Ryan Posey aka SPYfanman-Where is the birthday card (certificate of Authenticity) ?

[l2lku2]

SPYfannyman, you are a piece of work. Give the guy his money back.

I will never buy from or sell to you.

 

[RWS]

Prisons are full of lowlives just like this turkey.

His response to this transaction is more indicative of the kind of person he is than any previous reputation he earned from his other trannsactions that went well. It's not how you act when things are going as planned, it's how you act when things don't. This transaction didn't go as planned. We can see how this boob acted toward it.

Spy, give the money back. Don't piss away your reputation for a few hundred bucks.

Don't you have any more self respect than that? Are you really going to f**k yourself over a few hundred dollars?....These are rhetorical questions. We know the answers already.

 

[jill jackson]

Thank goodness I am not on a ship right now as my next meal might just may be a load of barnacles and seaweed.

Seriously though, how does a proven honest seller with no record of misconduct or misdealings as evidenced by previous feedback end up being told he must walk the plank? Does all the blame of a bad transaction rest on one party's shoulders? Should an honest seller's reputation be cast out because one buyer decided to label him or her as a "scammer" or "swindler" and then take action to prove such? I would sure hope Bladeforums doesn't have a zero-tolerance policy regarding buying and selling practices. I would hope an honest person who has been proven to be trustworthy to be able to have some leeway should he make an UNINTENTIONAL honest mistake.

To all those who would like to my username on Ebay, why is that? So you can then also proceed to do what the original OP had in mind when he started this thread and tarnish an honest seller's reputation and good name just because you have nothing better to do? Right.


If it wasn't for this man's post below, I doubt I would be commenting again on the issue. Not because he somewhat agrees with me or defends me (as infact I imagine the case to be the opposite) but because he acknowledges there is two sides to every story, two sides to every case.



To Jilljackson, you might want to re-read the original sales thread before you make an argument. You would then noticed I never used the terms NIB or FRESH FROM FACTORY ( as newly quoted in my most recent sales thread) but rather "This one is new and and has never been used." What the gentlemen above so eloquently stated was simply ...aw heck, I can't even put it any better (hats off to you). To provide some sort of reference, here are direct quotes from the EXCHANGE POLICY:


Buyers - Be 100% sure that you can financially afford to purchase the item before offering to do so
1.Ask every question you can BEFORE the deal is agreed upon.

Sellers - Be 100% sure that you want to sell the item and are satisfied with the selling price
1.Provide an honest and detailed description.

It doesn't matter if one has been a member for a year or 10 years, that member, based on the above, should look at each and every transaction individually. The phrase "caveot emptor" comes to mind. (Again, please I am not using this term in defense of my past misgivings). Every single question the buyer contacted me with after the deal was done and item received was answered on my part respectfully, honestly, and in a timely-manner. I never lied about anything, not in the pictures, not in the description, and not in any private messages to which are now made publicly available thanks to the OP. There was never any intent to deceive, in any way, shape, or form any potentional buyers with my listing. I stand behind that 100 percent. Now, we can go on and re-debate the terms used in the original listing until the sun goes down but nothing will be said that hasn't been already.


Nonetheless, and this is a big one, NONETHELESS, I already CLEARLY admitted my mistakes with regards to the listing in previous posts. Why should I insist on repeating them because some members lack the comprehension necessary to acknowledge them. (Please, no offense intended) I also mentioned what I would change with regards to future listings, not because I want to "save what is left of a diminishing reputation" or because I was "caught in lies" (to which I thoroughly object and gave reasons above). Why then? Well, because believe it or not I do find it a privledge and not a right to buy and sell here on Bladeforums. If I didn't think it so, I would not have stressed the importance of respect and flexibility with regards to buyer-seller interactions. Since all my private messages have been made public, thanks to the OP, anyone can see for themselves and be the judge. I have nothing to hide and never have with regard to this transaction or any other previous ones.

Now, everyone seems to feel I am in the wrong because I am not issuing the buyer a refund. Any hand I could have in it is gone now at this point as the claim is in progress and the money already taken out and withheld on my side. I said it is in Paypal's hands because it literally IS. Back to the mentioning of BOTH parties involved, the reason it is there is because that is where the buyer preferred to take it. He preferred that route when he headed straight to a 3rd party before contacting me and giving me a chance to hear and reply to his concerns (I am sure he will object to it now though all the evidence has already been submitted). It is there because he trashed my original sales thread, chose to communicate disrespectfuly (which is a violation of Bladeforum's Policy I am sure), and abused the use of private messaging for his own gain to do nothing other than tarnish one's previously unblemished reputation. I am not, not issuing a refund because the ability is no longer within my power at this point to do so, but also because I am merely letting nature take its course. The course the original OP preferred. If someone comes at you with allegations and say they are going to take you to court and then later claim that because you didn't take mediation and then in agreeing makes you guilty, does that makes sense? What is an honest seller supposed to do other state his side inteligently and respectfully? Is he to remain quiet? Oh no, because then silence means one is guilty.

I think the issues are much bigger than this one transaction gone awry. One can only hope members will see this and learn something as buyers and sellers. A great reason to re-read the Policy Rules with regards to both conduct and listing specifics.
Buyers - be more honest and knowledgeable with yourselves as to what qualities and characteristic you are looking for when thinking about the purchase. Contact the seller before the transaction with any and ALL questions that might pertain that item if in doubt. If you receive an item and it isn't up to your satisfaction for any reason (even as illogical at it may seem to the seller), address your concern first with him or her, respectfully and see what can be done about it. Adhere to the forum rules with respect to conduct in doing so. Perhaps the seller believed he or she had listed the item honestly to the best of his or her knowledge.
Sellers- do your best to list the honest condition of item (both in photos and in descriptions) "to the best of your knowledge". Include any and all history if it pertains to that item. Communicate respectfully with the buyer as well and should problems arise, be more flexible in trying to reach an agreement best suited so that both parties walk away unscathed. The buyer isn't always right but in keeping with Bladeforums Policy rules, do your best to make them happy DESPITE how they may treat you.

Playing the victim isn't working out so well for you. Bottom line is the buyer is not happy with what you sold him and wants to return your knife for a refund. You can bull$hit all you want, but the BUYER IS NOT HAPPY AND WANTS A REFUND!

 

[338375]

Thank goodness I am not on a ship right now as my next meal might just may be a load of barnacles and seaweed.

Seriously though, how does a proven honest seller with no record of misconduct or misdealings as evidenced by previous feedback end up being told he must walk the plank? Does all the blame of a bad transaction rest on one party's shoulders? Should an honest seller's reputation be cast out because one buyer decided to label him or her as a "scammer" or "swindler" and then take action to prove such? I would sure hope Bladeforums doesn't have a zero-tolerance policy regarding buying and selling practices. I would hope an honest person who has been proven to be trustworthy to be able to have some leeway should he make an UNINTENTIONAL honest mistake.

To all those who would like to my username on Ebay, why is that? So you can then also proceed to do what the original OP had in mind when he started this thread and tarnish an honest seller's reputation and good name just because you have nothing better to do? Right.


If it wasn't for this man's post below, I doubt I would be commenting again on the issue. Not because he somewhat agrees with me or defends me (as infact I imagine the case to be the opposite) but because he acknowledges there is two sides to every story, two sides to every case.



To Jilljackson, you might want to re-read the original sales thread before you make an argument. You would then noticed I never used the terms NIB or FRESH FROM FACTORY ( as newly quoted in my most recent sales thread) but rather "This one is new and and has never been used." What the gentlemen above so eloquently stated was simply ...aw heck, I can't even put it any better (hats off to you). To provide some sort of reference, here are direct quotes from the EXCHANGE POLICY:


Buyers - Be 100% sure that you can financially afford to purchase the item before offering to do so
1.Ask every question you can BEFORE the deal is agreed upon.

Sellers - Be 100% sure that you want to sell the item and are satisfied with the selling price
1.Provide an honest and detailed description.

It doesn't matter if one has been a member for a year or 10 years, that member, based on the above, should look at each and every transaction individually. The phrase "caveot emptor" comes to mind. (Again, please I am not using this term in defense of my past misgivings). Every single question the buyer contacted me with after the deal was done and item received was answered on my part respectfully, honestly, and in a timely-manner. I never lied about anything, not in the pictures, not in the description, and not in any private messages to which are now made publicly available thanks to the OP. There was never any intent to deceive, in any way, shape, or form any potentional buyers with my listing. I stand behind that 100 percent. Now, we can go on and re-debate the terms used in the original listing until the sun goes down but nothing will be said that hasn't been already.


Nonetheless, and this is a big one, NONETHELESS, I already CLEARLY admitted my mistakes with regards to the listing in previous posts. Why should I insist on repeating them because some members lack the comprehension necessary to acknowledge them. (Please, no offense intended) I also mentioned what I would change with regards to future listings, not because I want to "save what is left of a diminishing reputation" or because I was "caught in lies" (to which I thoroughly object and gave reasons above). Why then? Well, because believe it or not I do find it a privledge and not a right to buy and sell here on Bladeforums. If I didn't think it so, I would not have stressed the importance of respect and flexibility with regards to buyer-seller interactions. Since all my private messages have been made public, thanks to the OP, anyone can see for themselves and be the judge. I have nothing to hide and never have with regard to this transaction or any other previous ones.

Now, everyone seems to feel I am in the wrong because I am not issuing the buyer a refund. Any hand I could have in it is gone now at this point as the claim is in progress and the money already taken out and withheld on my side. I said it is in Paypal's hands because it literally IS. Back to the mentioning of BOTH parties involved, the reason it is there is because that is where the buyer preferred to take it. He preferred that route when he headed straight to a 3rd party before contacting me and giving me a chance to hear and reply to his concerns (I am sure he will object to it now though all the evidence has already been submitted). It is there because he trashed my original sales thread, chose to communicate disrespectfuly (which is a violation of Bladeforum's Policy I am sure), and abused the use of private messaging for his own gain to do nothing other than tarnish one's previously unblemished reputation. I am not, not issuing a refund because the ability is no longer within my power at this point to do so, but also because I am merely letting nature take its course. The course the original OP preferred. If someone comes at you with allegations and say they are going to take you to court and then later claim that because you didn't take mediation and then in agreeing makes you guilty, does that makes sense? What is an honest seller supposed to do other state his side inteligently and respectfully? Is he to remain quiet? Oh no, because then silence means one is guilty.

I think the issues are much bigger than this one transaction gone awry. One can only hope members will see this and learn something as buyers and sellers. A great reason to re-read the Policy Rules with regards to both conduct and listing specifics.
Buyers - be more honest and knowledgeable with yourselves as to what qualities and characteristic you are looking for when thinking about the purchase. Contact the seller before the transaction with any and ALL questions that might pertain that item if in doubt. If you receive an item and it isn't up to your satisfaction for any reason (even as illogical at it may seem to the seller), address your concern first with him or her, respectfully and see what can be done about it. Adhere to the forum rules with respect to conduct in doing so. Perhaps the seller believed he or she had listed the item honestly to the best of his or her knowledge.
Sellers- do your best to list the honest condition of item (both in photos and in descriptions) "to the best of your knowledge". Include any and all history if it pertains to that item. Communicate respectfully with the buyer as well and should problems arise, be more flexible in trying to reach an agreement best suited so that both parties walk away unscathed. The buyer isn't always right but in keeping with Bladeforums Policy rules, do your best to make them happy DESPITE how they may treat you.

You keep mentioning you are an honest seller,.. You really need to find another angle to work, because that is a true insult to those of us that are honest. Maybe you use to be, but that has since changed...
It is bad enough that you knowingly decieved the buyer, but even worse is the fact you refuse to return his money, after you got called out on your scam...

You say you are an ebay seller. Why didn't you list this knife on ebay ? I haven't followed CRK's for awhile, but they use to bring good money. Especially if it is something out of the ordinary. My guess is you were afraid you would get caught, just like you did here, and maybe you have more to lose on ebay, than the minimal amout of transactions you have here.

I gotta agree with the others, I hope you end up walking the plank... Even if for some weird reason you did decide to return the money now, it is to late to save any of your reputation, because you have already shown your true character.
This is a small community, and people don't forget things like this.

 

[김원진]

i've read through most of this, but am i missing where his ebay name is posted, can someone shoot me a message as to what it is

 

[meako]

be careful what you say -spyflimflams logic would suggest to him that he is a valued member of the community. We have an old saying here in OZ-"4200 blowflies can't be wrong-it is S%$T"

Beyond!!! I guess he thinks people should be happy about getting the shaft. Also blows my mind that he can write paragraph upon paragraph in attempts to justify his actions but could not simply put 1 or 2 VITAL sentences into that "full disclosed" thread of his

Hi Spyfanman, we all see you, man up or dont let the door hit ya on your way out

Over 4200+ views as of now, most popular thread on the main page.

 

[Oldboy]

i've read through most of this, but am i missing where his ebay name is posted, can someone shoot me a message as to what it is

+1, I'd like to know as well. His reputation here is ruined and he may try to pull the same BS on ebay.

 

[linux_author]

i mostly lurk here on BF, but i must state that if i ever needed a cautionary tale about buying a knife here on BF, this thread is it - i'm surprised this has gone on for nearly 2 weeks...

the real problem, to me, is that it is BF's rep that has been tarnished... i empathize w/the OP, and i'm now kinda unsure about whether i'd want to chance doing *any* deals here on BF

perhaps it's best to stick with a dealer and a normal credit card transaction?

JMHO

willie

 

[jill jackson]

i mostly lurk here on BF, but i must state that if i ever needed a cautionary tale about buying a knife here on BF, this thread is it - i'm surprised this has gone on for nearly 2 weeks...

the real problem, to me, is that it is BF's rep that has been tarnished... i empathize w/the OP, and i'm now kinda unsure about whether i'd want to chance doing *any* deals here on BF

perhaps it's best to stick with a dealer and a normal credit card transaction?

JMHO

willie

BladeForum's rep is not tarnished by one seller that refuses to make it right. The overwhelming majority of people here are honest and would refund your money in a heartbeat, if you aren't happy with your purchase. A few dollars doesn't mean as much to us as our reputations! (and besides who wants to sell something and have the buyer unhappy? well, I guess there is a very, very few that would)

 

[dinokay]

Rest assured that this SKYhanman and every other SKyhanman out there will not find a home here on Blade Forums. This is a small close nit community were respect, honesty and a mans word count for something. Blade Forums reputation has not been tarnish but in fact enhanced because you get a chance to see how the members respond to people like Mr. Ryan Posey aka SPYfanman

i mostly lurk here on BF, but i must state that if i ever needed a cautionary tale about buying a knife here on BF, this thread is it - i'm surprised this has gone on for nearly 2 weeks...

the real problem, to me, is that it is BF's rep that has been tarnished... i empathize w/the OP, and i'm now kinda unsure about whether i'd want to chance doing *any* deals here on BF

perhaps it's best to stick with a dealer and a normal credit card transaction?

JMHO

willie

 

[Jroden5446]

Playing the victim isn't working out so well for you. Bottom line is the buyer is not happy with what you sold him and wants to return your knife for a refund. You can bull$hit all you want, but the BUYER IS NOT HAPPY AND WANTS A REFUND!

This. Just refund the money.

 

[scarysharp]

Thank goodness I am not on a ship right now as my next meal might just may be a load of barnacles and seaweed.


To all those who would like to my username on Ebay, why is that? So you can then also proceed to do what the original OP had in mind when he started this thread and tarnish an honest seller's reputation and good name just because you have nothing better to do? Right.



To Jilljackson, you might want to re-read the original sales thread before you make an argument. You would then noticed I never used the terms NIB or FRESH FROM FACTORY ( as newly quoted in my most recent sales thread) but rather "This one is new and and has never been used."

(EXCEPT ITS BEEN USED TO HOG PARTS OUT OF) is what should have followed the BS line above



Buyers - Be 100% sure that you can financially afford to purchase the item before offering to do so
1.Ask every question you can BEFORE the deal is agreed upon.

Sellers - Be 100% sure that you want to sell the item and are satisfied with the selling price
1.Provide an honest and detailed description.

It doesn't matter if one has been a member for a year or 10 years, that member, based on the above, should look at each and every transaction individually. The phrase "caveot emptor" comes to mind. (Again, please I am not using this term in defense of my past misgivings). Every single question the buyer contacted me with after the deal was done and item received was answered on my part respectfully, honestly, and in a timely-manner. I never lied about anything, not in the pictures, not in the description, and not in any private messages to which are now made publicly available thanks to the OP. There was never any intent to deceive, in any way, shape, or form any potentional buyers with my listing. I stand behind that 100 percent. Now, we can go on and re-debate the terms used in the original listing until the sun goes down but nothing will be said that hasn't been already.


Nonetheless, and this is a big one, NONETHELESS, I already CLEARLY admitted my mistakes with regards to the listing in previous posts.

But yet you will not follow through and make it right with the buyer!!!!






Why should I insist on repeating them because some members lack the comprehension necessary to acknowledge them. (Please, no offense intended) I also mentioned what I would change with regards to future listings, not because I want to "save what is left of a diminishing reputation" or because I was "caught in lies" (to which I thoroughly object and gave reasons above). Why then? Well, because believe it or not I do find it a privledge and not a right to buy and sell here on Bladeforums. If I didn't think it so, I would not have stressed the importance of respect and flexibility with regards to buyer-seller interactions. Since all my private messages have been made public, thanks to the OP, anyone can see for themselves and be the judge. I have nothing to hide and never have with regard to this transaction or any other previous ones.

Now, everyone seems to feel I am in the wrong because I am not issuing the buyer a refund. Any hand I could have in it is gone now at this point as the claim is in progress and the money already taken out and withheld on my side. I said it is in Paypal's hands because it literally IS. Back to the mentioning of BOTH parties involved, the reason it is there is because that is where the buyer preferred to take it. He preferred that route when he headed straight to a 3rd party before contacting me and giving me a chance to hear and reply to his concerns (I am sure he will object to it now though all the evidence has already been submitted). It is there because he trashed my original sales thread, chose to communicate disrespectfuly (which is a violation of Bladeforum's Policy I am sure), and abused the use of private messaging for his own gain to do nothing other than tarnish one's previously unblemished reputation. I am not, not issuing a refund because the ability is no longer within my power at this point to do so, but also because I am merely letting nature take its course. The course the original OP preferred. If someone comes at you with allegations and say they are going to take you to court and then later claim that because you didn't take mediation and then in agreeing makes you guilty, does that makes sense? What is an honest seller supposed to do other state his side inteligently and respectfully? Is he to remain quiet? Oh no, because then silence means one is guilty.

I think the issues are much bigger than this one transaction gone awry. One can only hope members will see this and learn something as buyers and sellers. A great reason to re-read the Policy Rules with regards to both conduct and listing specifics.
Buyers - be more honest and knowledgeable with yourselves as to what qualities and characteristic you are looking for when thinking about the purchase. Contact the seller before the transaction with any and ALL questions that might pertain that item if in doubt. If you receive an item and it isn't up to your satisfaction for any reason (even as illogical at it may seem to the seller), address your concern first with him or her, respectfully and see what can be done about it. Adhere to the forum rules with respect to conduct in doing so. Perhaps the seller believed he or she had listed the item honestly to the best of his or her knowledge.
Sellers- do your best to list the honest condition of item (both in photos and in descriptions) "to the best of your knowledge". Include any and all history if it pertains to that item. Communicate respectfully with the buyer as well and should problems arise, be more flexible in trying to reach an agreement best suited so that both parties walk away unscathed. The buyer isn't always right but in keeping with Bladeforums Policy rules, do your best to make them happy DESPITE how they may treat you.

Just because you think you pulled the perfect scam by mincing word doesnt make its right!

 

[RWS]

i've read through most of this, but am i missing where his ebay name is posted, can someone shoot me a message as to what it is

I think as much information about this knucklehead as we can get needs to be posted in this thread so there's no mistake in identifying him for the future. Of course, he'll just change his names and whatever else he needs to do to try and keep his "honest" bs reputation alive.

 

[RWS]

i mostly lurk here on BF, but i must state that if i ever needed a cautionary tale about buying a knife here on BF, this thread is it - i'm surprised this has gone on for nearly 2 weeks...

the real problem, to me, is that it is BF's rep that has been tarnished... i empathize w/the OP, and i'm now kinda unsure about whether i'd want to chance doing *any* deals here on BF

perhaps it's best to stick with a dealer and a normal credit card transaction?

JMHO

willie

i know exactly what your're saying but don't let this pos persude you to stop doing handshake deals here. Guys like this are real, but there are so many good people here to trade and deal.

 

[JTR357]

i know exactly what your're saying but don't let this pos persude you to stop doing handshake deals here. Guys like this are real, but there are so many good people here to trade and deal.

Agreed.I've had over 100 transactions here on BF & only one slightly shady deal.Those are pretty good odds.There's way more good people here than bad.

 

[dericdesmond]

i mostly lurk here on BF, but i must state that if i ever needed a cautionary tale about buying a knife here on BF, this thread is it - i'm surprised this has gone on for nearly 2 weeks...

the real problem, to me, is that it is BF's rep that has been tarnished... i empathize w/the OP, and i'm now kinda unsure about whether i'd want to chance doing *any* deals here on BF

perhaps it's best to stick with a dealer and a normal credit card transaction?

JMHO

willie

Ive had over 200 transactions here over my years, the only true bonehead Ive come across is now banned. This is a great place. Dont fool yourself, Idiots are everywhere.

*5100+ views. Keep it up Spyfanman, should be up to 6k by the end of the day. Better yet, Do what is right, admit to being a bonehead, refund the $, and start to rebuild. You are WRONG, trust all the long term members here when they say it, NOT a single person is embracing your twisted logic beside for the person who started this big ole mess, suck up the pride, accept defeat and learn from it, its not the end of the world.

 

[PitbullShogun]

honestly, im not suprized that someone would sell the're reputation for a meager $600.

 

[ooitzoo]

honestly, im not suprized that someone would sell the're reputation for a meager $600.

I am. He's selling his rep for $600 less the value of that seb (which is probably a fair bit). Personally, I cant think of a knife in production that I'd sell my rep for. Maybe if it came with jedi powers, a light saber attachment, and an orion slave girl.... Then again maybe not.

 

[338375]

i mostly lurk here on BF, but i must state that if i ever needed a cautionary tale about buying a knife here on BF, this thread is it - i'm surprised this has gone on for nearly 2 weeks...

the real problem, to me, is that it is BF's rep that has been tarnished... i empathize w/the OP, and i'm now kinda unsure about whether i'd want to chance doing *any* deals here on BF

perhaps it's best to stick with a dealer and a normal credit card transaction?

JMHO

willie

I know others have already responded to your statement, but I will too...

For the number of members here, it seems like the ones that go bad, is very small. Anytime you do a transaction online, there is a risk that something could go wrong.

BF's reputation is not hurt by this clowns actions. When there is a problem, the moderators will try to help sort things out, and fix the problem. Granted, not everything can be easily fixed, which seems to be the case so far with this disaster, but that is only because the seller is dillusional and refuses to accept responsibilty.

As you can tell by this thread, the members here stick together when things go wrong. If you do decide to buy here, use this subforum to research the buyer, and check their feedback.

 

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