Ryan Posey aka SPYfanman-Where is the birthday card (certificate of Authenticity) ?

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"Knife will come with leather pouch, box, cloth, etc" Where is the birthday card (certificate of Authenticity) ?
 
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Hey Dino,



Well, How do you like it? The B-day card wasn't in the bottom of the box? I didn't check as when I took the pictures I did so only with the knife itself. Hmmm........I will look around and see if I can find it. Thanks


Regards,
Ryan



IT DOES NOT WORK THIS WAY. When I pay you $575.00 for a sebenza, you better supply the birthday card (certificate of Authenticity). There is no "if I can find it", how do I know you didn't replace (Parts) like the back "Idaho Made" scale?
 
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Hey Dino,



I am bit dissappointed you filed an open dispute with Paypal instead of first addressing your concern with me. The back Ti scale was switched for two reasons. One, the lockup was earlier than the original side ti scale and I think most prefer earlier lockup. Two, the overall look with the Damascus and new style-lugs in combination together gave a more asthetic look. I think you will agree from the photos. As far as the birthday card goes, I am looking for it as we speak. I sometimes am not the best with keeping things organized and that is the case with my knife collections as well. I will get back with you and any other concerns, please let me know. Thanks


Regards,
Ryan



YOU HAVE GOT TO BE KIDDING ME. I WANT A REFUND NOW!!!
 
ino,



No one is playing games here....except possibly you. I never had problems before with anyone purchasing something from me, then later deciding they don't want it because they changed their mind. You made the purchase knowing what you were getting and then later deciding you want something different. Well, that is the beauty of "catch-and-release". If the knife doesn't suit you, you are always welcome to turn around and re-sell it. If you would like to take it to the next level with Paypal, I am happy to dispute it and also happy with whatever they decide is fair.


Regards,
Ryan




Talk about "catch-and-release" didn't you just purchase this knife from bmw31159 on ebay item #320806583350, replaced the parts you wanted and resold it on Bladeforums without accurately describing the item. Ail this was done within the last 25 days, I would call that premeditated fraud.
 
Mr. Posey lets stick with the facts:

1) You describe the item as New

That is a lie, you purchased the item from bmw31159 on ebay item #320806583350 in late December sometime. You then replaced the original parts with your used parts and sold it on Blade forums as New. That is a misrepresentation of the item.

2) You try to get me to send you the money using the paypal gift option when paying for the item

3) Your "In the spirit of full disclosure" comment, again you omitted the part that you recently replaced the back scale and the hardware on the knife. That, is lying by omission.

4) In Your "Knife will come with leather pouch, box, cloth, etc." comment, the "etc" imply s paperwork, there is nothing else, just the paperwork(Certificate of Authenticity also known as birthday card)
You provided no Paperwork (Certificate of Authenticity/birthday card)

5) I offered you a way out of this by simply sending me the parts that belong to this $575.00 knife or give me a refund. You Refuse both options
 
Claim filed With Paypal, You misrepresented the item. You bought the sebbie on the bay #320806583350 replaced the parts you wanted and sold it as New to me for $575.00 on Bladeforums.
 
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I read thru the original sale thread.Given the evidence in the thread,it's my opinion that dinokay is 100% "in the right",if in fact SPYfanman replaced parts then sold it "as new".Then to further add insult to injury he did not send it with the proper paperwork as it was listed.

dinokay deserves nothing less than a full refund,& he did NOT deserve the retaliatory negative feedback given by SPYfanman.Afterall,dinokay lived up to his end of the deal & provided payment.

Here is the original sale thread. "TO BE USED FOR REFERENCE ONLY" As Esav stated above.DO NOT COMMENT IN IT.
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/916833-FS-Small-Sebenza-Damascus
 
Well, I hesitated for quite awhile debating whether to comment on what was obviously nothing more that thread clutter and thread thrashing. However, since the moderator so kindly took appropriate action and moved to a new thread, in the spirit of stating my side, I believe I have the right.

Mr. Dino,



I think if you insist on making what initially are private comments in private messages now public ones, I think it is only fair to present both sides of the story, is it not? So in the spirit of full disclosure, the other half of the story is revealed....


Here was my response via pm to your 5 claims :



Dino,


I appreciate your appreciate your honest stab at a rational defense though arguments you produce are invalid. I shall respond to them one by one:

1) New implies unused and that is exactly what was listed and shipped w/ exception of the mark on the clip which was noted in the listing. Later, you changed your mind and decided an " idaho made" logo was something you didn't want on your knife. Clearly, one can see from the photos the knife shipped out was the knife CLEARLY shown in the photos.

2) Many people like to offer the "gift" Paypal option as a means of not paying fees. Some don't and simply state "gift or add 3%". In this case and in most of my listings I like to give the buyer the option he or she sees fit.

3) "In the spirit of Full disclosure" was correct as it pertained to all the claims mentioned in the listing with regards to the condition - New vs. Used.

4) The knife shipped did come with all accessories mentioned w/exception of the Birthday Card. That is my fault as sometimes I don't keep everything organized when it comes to my knives. Later the card was found, proof via photo sent, and mailed out to you. You should be receiving it any day now.

5) You didn't offer a way out of "this" but rather were quite rude in your response to receiving the knife and the later changing your mind as to what you initially wanted when you posted "I'll take it". Before even contacting me about your concerns, you submitted a dispute to Paypal and then when I tried writing you regarding the issue, you turned it around trashed and cluttered my sales thread. This I am sure is not in keeping with Bladeforum's Exchange Policy rules. I was quite offended.


In the future I would respectfully suggest: Being totally honest with yourself as to which features and qualites you wish for in a knife when purchasing. Fully examine the listing including all pictures and captions with regard to the actual condition of the item. Contact the seller BEFORE paying he or she with any and all questions that might even remotely affect your decision with regards to your satisfaction when receiving an item. There is really nothing more to say and don't feel any further correspondences are needed on my part with regards to the validity of the claim. It is in Paypal's hands (where you wanted to take it) and I shall await it's decision and respectfully agree with whatever that may be.

Regards,
 
You can not cover your actions with words, words are for fools that listen actions are priceless.




SPYfanman said:
Well, I hesitated for quite awhile debating whether to comment on what was obviously nothing more that thread clutter and thread thrashing. However, since the moderator so kindly took appropriate action and moved to a new thread, in the spirit of stating my side, I believe I have the right.

Mr. Dino,



I think if you insist on making what initially are private comments in private messages now public ones, I think it is only fair to present both sides of the story, is it not? So in the spirit of full disclosure, the other half of the story is revealed....


Here was my response via pm to your 5 claims :



Dino,


I appreciate your appreciate your honest stab at a rational defense though arguments you produce are invalid. I shall respond to them one by one:

1) New implies unused and that is exactly what was listed and shipped w/ exception of the mark on the clip which was noted in the listing. Later, you changed your mind and decided an " idaho made" logo was something you didn't want on your knife. Clearly, one can see from the photos the knife shipped out was the knife CLEARLY shown in the photos.

2) Many people like to offer the "gift" Paypal option as a means of not paying fees. Some don't and simply state "gift or add 3%". In this case and in most of my listings I like to give the buyer the option he or she sees fit.

3) "In the spirit of Full disclosure" was correct as it pertained to all the claims mentioned in the listing with regards to the condition - New vs. Used.

4) The knife shipped did come with all accessories mentioned w/exception of the Birthday Card. That is my fault as sometimes I don't keep everything organized when it comes to my knives. Later the card was found, proof via photo sent, and mailed out to you. You should be receiving it any day now.

5) You didn't offer a way out of "this" but rather were quite rude in your response to receiving the knife and the later changing your mind as to what you initially wanted when you posted "I'll take it". Before even contacting me about your concerns, you submitted a dispute to Paypal and then when I tried writing you regarding the issue, you turned it around trashed and cluttered my sales thread. This I am sure is not in keeping with Bladeforum's Exchange Policy rules. I was quite offended.


In the future I would respectfully suggest: Being totally honest with yourself as to which features and qualites you wish for in a knife when purchasing. Fully examine the listing including all pictures and captions with regard to the actual condition of the item. Contact the seller BEFORE paying he or she with any and all questions that might even remotely affect your decision with regards to your satisfaction when receiving an item. There is really nothing more to say and don't feel any further correspondences are needed on my part with regards to the validity of the claim. It is in Paypal's hands (where you wanted to take it) and I shall await it's decision and respectfully agree with whatever that may be.

Regards,
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dinokay said:
You can not cover your actions with words, words are for fools that listen actions are priceless.
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I will not take sides here but I must remind you: on an internet forum, words are what we have to work with.

If you want actions, you need to tell us exactly what you want done, and tell us politely and dispassionately. More light, less heat, please. This can be resolved. Let's talk it through.
 
SPYfanman said:
Well, I hesitated for quite awhile debating whether to comment on what was obviously nothing more that thread clutter and thread thrashing. However, since the moderator so kindly took appropriate action and moved to a new thread, in the spirit of stating my side, I believe I have the right.

Mr. Dino,



I think if you insist on making what initially are private comments in private messages now public ones, I think it is only fair to present both sides of the story, is it not? So in the spirit of full disclosure, the other half of the story is revealed....


Here was my response via pm to your 5 claims :



Dino,


I appreciate your appreciate your honest stab at a rational defense though arguments you produce are invalid. I shall respond to them one by one:

1) New implies unused and that is exactly what was listed and shipped w/ exception of the mark on the clip which was noted in the listing. Later, you changed your mind and decided an " idaho made" logo was something you didn't want on your knife. Clearly, one can see from the photos the knife shipped out was the knife CLEARLY shown in the photos.

2) Many people like to offer the "gift" Paypal option as a means of not paying fees. Some don't and simply state "gift or add 3%". In this case and in most of my listings I like to give the buyer the option he or she sees fit.

3) "In the spirit of Full disclosure" was correct as it pertained to all the claims mentioned in the listing with regards to the condition - New vs. Used.

4) The knife shipped did come with all accessories mentioned w/exception of the Birthday Card. That is my fault as sometimes I don't keep everything organized when it comes to my knives. Later the card was found, proof via photo sent, and mailed out to you. You should be receiving it any day now.

5) You didn't offer a way out of "this" but rather were quite rude in your response to receiving the knife and the later changing your mind as to what you initially wanted when you posted "I'll take it". Before even contacting me about your concerns, you submitted a dispute to Paypal and then when I tried writing you regarding the issue, you turned it around trashed and cluttered my sales thread. This I am sure is not in keeping with Bladeforum's Exchange Policy rules. I was quite offended.


In the future I would respectfully suggest: Being totally honest with yourself as to which features and qualites you wish for in a knife when purchasing. Fully examine the listing including all pictures and captions with regard to the actual condition of the item. Contact the seller BEFORE paying he or she with any and all questions that might even remotely affect your decision with regards to your satisfaction when receiving an item. There is really nothing more to say and don't feel any further correspondences are needed on my part with regards to the validity of the claim. It is in Paypal's hands (where you wanted to take it) and I shall await it's decision and respectfully agree with whatever that may be.

Regards,
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Sorry if I missed it but did you or did you not replace parts and if so was it disclosed in the sale thread?
 
dericdesmond said:
Sorry if I missed it but did you or did you not replace parts and if so was it disclosed in the sale thread?
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Hello,



Yes, parts were swapped out only to enhance the knife. For example, a better lockup was installed vs. the one which had super late lockup and the part where the blade rests touched the front scale. Also newer-style lugs replaced the older ones to enhance asthetically the contrast of black and silver of the Damascus. Chris Reeve wouldn't have implemented these newer lugs into newer models had he not felt a reason for the upgrades. Bottomline is that all of these upgrades were done long before the listing was created and accurately depicted in the photos. I didn't see the need to state the obvious which was shown in the photos (for example, knife comes with 3 newer-style lugs, titanium scales, Idaho Made stamp on scale) as they say "A picture is worth a Thousand words". The knife purchased was exactly the knife delivered, nothing more, nothing less.
 
SPYfanman said:
I didn't see the need to state the obvious which was shown in the photos (for example, knife comes with 3 newer-style lugs, titanium scales, Idaho Made stamp on scale) as they say "A picture is worth a Thousand words". The knife purchased was exactly the knife delivered, nothing more, nothing less.
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So you emphasize full disclosure yet "didnt see the need to state" because you felt the pics did the speaking? Well, besides for the true obvious (sebenzas are highly regarded) I wouldnt of known it to be obvious. Bottom line, Bladeforums encourages undoing deals when parties are not satisfied. Regardless if you think you are right or wrong (Unless Ive misread I think you are wrong) do whats best and undo the deal and be done with it.
 
Your sales thread is a misrepresentation of the truth , this is not a New Sebenza, nowhere in your sales thread did you disclose the fact that you replaced parts from this sebenza. By replacing parts from any sebenza you void the warranty and That should be disclosed to the buyer so they can make an informed decision. What you did was wrong and I will ask you once again send me the parts that I need to make this sebenza whole or take it back and refund my money and we'll call it a day.

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SPYfanman said:
Hello,



Yes, parts were swapped out only to enhance the knife. For example, a better lockup was installed vs. the one which had super late lockup and the part where the blade rests touched the front scale. Also newer-style lugs replaced the older ones to enhance asthetically the contrast of black and silver of the Damascus. Chris Reeve wouldn't have implemented these newer lugs into newer models had he not felt a reason for the upgrades. Bottomline is that all of these upgrades were done long before the listing was created and accurately depicted in the photos. I didn't see the need to state the obvious which was shown in the photos (for example, knife comes with 3 newer-style lugs, titanium scales, Idaho Made stamp on scale) as they say "A picture is worth a Thousand words". The knife purchased was exactly the knife delivered, nothing more, nothing less.
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dericdesmond said:
So you emphasize full disclosure yet "didnt see the need to state" because you felt the pics did the speaking? Well, besides for the true obvious (sebenzas are highly regarded) I wouldnt of known it to be obvious. Bottom line, Bladeforums encourages undoing deals when parties are not satisfied. Regardless if you think you are right or wrong (Unless Ive misread I think you are wrong) do whats best and undo the deal and be done with it.
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It's not worth the aggravation in this instance. Under full disclosure I'm sure someone else will purchase that knife. The issues that are at hand aren't deal breakers for guys like me. Thats NOT a shot at anybody...its just that some people wouldn't mind the changes that were made.
 
I respectfully understand where you are coming from but I should have been given the option to purchase with full disclosure, not some lame excuse that he felt it was in my best interest to have the knife altered. This knife is not New, he replaced the front scale and blade with his used knife and calls it New, in other words, he bought this knife on ebay, took the blade and the front scale from the knife he bought on ebay #320806583350 put it on his used knife and is calling it New. What I received, is a sebenza that's been altered with his used parts, no birthday card and he did all this within three weeks of purchasing the knife from the seller on ebay, that is premeditated. Now you feel that with full disclosure he will be able to sell it at $575.00 obviously he does not feel the same way.



1SHOT1KILL said:
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It's not worth the aggravation in this instance. Under full disclosure I'm sure someone else will purchase that knife. The issues that are at hand aren't deal breakers for guys like me. Thats NOT a shot at anybody...its just that some people wouldn't mind the changes that were made.
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this is ridiculous. you altered the item based on personal prefrence and offered it for sale as "New". it was not "New" because you swapped out the parts.this might not have been as big an issue had you included the original parts, wich you did not. nor did you give the certificate of authenticity. you lied about the item, thus being in the wrong. now refund dino his money. its that simple.

you admitted to changeing the item, and giving a false description.

you admitted to accepting payment, and shipping out the item.

the client is unhappy because you were dishonest.

you retaliated by giving undeserved negative feedback to the client.

youve owned up to what you did, now own up to being wrong. give him his money back + money for shipping. and this will all go away.
 
dinokay said:
I respectfully understand where you are coming from but I should have been given the option to purchase with full disclosure, not some lame excuse that he felt it was in my best interest to have the knife altered. This knife is not New, he replaced the front scale and blade with his used knife and calls it New, in other words, he bought this knife on ebay, took the blade and the front scale from the knife he bought on ebay #320806583350 put it on his used knife and is calling it New. What I received, is a sebenza that's been altered with his used parts, no birthday card and he did all this within three weeks of purchasing the knife from the seller on ebay, that is premeditated. Now you feel that with full disclosure he will be able to sell it at $575.00 obviously he does not feel the same way.
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$575 ? No way! Sell...yes. @ a premium...no. My post however was not directed @ you, it was directed at your seller. I feel as you do...as everyone does...the knife should be returned and a refund given. It's that simple. BF rules apply...if both parties aren't 100% satisfied, then the deal should be undone. As to the count of negative feedback against you...that's just plain BS.
 
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