Ryan Posey aka SPYfanman-Where is the birthday card (certificate of Authenticity) ?

[dericdesmond]

I respectfully understand where you are coming from but I should have been given the option to purchase with full disclosure, not some lame excuse that he felt it was in my best interest to have the knife altered. This knife is not New, he replaced the front scale and blade with his used knife and calls it New, in other words, he bought this knife on ebay, took the blade and the front scale from the knife he bought on ebay #320806583350 put it on his used knife and is calling it New. What I received, is a sebenza that's been altered with his used parts, no birthday card and he did all this within three weeks of purchasing the knife from the seller on ebay, that is premeditated. Now you feel that with full disclosure he will be able to sell it at $575.00 obviously he does not feel the same way.

editited*(LEE (1S1K)beat me to it. You read him wrong) Dont stress it Dinokay. The feedback he left you is BS. The only way (IMO) that he has a chance at redemtion is to talk (type) less and MAN up.

LETS DRINK!!!!! (JB 1999-end of time)

 

[CWL]

That knife does not sound new to me. "New" means something coming from the manufacturer, without having been modified, changed or used.

If everything I'm reading is correct, that is a modified Sebenza.

Claiming it is still "new" is fraud.

 

[Tengster]

That knife does not sound new to me. "New" means something coming from the manufacturer, without having been modified, changed or used.

If everything I'm reading is correct, that is a modified Sebenza.

Claiming it is still "new" is fraud.

+1

NEW is NEW. No change of parts, no upgrade, no downgrade, no repair, no modification, etc.

And without birthday card is not considered NEW. Hiding behind the word 'etc.' ain't correct.

 

[braillediver]

Full Refund due to the Sellers Fraudulant Activities, Lies and purposefully missleading Behavior.

In the spirit of full disclosure

This statement by SPYfanman is purposely missleading and a Lie.


If you were so proud of the “Enhancements” you would have Honestly Listed them.

 

[SBranson]

I never comment on these threads but boy oh boy... SPYfanman is completely deluded to think he's in the right in this case.

To state this: "This one is new and and has never been used. Blade is perfectly centered and late lockup but still within normal range. In the spirit of full disclosure, there is a small scuff on the clip to which doesn't show up in photos." and then to sell a knife that's pieced together from multiple knives...???

What's even the point of including the "birth certificate"? It doesn't even apply any more.

Full refund, negative feedback to buyer retracted, heavy warning to seller (maybe even a ban if he continues to plead innocence)

 

[Bill Siegle]

Return the man's money and take the knife back. No other way you can fix this SPYfanman. The quicker you do this, the sooner you can start to rebuild trust with others on this forum.

 

[PitbullShogun]

am i the only one who understands this.

he doesent just have to pay him back the money he sent him. he also has to payback his money + money for shipping. why should he have to pay $10 for hastleand regret?

 

[SPYfanman]

Doesn't anyone have my back?



In my defense, I do stand by what I listed. New is "new", "unused". Non-new is "used". The knife CLEARLY shown in the photos is "new", "used". The pictures taken of that item where pictures of that EXACT knife which was shipped and received by Mr. Dino. There was no premeditated fraud, no misrepresentation of the knife in any way. The Birthday Card was found and shipped also to Mr. Dino with pictures taken of card to ensure proof and sent to him beforehand.

To the first poster who agrees with Mr. Dino and has every right to......The buyer did fulfill his half of the bargain by sending payment. As the seller, I also fullfilled mine as well by shipping the knife, the EXACT knife shown in the photos, to Mr. Dino. As far as the negative feedback goes, I had planned on leaving a neutral with regard to the transaction while stating my side. As expected though, the buyer left a Negative feedback to me. Feedback rating is not solely based on whether the buyer fullfilled his end of the bargain and seller his, by paying and delivering the item respectively but also the handling of the transaction, ie. lack of communication, obvious rudeness, etc.

 

[SPYfanman]

+1

It's not worth the aggravation in this instance. Under full disclosure I'm sure someone else will purchase that knife. The issues that are at hand aren't deal breakers for guys like me. Thats NOT a shot at anybody...its just that some people wouldn't mind the changes that were made.

I agree as well. If I could redo the original listing and modify it to include knife history as well to account for all parts, would I do it? Yes. Do I still believe if an item is ACCURATELY shown in the photos and that item is delilvered to a buyer then I fulfilled my end of the transaction? Yes.

 

[dinokay]

Negative feedback was left so you don't play these games with anyone else, it is my responsibility to protect the members of Bladeforums from delusional people like you Mr. Ryan Posey aka SPYfanman, I'm sure this kind of mess is not new to you sir.

 

[Burke]

Doesn't anyone have my back?

Maybe a bunch of people agreeing you are in the wrong (and nobody backing you) should make you re-evaluate your position?

In my defense, I do stand by what I listed. New is "new", "unused". Non-new is "used". The knife CLEARLY shown in the photos is "new", "used".

"New" has an implication of "from factory in factory condition" in addition to "unused." Maybe you didn't intend it to deceive but your use of the word does not match common usage. Stand by it all you want but understand that nobody else would use the language in that way. If I say "mint" and ship someone a well-used knife that last cut a York Peppermint Patty, it might be minty but my language would still be deceptive.

The pictures taken of that item where pictures of that EXACT knife which was shipped and received by Mr. Dino. There was no premeditated fraud, no misrepresentation of the knife in any way. The Birthday Card was found and shipped also to Mr. Dino with pictures taken of card to ensure proof and sent to him beforehand.

To the first poster who agrees with Mr. Dino and has every right to......The buyer did fulfill his half of the bargain by sending payment. As the seller, I also fullfilled mine as well by shipping the knife, the EXACT knife shown in the photos, to Mr. Dino. As far as the negative feedback goes, I had planned on leaving a neutral with regard to the transaction while stating my side. As expected though, the buyer left a Negative feedback to me. Feedback rating is not solely based on whether the buyer fullfilled his end of the bargain and seller his, by paying and delivering the item respectively but also the handling of the transaction, ie. lack of communication, obvious rudeness, etc.

I think dino went off the handle and a more coherent and respectful email would probably have gotten a more productive response. But you are in the wrong here. Refund his money and move on with your life knowing you did the stand-up thing. I'd leave a negative response too - if someone's first reaction to a problem is a Paypal complaint instead of a thought-out and respectful email, they're a problem buyer. You just happen to be in the wrong here also.

I agree as well. If I could redo the original listing and modify it to include knife history as well to account for all parts, would I do it? Yes. Do I still believe if an item is ACCURATELY shown in the photos and that item is delilvered to a buyer then I fulfilled my end of the transaction? Yes.

It might be "as-shown," but it's not "as-represented" (new condition). I'm not a Sebenza expert, I have no idea what thumb lugs were used when. But if someone sells me a new knife, I expect it to be in the exact condition it came from the factory without having to know what the factory configurations are.

 

[Bill Siegle]

Doesn't anyone have my back?



In my defense, I do stand by what I listed. New is "new", "unused". Non-new is "used". The knife CLEARLY shown in the photos is "new", "used". The pictures taken of that item where pictures of that EXACT knife which was shipped and received by Mr. Dino. There was no premeditated fraud, no misrepresentation of the knife in any way. The Birthday Card was found and shipped also to Mr. Dino with pictures taken of card to ensure proof and sent to him beforehand.

To the first poster who agrees with Mr. Dino and has every right to......The buyer did fulfill his half of the bargain by sending payment. As the seller, I also fullfilled mine as well by shipping the knife, the EXACT knife shown in the photos, to Mr. Dino. As far as the negative feedback goes, I had planned on leaving a neutral with regard to the transaction while stating my side. As expected though, the buyer left a Negative feedback to me. Feedback rating is not solely based on whether the buyer fullfilled his end of the bargain and seller his, by paying and delivering the item respectively but also the handling of the transaction, ie. lack of communication, obvious rudeness, etc.

New does not in fact equal unused. New is as it left the factory. If modify it, it will never be new or mint again. It's that simple. You listed a "new" knife. It wasn't. The only fix is to make the man right by retruning his purchase price plus his return shipping to you.

 

[dinokay]

I respectfully disagree with your assessment of what transpired prior to me filing a complaint. When I received the sebenza, there was the issue of No Birthday Card but there was also the issue of the Ti scales of the knife, the Ti scales had two different shades of Titanium Gray. The front scale with the graphic design has a darker shade of Titanium and the one Mr Posey aka SPYfanman replaced has a lighter shade of Ti. I can understand someone forgetting to put the birthday card in the box but to have two shades of Ti only means one thing-The knife had been Altered. I sent the Seller a PM asking him to explain(prior to filing a complaint) , all I got is pretty much the same as I'm getting now. Filing the Claim only happened after he refused to give me the parts that belong to this knife or take the Sebbie back and give me a refund. I did not file a complaint with pp before sending him a PM but I knew that this was not going to be a happy occasion for me and that he swapped out the parts, withheld the birthday card (certificate of Authenticity) all to cover up what he did (he knew he was wrong) and with no remorse continues selling knives here.



"I think dino went off the handle and a more coherent and respectful email would probably have gotten a more productive response. But you are in the wrong here. Refund his money and move on with your life knowing you did the stand-up thing. I'd leave a negative response too - if someone's first reaction to a problem is a Paypal complaint instead of a thought-out and respectful email, they're a problem buyer. You just happen to be in the wrong here also."

 

[kawr]

Doesn't anyone have my back?



In my defense, I do stand by what I listed. New is "new", "unused". Non-new is "used". The knife CLEARLY shown in the photos is "new", "used". The pictures taken of that item where pictures of that EXACT knife which was shipped and received by Mr. Dino. There was no premeditated fraud, no misrepresentation of the knife in any way. The Birthday Card was found and shipped also to Mr. Dino with pictures taken of card to ensure proof and sent to him beforehand.

To the first poster who agrees with Mr. Dino and has every right to......The buyer did fulfill his half of the bargain by sending payment. As the seller, I also fullfilled mine as well by shipping the knife, the EXACT knife shown in the photos, to Mr. Dino. As far as the negative feedback goes, I had planned on leaving a neutral with regard to the transaction while stating my side. As expected though, the buyer left a Negative feedback to me. Feedback rating is not solely based on whether the buyer fullfilled his end of the bargain and seller his, by paying and delivering the item respectively but also the handling of the transaction, ie. lack of communication, obvious rudeness, etc.

You messed with the Sebenza and completely voided the warranty. CRK hand fits the blade, scales, washers, and bushings together so you cant just freely replace parts on your own. There is a reason why your lockup changed drastically. Its a frankenstein Sebenza. Get that through your thick head. Refund and put this past you or your reputation here will be completely ruined. Also what do you plan to do with the other Sebenza that you took parts from to put on this one. I'm guessing thats going to be sold to some poor guy who has no idea what he's getting himself into.

 

[SPYfanman]

Maybe a bunch of people agreeing you are in the wrong (and nobody backing you) should make you re-evaluate your position?



"New" has an implication of "from factory in factory condition" in addition to "unused." Maybe you didn't intend it to deceive but your use of the word does not match common usage. Stand by it all you want but understand that nobody else would use the language in that way. If I say "mint" and ship someone a well-used knife that last cut a York Peppermint Patty, it might be minty but my language would still be deceptive.



I think dino went off the handle and a more coherent and respectful email would probably have gotten a more productive response. But you are in the wrong here. Refund his money and move on with your life knowing you did the stand-up thing. I'd leave a negative response too - if someone's first reaction to a problem is a Paypal complaint instead of a thought-out and respectful email, they're a problem buyer. You just happen to be in the wrong here also.

I appreciate and respect your advice. I would have to argue though with regards to the analogy of the peppermint patty. In it you refer to two different meanings of the same word, mint as in the flavor or perhaps color/ taste and "mint" being conditon near or better to excellent. In this case, the blade on the knife sold was "new" - it never cut a thing. However, better understanding the majority of population (or at least those commenting here) perhaps it would do more justice to the future listings of items that the word "new" also be used ONLY if the conditions are "new" and "unused" and "fresh from factory".

Ultimately, I think the bearing lies on what actually transpired vs. the condition of new vs. used. The proof is in the pudding, as they say. In this case the proof was in the pictures. Had a small sebenza Ladder Damascus be shipped to the buyer instead of the Spirograph or perhaps a small sebenza with dual-gold thumbstuds, then there is the case for fraud/ misrepresentation. Why?.....because those knives are not listed in the listing. Neither of those knives were the knife ACCURATELY depicted in the photos.

 

[SPYfanman]

You messed with the Sebenza and completely voided the warranty. CRK hand fits the blade, scales, washers, and bushings together so you cant just freely replace parts on your own. There is a reason why your lockup changed drastically. Its a frankenstein Sebenza. Get that through your thick head. Refund and put this past you or your reputation here will be completely ruined. Also what do you plan to do with the other Sebenza that you took parts from to put on this one. I'm guessing thats going to be sold to some poor guy who has no idea what he's getting himself into.

I agree that CRK hands fits everything. However, they also do to the highest of tolerances which could mean that it is possibly the only knife to which one would be able to swap parts out on their own and have the utmost confidence in the knife afterwards. In actuality the lockup didn't change drastically, however, it was enough to make me feel confident in standing behind a knife being sold on the forums. All the upgrades were done BEFORE the pictures were taken, the listing created, and the transaction occured. If someone happen to like what they saw and wanted to purchase it, then I would feel confident selling it.

 

[Bigfattyt]

Doesn't anyone have my back? Not even a bit. In fact, you have been added to my do not buy from for any reason list.



In my defense, I do stand by what I listed. New is "new", "unused". Non-new is "used". NOT AT ALL CORRECT! The knife CLEARLY shown in the photos is "new", "used". The pictures taken of that item where pictures of that EXACT knife which was shipped and received by Mr. Dino. There was no premeditated fraud, no misrepresentation of the knife in any way. There sure as heck was!!!!!! The second you pulled the scales off of that knife it was no longer NEW. When you started replacing parts willy nilly it was no longer NEWThe Birthday Card was found and shipped also to Mr. Dino with pictures taken of card to ensure proof and sent to him beforehand. This does not fix anything. Now he has an altered "Anything But New" knife, and a card that does him no good.

To the first poster who agrees with Mr. Dino and has every right to......The buyer did fulfill his half of the bargain by sending payment. As the seller, I also fullfilled mine as well by shipping the knife, the EXACT knife shown in the photos, to Mr. Dino. It is like arguing with a small child. NO, and again I say NO, you did not do your part. When you called the knife new....you misrepresented the condition of the knife. You also in my mind are required to describe exactly what alterations you made to the knife. As far as the negative feedback goes, I had planned on leaving a neutral with regard to the transaction while stating my side. As expected though, the buyer left a Negative feedback to me. Feedback rating is not solely based on whether the buyer fullfilled his end of the bargain and seller his, by paying and delivering the item respectively but also the handling of the transaction, ie. lack of communication, obvious rudeness, etc.

Just so we are clear, it is your quote, Red is yours also (highlighted because I was in disbelief). Blue is my incredulous response (blue to imply a clear, cool tone.....)

Let me get this straight.......In your mind, if some one catches you lying, and misrepresenting the condition of a knife, he deserves a negative feed back because he was rude to you? In my mind, you collected more money than the knife was worth due to altering it, and now you are quibbling about refunding his full purchase price. I will guarantee you something. Anyone with a mind who reads this tread, and particularly your responses to it, will forever black list you as a seller, and buyer............ Unless you man up right now, send him a full refund, get your knife back, and try for the next few years to cover your shame, by being overly meticulous about your descriptions of knives (especially any alterations or blemishes from now on. That might.........might save your reputation. I read the feedback, and especially these threads

The ball is in your court now. If you want to keep playing with the other kids on the playground, you better make it right.

I appreciate and respect your advice. I would have to argue though with regards to the analogy of the peppermint patty. In it you refer to two different meanings of the same word, mint as in the flavor or perhaps color/ taste and "mint" being conditon near or better to excellent. In this case, the blade on the knife sold was "new" - it never cut a thing. He is trying, without success to point out that you are misusing the term "NEW" Even if the blade "never cut anything" it is no longer a "new" knife or blade. You repoaced parts on the knife. IT IS NO LONGER NEW!!!!!! If I sell a expensive car as new, but really, I replaced the wheels, suspension and engine with ones I replaced (even if I like them better, or they look better, or perform better) the car is not new, even if it looks better, runs better, and is worth more. That is why we have language. You could have described the knife as "better than new" and gone on to list what you had changed, so there would not be a misunderstanding. However, better understanding the majority of population (or at least those commenting here) perhaps it would do more justice to the future listings of items that the word "new" also be used ONLY if the conditions are "new" and "unused" and "fresh from factory".

Ultimately, I think the bearing lies on what actually transpired vs. the condition of new vs. used. The proof is in the pudding, as they say. In this case the proof was in the pictures. Nope. only if you had included captions with arrows in the picture that pointed out everything you had changed. Had a small sebenza Ladder Damascus be shipped to the buyer instead of the Spirograph or perhaps a small sebenza with dual-gold thumbstuds, then there is the case for fraud/ misrepresentation. Why?.....because those knives are not listed in the listing. Neither of those knives were the knife ACCURATELY depicted in the photos. Again, nope. You are not helping your situation/reputation here by repeating a wrong headed statement. Again, Unused and NEW have different meanings. I agree, that often people misuse "new" on this forum.

 

[SPYfanman]

I appreciate the cool clear tone here. I will only comment on your last response as all the previous is merely subjective interpretation. First off, there was no lying involved as pictures do not lie last time I checked. If one can see something with his or her own eyes, does that not make it true? Of all the things not seen in the photos, they were accurately described. Parts were not swapped here and there and "willy nilly" but rather upgrading the lockbar scale. Again, CLEARLY shown in the photos. Was the negative feedback given because he was rude to me? No. If you clearly read an earlier post you would have noted my mentioning of planning on giving a NEUTRAL feedback. The buyer was the one to give the NEGATIVE feedback.

With regards to the engine swapped example I agree with you in the way you described what took place but provide a better example which more accurately reflects the situation: Take that same car for example to which I want to buy from you. Now, you listed the item as used as obviously it has been with a 3yr-old car (for example). The "used" issue aside, I like the car. I assume it is all intact and comes with everything that a car that make and model has. Those things which it doesn't are told to me or either in the sales ad. However, the bumper has been replaced with a newer year version because you thought it improved the overall styling and perhaps performance of the vehicle. Maybe it was even and aftermarket lowrider one which improved aerodynamics. Would you feel the need to tell me this? No. Why? Because it is CLEARLY seen to the naked eye. Even if I had no knowledge or did have knowledge of this upgrade and then agreed to purchasing the car from you because it drove well and I liked the look of it would I not be bound by that agreement? Would it not then be wrong for me to call you up a few days later or a week, after all the paper has been filed and payment exchanged hands and I say "Oh, by the way, this car you sold me doesn't have the bumper on it which came straight from the factory that year. I WANT A REFUND NOW!" And I proceeded in a rude manner.

As far as collecting more money for the knife, last time I checked retail prices for Sebenzas and even more decorated ones have not decreased in the recent years. Would CRK consider the upgrades to his knives less valuable and if so, would not those considerations be reflected in the retail prices? I certainly think so.

Just so we are clear, it is your quote, Red is yours also (highlighted because I was in disbelief). Blue is my incredulous response (blue to imply a clear, cool tone.....)

Let me get this straight.......In your mind, if some one catches you lying, and misrepresenting the condition of a knife, he deserves a negative feed back because he was rude to you? In my mind, you collected more money than the knife was worth due to altering it, and now you are quibbling about refunding his full purchase price. I will guarantee you something. Anyone with a mind who reads this tread, and particularly your responses to it, will forever black list you as a seller, and buyer............ Unless you man up right now, send him a full refund, get your knife back, and try for the next few years to cover your shame, by being overly meticulous about your descriptions of knives (especially any alterations or blemishes from now on. That might.........might save your reputation. I read the feedback, and especially these threads

The ball is in your court now. If you want to keep playing with the other kids on the playground, you better make it right.

 

[Wharn]

Hello,



Yes, parts were swapped out only to enhance the knife. For example, a better lockup was installed vs. the one which had super late lockup and the part where the blade rests touched the front scale. Also newer-style lugs replaced the older ones to enhance asthetically the contrast of black and silver of the Damascus. Chris Reeve wouldn't have implemented these newer lugs into newer models had he not felt a reason for the upgrades. Bottomline is that all of these upgrades were done long before the listing was created and accurately depicted in the photos. I didn't see the need to state the obvious which was shown in the photos (for example, knife comes with 3 newer-style lugs, titanium scales, Idaho Made stamp on scale) as they say "A picture is worth a Thousand words". The knife purchased was exactly the knife delivered, nothing more, nothing less.

Here's where you dropped the ball. You should always fully disclose the history. If something is modded or "enhanced" it is no longer in its original condition.

 

[zrfunited]

Spyfan,

Your arguments are rediculous. Your retreat to technicalities is extremely weak. Make this right with Dino and move on.