asked the same questions.
 
hardheart said:
now that I've read it, where do I send the protection money to keep the Bark River Raiders off my ass?
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This is about one person make false accusations against another. We are defending the man, not the company. This thread was started for the sole purpose of discrediting and attacking Mike Stewart. This is not about Bark River fans against the accuser. I would come to the defense of anyone who is portrayed as less than honorable when the accusations are malicious and false. The facts in this case clearly show that whitie has an agenda and has not taken responsibility for his own actions nor has he stated anything about contacting Blackjack about the knives. He immediately went on the attack and was/is looking for someone to blame. Nothing could have made those knives rust the way they did other than negligence on the part of the owner.
 
The Last Confederate said:
To me it has nothing to do with defending Mike Stewart personally, never met the man. If this thread had started with "I bought a Spyderco Police and the blade rusted, it's C.J. Bucks fault", I would have asked the same questions.
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That about says it. :eek:
 
K.V. Collucci said:
Nothing could have made those knives rust the way they did other than negligence on the part of the owner.
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I might assume the same thing if these rusty knives were someone else's problem. I had to spend good $$ to get them cleaned up - fair warning to anyone looking to buy a BRKT product.

whitie
 
whitie said:
I might assume the same thing if these rusty knives were someone else's problem. I had to spend good $$ to get them cleaned up - fair warning to anyone looking to buy a BRKT product.

whitie
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Since these were not BRKT products, perhaps the warning should be to knifemakers and dealers not to sell to you.

You don't take proper care of what you buy, then blame others. :jerkit:
 
The Last Confederate said:
To me it has nothing to do with defending Mike Stewart personally, never met the man. If this thread had started with "I bought a Spyderco Police and the blade rusted, it's C.J. Bucks fault", I would have asked the same questions.
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Confederate, I can see that getting you to engage your brain is a sincere challenge. The difference with your analogy is that Mike Stewart made the Blackjack 2 1-7 knives, so why not give him credit for a quality issue.

Let me try this analogy - if the complaint was that the edge was unsharpened on several Blackjack II 1-7 knife (or some other more obvious quality issue), would you have any dispute giving credit to the company that made the knives? My contention all along is that I give credit for this quality issue to the company that made the knife, not the company that markets the knife.

I honestly don't blame you guys for doubting that anything short of owner negligence cause the rust. I own the rusted knives and I still have a hard time believing it. To the open-minded, consider the possibility that these knives rusted pre-maturely and I had nothing to do with it.

whitie
 
Since these were not BRKT products, perhaps the warning should be to knifemakers and dealers not to sell to you.
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Huh? I can't see how not selling to him could protect anybody from being slandered.... :confused:
 
K.V. Collucci said:
Nothing could have made those knives rust the way they did other than negligence on the part of the owner.
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If you had read my original post on KF's you would have seen that the blades were NOT stored incorrectly. They were treated with Renaissance Wax, stored out of the sheath and placed with my other pristine knives (including Effingham BJ's). In less than 90 days they were in the condition I showed..while the others remain in mint condition.
 
whitie said:
Confederate, I can see that getting you to engage your brain is a sincere challenge. The difference with your analogy is that Mike Stewart made the Blackjack 2 1-7 knives, so why not give him credit for a quality issue.

My contention all along is that I give credit for this quality issue to the company that made the knife, not the company that markets the knife.
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But since the company itself says BRKT did not make these blades, then you are kinda looking a little lame for continuing to claim they did.


whitie said:
To the open-minded, consider the possibility that these knives rusted pre-maturely and I had nothing to do with it.
whitie
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And for those that live in reality, consider that HE bought knives with 1095 blades, that were not rusted when HE bought them, HE took them home and stored them and they rusted under HIS control.

Obviously it's someone elses fault.........My 1996 Mercury Sable has rust on a fender, I'm gonna sue Chevy!
 
The Last Confederate said:
Obviously it's someone elses fault.........My 1996 Mercury Sable has rust on a fender, I'm gonna sue Chevy!
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And if it rusted in less than 90 days after you took it home? Would you call the dealer? The company who assembled it? Or, the forge that poured the steel? Or, should I do as you suggest and resign myself to the fact that ALL steel eventually rusts and I got what I deserved?
 
CDNWIDE said:
And if it rusted in less than 90 days after you took it home? Would you call the dealer? The company who assembled it? Or, the forge that poured the steel? Or, should I do as you suggest and resign myself to the fact that ALL steel eventually rusts and I got what I deserved?
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I would except the fact that I hadn't properly stored it and learn to be more dilligent next time.

In fact, I had a similiar incident with one of my first custom knives, it was 1095 and I forgot to re-oil it before storing it, the next morning it was covered with "pepper spots", did I blame the knifemaker, or more accurately to this thread, blame another maker who didn't make the blade?

No, I to responsibility for my own error and learned from it.

Since were all asked to be so "open minded", is it possible you didn't properly clean them before applying the Ren-Wax?
 
CDNWIDE said:
And if it rusted in less than 90 days after you took it home? Would you call the dealer? The company who assembled it? Or, the forge that poured the steel? Or, should I do as you suggest and resign myself to the fact that ALL steel eventually rusts and I got what I deserved?
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People can already see that he is just a BRKT hatchet man. Maybe he is secretary of their fan club and he gets free knifs for patrolling the boards.

whitie
 
whitie said:
People can already see that he is just a BRKT hatchet man. Maybe he is secretary of their fan club and he gets free knifs for patrolling the boards.

whitie
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I own 2 BRKT knives, yeah...I'm their biggest fan.
 
The Last Confederate said:
I own 2 BRKT knives, yeah...I'm their biggest fan.
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I received a PM that you are a regular on the BRKT forum. That explains it - free $30 knifs must be waiting for you.
 
whitie said:
I received a PM that you are a regular on the BRKT forum. That explains it - free $30 knifs must be waiting for you.
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Uh..I'm not a member of a "BRKT forum", if by chance you mean the BRKT forum on Knifeforums.com, I've only posted once there since May31st (that's as far back as the search function went) and that was on July 19th.

Not exactly a regular there.

Let me guess, this PM came from the mystery knifemaker expert that no one ever gets the name of didn't it?
 
whitie said:
I received a PM that you are a regular on the BRKT forum. That explains it - free $30 knifs must be waiting for you.
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Then what kind of freebie is Ken Warner getting for stating that he provided the blades that were assembled by BRKT? He must be a BRKT hatchet man too.
 
TorzJohnson said:
Then what kind of freebie is Ken Warner getting for stating that he provided the blades that were assembled by BRKT? He must be a BRKT hatchet man too.
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I hope he got a better deal than me! :D
 
whitie said:
Let me try this analogy - if the complaint was that the edge was unsharpened on several Blackjack II 1-7 knife (or some other more obvious quality issue), would you have any dispute giving credit to the company that made the knives? My contention all along is that I give credit for this quality issue to the company that made the knife, not the company that markets the knife.
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What you are still failing to comprehend is that BRK&T did not make the blades on your knives. This has been proven time and again. Ken Warner & Blackjack Knives ground the blades, BRK&T attached the guards, handle and pommel, the knives where shipped back to Ken Warner and sharpened and distributed by Blackjack Knives. If this is in fact a quality control issue then you should be contacting Ken Warner, not accussing Mike Stewart of causing your blades to rust.

And before you start in on me about be a BRKT hatchet man I do own some Bark River Knives but as I stated before, I will defend anyone who is wrongfully accused, even you if it is warranted.
 
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