Ryan Posey aka SPYfanman-Where is the birthday card (certificate of Authenticity) ?

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Luis G. said:
Issues I have with the transaction:
The entire sale thread was puzzling to me as a witness. The OP was careless in purchasing a $550 knife without much questioning or research which would have revealed the incorrect framelock, and some hardware. The OP knew exactly what he was getting, he just didnt care to research enough to see if the pictures shown are actually showing what he was getting was indeed New as per his own definition. I mean really OP? You buy a knife that you didn't do research on only to later find out it isn't original.

When I buy a knife, or anything I take the seller's description with a grain of salt, and I do my OWN research to find out exactly the condition of the knife (sometimes scoring a great find on a seller's bad description, only to find it's something more valuable with my own research). Spyman is NOT an authorized dealer, you CANNOT take his word as fact, period. Ask questions, get it in writting (pm/email).
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Bull, the seller said it was NEW as in as it came from CRK, the buyer is not at fault for buying the damn thing. If I put up a Sebenza and state it is new, a buyer should be able to purchase it and it be as it came from the factory. If it isn't I lied and I owe the buyer his money back. Don't try to act like the buyer was at fault, for the seller's dishonesty.
 
RevDevil said:
This guy needs to be pushed overboard.
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Normally I'm not one to jump on the 'ban' wagon,but this guy is soo thick.He can't even register the error of his ways.I honestly believe he thinks he's done nothing wrong & that's what's truly pathetic.:thumbdn:
 
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jill jackson said:
Bull, the seller said it was NEW as in as it came from CRK, the buyer is not at fault for buying the damn thing. If I put up a Sebenza and state it is new, a buyer should be able to purchase it and it be as it came from the factory. If it isn't I lied and I owe the buyer his money back. Don't try to act like the buyer was at fault, for the seller's dishonesty.
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jill jackson, the buyer is at fault for believing the seller instead of doing his own research which would of saved him this hassle. Don't get me wrong, this doesn't excuse nor nullify the fact SPY should have and still should reserve the transaction. The fault for this whole issue lies solely on Spyman and the carelessness is a totally different case then the problem of Spyman not wanting to refund.
 
Luis G. said:
jill jackson, the buyer is at fault for believing the seller instead of doing his own research which would of saved him this hassle. Don't get me wrong, this doesn't excuse nor nullify the fact SPY should have and still should reserve the transaction. The fault for this whole issue lies solely on Spyman and the carelessness is a totally different case then the problem of Spyman not wanting to refund.
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It doesn't work that way. People here buy knives NIB everyday and take the seller at their word.

Plus, doing all that research would take time. If a buyer sees a knife and wants it, he states "I'll take it" as soon as possible. Because it more than likely would be gone, if the buyer did not commit to buy.
 
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jill jackson said:
It doesn't work that way. People here buy knives NIB everyday and take the seller at their word.

Plus, doing all that research would take time. If a buyer sees a knife and wants it, he states "I'll take it" as soon as possible. Because it more than likely would be gone, if the buyer did not commit to buy.
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Agreed. transactions on BF are based on trust. When a party to those transactions cannot be trusted, that party should change their ways immediately and retroactively, or be made to leave.
 
jill jackson said:
It doesn't work that way. People here buy knives NIB everyday and take the seller at their word.

Plus, doing all that research would take time. If a buyer sees a knife and wants it, he states "I'll take it" as soon as possible. Because it more than likely would be gone, if the buyer did not commit to buy.
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And that's a risk one takes when buying anywhere. BF, fleabay or not, it's also based on trust. Once again this has nothing to do with Spyman's dishonesty and should be severely punished for it, I was merely making the point that buying a high end folder with no research is ill advised, specially when have to deal with trust-based markets like here.

Just some friendly advice for the OP>
 
Luis G. said:
jill jackson, the buyer is at fault for believing the seller instead of doing his own research which would of saved him this hassle. Don't get me wrong, this doesn't excuse nor nullify the fact SPY should have and still should reserve the transaction. The fault for this whole issue lies solely on Spyman and the carelessness is a totally different case then the problem of Spyman not wanting to refund.
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There is a lot of honor and trust here on BF, you are telling us to end this and start treating everything with suspicion. I don't want to work that way here on BF.

In addition, I'll readily admit that i don't know much about CRK knives, although I do know that they release a bajillion special editions. How does someone realistically keep up with all custom models? It would be reasonable to believe a Seller when he claims to be selling a NEW knife WITH the birthday card.

Realistically, have you or anyone else ever heard of this happening before with a CRK knife?

The seller committed fraud by not disclosing his mods to a knife that voided the warranty. Now he refuses to refund the money. People like that don't belong on BFC, certainly not to sell more questionable knives.
 
WoW! spyman,All I can say is there is no point arguing and splitting hairs with you.You believe what you believe or thats your story and your sticking to it, I disgree with you,so be it.You have post after post saying your wrong as the seller and to make it right.The bottom line is,if the buyer is unhappy,there is just no rational reason not to reverse the deal,whether or not you agree with his issues or complaints about the knife.So, a great feedback history is nice,but the real test is what actions you take in a situations like this.If you fail to act quickly here, and keep on yourself on your stubborn path,then we will not do business with you.Maybe that's okay with you cause you got what you wanted here on the forums and you'll keep it moving, but in my opinion a few hundred dollars is a very small sum to sell out your integrity for,my 2 cents for what its worth.
 
CWL said:
There is a lot of honor and trust here on BF, you are telling us to end this and start treating everything with suspicion. I don't want to work that way here on BF.

In addition, I'll readily admit that i don't know much about CRK knives, although I do know that they release a bajillion special editions. How does someone realistically keep up with all custom models? It would be reasonable to believe a Seller when he claims to be selling a NEW knife WITH the birthday card.

Realistically, have you or anyone else ever heard of this happening before with a CRK knife?

The seller committed fraud by not disclosing his mods to a knife that voided the warranty. Now he refuses to refund the money. People like that don't belong on BFC, certainly not to sell more questionable knives.
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Trust is earned not given freely just because they are a member of BF, imho.
? Your telling me one gives the same trust to a years veteran of Bladeforums the same trust one gives to a new member? No you don't I dont think many people here do trust new members, obviously if they have a history of doing good transactions as well as a LONG history of being a member obviously you are more inclined to trust them.

Actually the special coating mentioned on the sale thread is pre Idaho made if I am not mistaken. Don't quote me on that though.

I absolutely agree that Skyman SHOULD NOT be selling here in bladeforums, however a complete forum ban? I dont know.
 
Luis G. said:
Trust is earned not given freely just because they are a member of BF, imho.
? Your telling me one gives the same trust to a years veteran of Bladeforums the same trust one gives to a new member? No you don't I dont think many people here do trust new members, obviously if they have a history of doing good transactions as well as a LONG history of being a member obviously you are more inclined to trust them.

Actually the special coating mentioned on the sale thread is pre Idaho made if I am not mistaken.

I absolutely agree that Skyman SHOULD NOT be selling here in bladeforums, however a complete forum ban? I dont know.
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I happen to agree with you on the research portion of your statement. I personally would NOT buy a $150 (much less a $500) knife without getting all of the particulars out of the way. A simple email to find out condition/lockup/blade play doesn't take that long. If the knife is gone in the interim then so be it. These are knives (a hobby) and not the holy grail; it behooves the buyer to rush into anything.

That said, SPY acted dishonorably and is getting his just desserts. I don't know if he meant to defraud anyone but its definately a little shady. BTW, saying "its in Paypal's hands" its just icing on the cake IMO.

As far as a ban goes, well whatever. That's up to the mods but he did atleast attempt to make a good transaction. It'd be worse if the guy just took the money and ran.
 
ooitzoo said:
...but he did atleast attempt to make a good transaction. It'd be worse if the guy just took the money and ran.
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He attempted to make a good transaction for himself, not the buyer. So far, he has taken the money and run.
 
I collect CRK and know more than you think, I based my decision to buy this Sebenza on two factors 1) The people on this Forum are the Most Honorable and Trustworthy bar none 2) the term "NEW" and "In the spirit of full disclosure". This is a case of pure deception used by the seller to get the max return on the transaction (Fraud), I shouldn't have to ask the seller if they are committing Fraud.




Luis G. said:
I dont think this warrants a ban imho, a heavy infraction however is good to go. Now I don't know how the rules go as far as banishment but here's my two cents.
I will act as the devil's advocate.

Reasons for infractions against Spy:
#1 It was purposefully misleading and not disclosed that it was a modified CRK, NOT a NEW knife who's warranty is voided. This it self is bad, however a knife of substantial value was still given to the OP, it isn't a fake or counterfeit just modded and NOT as described. He could stand on grounds on the semantics on what is New but not original, however that is a dishonest however NOT illegal activity.

#2 The BF policy is both parties should be happy. If not, reverse the transaction or trade or find a suitable solution. This too was broken by Spyman.

Issues I have with the transaction:
The entire sale thread was puzzling to me as a witness. The OP was careless in purchasing a $550 knife without much questioning or research which would have revealed the incorrect framelock, and some hardware. The OP knew exactly what he was getting, he just didnt care to research enough to see if the pictures shown are actually showing what he was getting was indeed New as per his own definition. I mean really OP? You buy a knife that you didn't do research on only to later find out it isn't original.

When I buy a knife, or anything I take the seller's description with a grain of salt, and I do my OWN research to find out exactly the condition of the knife (sometimes scoring a great find on a seller's bad description, only to find it's something more valuable with my own research). Spyman is NOT an authorized dealer, you CANNOT take his word as fact, period. Ask questions, get it in writting (pm/email).
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dinokay said:
I collect CRK and know more than you think, I based my decision to buy this Sebenza on two factors 1) The people on this Forum are the Most Honorable and Trustworthy bar none 2) the term "NEW" and "In the spirit of full disclosure" threw me off. This is a case of pure deception used by the seller to get the max return on the transaction (Fraud), I shouldn't have to ask the seller if they are committing Fraud.
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Oh okay then.
 
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