Sad day for me a ZT lover...

[KELAMA]

And then you talk about Benchmade's INTENT when designing the blade versus ZT. Do you work for EITHER?! This is an insane statement.

I'm not big on straight up calling people out, especially Platinum members and given that I'm relatively new, but this whole post was insane, fact ignoring, assumptions-stated-as-facts, fanboy BS. There were several statements made as facts that were either blatantly untrue or that you obviously could not know.

I only read the first page, and was so irritated I had to immediately comment, but this whole thread (first page at least) just smacks of biased fanboy love.

^ The next time you get "so irritated," please take some kindly advice, & take a time out. After reading your comment, the only thing I found "insane," is your vocabulary, and your inability to rationalize an opinion in an effective, civil manner.

WELCOME TO BLADEFORUMS.

1. I don't know you, and you even admit to not being here very long, so trying to "call me out" isn't going to be something that is received very well from my end, especially when you're using rather aggressive and frankly downright rude ways to describe my post.
2. You claim that I don't know several things in this post, but rather than try and find information to contradict me, or even simply asking for sources or reasoning for my claims, you immediately mark it as "fact ignoring", "assumption-stated-as-facts" and "fanboy BS"...the smell of hypocrisy in the air is strong.
3. The fact that I am a platinum member here shouldn't have too much bearing on how we interact. In fact, I try to treat everyone here with as much respect as I would hope to receive from them, being fellow enthusiasts of the same hobby. That said, you have obviously failed to show me that respect, and have "called me out", so here we go.

And lastly for this part, calling my statement "insane" is both an incorrect use of the word, and frankly incorrect. Even if my statements are incorrect, they are not be any means "insane". I would suggest getting the dictionary out and looking what the definition of insanity is, because it certainly does not apply to what I have said.

^ I really wish I knew what to tell you, C! I've seen some very rude comments in my time, but...

 

[Charr]

I really wish I knew what to tell you, C! I've seen some very rude comments in my time, but...

Yeah, this one is up there...

I would really like to get the rest of my reply posted, but BF isn't cooperating at all right now...would you believe that I only posted a little less than half of the total reply so far?

 

[Danke42]

I'm envisioning a soldier trying to baton a 3 inch folding knife through an enemy combatant's arm, when all of a sudden the frame lock fails! The enemy combat raises his AK-47 and shoots the solider. If only the Department of Defense had issued the Benchmade Griptillian this soldier would still be alive!

Who can argue with that!

 

[FullMetalJackass]

 

[KELAMA]

Yeah, this one is up there...

I would really like to get the rest of my reply posted, but BF isn't cooperating at all right now...would you believe that I only posted a little less than half of the total reply so far?

Half? Your rebuttal post, was already a novel!

Fun Factoid: John Hinckley Jr. was ruled "insane," after his assassination attempt on former U.S. President Ronald Reagan.

 

[Charr]

Thank you for that picture. New favorite post of the day

 

[Morrow]

Keep this thread civil.

 

[mqqn]

And, we are measuring the tip of this knife

And and this knife -

?

The op was abusing his knife, on purpose, to see if it would break.

It did, and he came here to share that he was able to break his knife.

The tanto Benchmade, in a different blade grind and steel, did not break with what the OP describes as the same conditions. I'll take him at his word that the conditions were the same.

You abuse your equipment, expect it to break.

I can't see why these always end up in 6 page arguments, except to say that the usual suspects are out taunting the ZT supporters with their jabs. It must be attributed to jealousy at the market share / pins that ZT and KAI have taken from their favorite brands over the relatively short time ZT has been around.

ZT must be doing something right, the micro-climate of BF notwithstanding.

best

mqqn

 

[stabman]

And, we are measuring the tip of this knife

And and this knife -

Actually, the ZT was the 0620, which has a thinner tip...

I hadn't noticed before that it was the TANTO Griptilian being discussed...of course it didn't break!
That's the one you buy if you want a stouter tip, and it delivers. :thumbup:

 

[Colorodo]

And was being abused , so you want a stouter tip if you are going to abuse your knife?

 

[stabman]

And was being abused , so you want a stouter tip if you are going to abuse your knife?

If you want to pry with the tip, then yes.
Some people want to do that, and there are knives that will handle it.
Like the Buck/TOPS CSAR-T.
It has an astoundingly stout tip...but it isn't all that "stabby" due to extreme stoutness.
No way you'll break it though, unless you're huge, green, and people avoid making you angry.

 

[mjpgolf1]

This thread is a trip. However I will say that in my short time here there have been more threads concerning failures of Zero Tolerance knives than any other brand. There are a couple going on right now showing the lock bar sliding all the way over while being used. I forget the model they are talking about but it's a shame. I don't own any ZT knives and probably never will because I think they are way overpriced for the materials they use. Also it bothers me that you can buy a KAI knife at Walmart that looks the same as their high end ZT brand. I will continue to buy my Benchmade, Spyderco, and CRK and sit back and watch the ZT drama here. I do love the looks of the 0450CF though and if a nice used one pops up for a decent price I may have to try one. I'm not a hard use knife user so none of these issues would effect me anyway. I simply can't get past the price vs value for the money.

 

[stabman]

This thread is a trip. However I will say that in my short time here there have been more threads concerning failures of Zero Tolerance knives than any other brand.

The failure threads go in waves, and in many cases are related to how popular a brand is.

Heh, my favourite failure thread trend was Benchmade and AXIS lock springs.
I never had one fail, and neither has my father, and neither has anyone I know in real life, no matter how much the knives were carried or used.
But supposedly there was a huge bunch of people having the Omega springs break left right and center...but only on the internet.
It became an accepted "Internet Truth" that Omega springs were highly susceptible to failure.

I view many "knife failure thread trends" in much the same light...as in I take them with the entire annual salt mine production of Windsor's massive salt mines.

 

[Ruggdogg87]

This thread is a trip. However I will say that in my short time here there have been more threads concerning failures of Zero Tolerance knives than any other brand. There are a couple going on right now showing the lock bar sliding all the way over while being used. I forget the model they are talking about but it's a shame. I don't own any ZT knives and probably never will because I think they are way overpriced for the materials they use. Also it bothers me that you can buy a KAI knife at Walmart that looks the same as their high end ZT brand. I will continue to buy my Benchmade, Spyderco, and CRK and sit back and watch the ZT drama here. I do love the looks of the 0450CF though and if a nice used one pops up for a decent price I may have to try one. I'm not a hard use knife user so none of these issues would effect me anyway. I simply can't get past the price vs value for the money.

Overpriced for the materials?? Titanium frame locks with G10 or Carbon Fiber????? Name a US Company (or even another company in general) with cheaper prices that uses those materials. Even Spyderco charges $180ish for a Sage 2 and $300ish for the Slysz Bowie! (Which are both pretty plain titanium frame locks). And Benchmade wants $331 for the 761! Absolutely ridiculous.

 

[sharp_edge]

Nailed it. I dont understand on what the complaint of ZT overpriced is based, especially when compared to other brands in the same league.

 

[flarp]

I don't have a tanto Griptilian, but I measured the thickness of the tip of the drop point Griptilian (551) and 0620. Just for grins, I also checked my 0630 and Barrage (581). On the 0620 and 0630, it was measured along the spine of the blade (thickest point) 3mm back from the tip. On the Grip and Barrage, it was along the grind line for the primary bevel (thickest part at the point of measurement), also 3mm back from the tip. The 0620 and 0630 both came in at 0.98-0.99mm. The Barrage was 1.04-1.05mm, and 551 came in at 1.11-1.12mm. I did erase, re-mark, and re-measure each 3 times, hence the variances.

Here's where I measured each blade (blue dot):

Here's a shot from the spine of the 551 (left) and 0630 (right). The 551 looks thinner, but that probably due to the swedge.

I don't know how the tanto Grip differs. From the pics, it looks like the taper to the tip does start later than on the 551, so the tanto Grip may a bit thicker.

Regardless, when hammering the blade through a hard material, that's quite a lot of force being placed on a pretty thin piece of metal. I'd submit that it was more a matter of luck as to which tip broke (ie. going through a knot, twisting on a particular hit, etc.). If you really are in a SHTF situation and absolutely must baton through something with a 3.5" folding knife, then a busted tip probably isn't your biggest concern (and the rest of the blade is actually still usable as a knife).

 

[mjpgolf1]

Overpriced for the materials?? Titanium frame locks with G10 or Carbon Fiber????? Name a US Company (or even another company in general) with cheaper prices that uses those materials. Even Spyderco charges $180ish for a Sage 2 and $300ish for the Slysz Bowie! (Which are both pretty plain titanium frame locks). And Benchmade wants $331 for the 761! Absolutely ridiculous.

Titanium aside there are lots of Benchmade and Spyderco knives that use high end materials and even better steels than ZT uses for well under $200. Sure you can buy a ZT for under $200 but it will be a plain Jane G10 with S35v steel. Benchmade is using their CPM20 in quite a few knives that are in the $150-$200 range and that is a much higher grade than ZTs S35. You picked out just a couple of the examples on your end but what about knives like the Benchmade Foray 698 with its second to none quality and CPM20 steel. Or even the new G10 Griptilians with CPM20. Spyderco has their Gayle Bradley which is a huge bargain for the quality of that knife and ZT doesn't even offer any knife in that $130 price range let alone one with M4 and Carbon fiber (granted they are CF laminate on G10 but still extremely high quality). In my opinion there are just so many knives that offer high quality at that $100-$200 price range where to get a high quality material ZT you have to pay closer to the $200-$250 range and even then they aren't using the best steels that are available out there now.

I know we can all go round and round all day about who makes a better knife. Also I respect everyone's opinion and their brand loyalty. I just look at the total Value of what I can get for my money that I work hard for and ZT is not in my eyes the best bang for your buck out there right now. If I'm going to pay upwards of $250-$300 for a folder I'm going with a Sabenza or other exotic knife makers. Too much competition now.

 

[Ironbut]

OK, I'm a new guy here, but my interest in this thread pretty much ended when the OP decided to abuse & torture test his ZT & was successful in breaking it. I just decided to check again for anything new, since it's gone on for eleven pages. I can't say I've never broken a knife. I have, but I was usually using it for purposes that it wasn't intended........and I didn't blame the knifemaker for it.

 

[shqxk]

From Gaston's one-sided, myopic, and biased point of view? Good luck:thumbup:

Exactly what I thought...

 

[KELAMA]

I would really like to get the rest of my reply posted, but BF isn't cooperating at all right now...would you believe that I only posted a little less than half of the total reply so far?

Charr:
The suspense is killing me, C! I'd really like to finish your book today...provided that it's finished & edited. The unabridged version, please.

Overpriced for the materials?? Titanium frame locks with G10 or Carbon Fiber????? Name a US Company (or even another company in general) with cheaper prices that uses those materials. Even Spyderco charges $180ish for a Sage 2 and $300ish for the Slysz Bowie! (Which are both pretty plain titanium frame locks). And Benchmade wants $331 for the 761! Absolutely ridiculous.

^ It's apparent to me, that some people's minds have already been made up. long before they came here, RR!

OK, I'm a new guy here, but my interest in this thread pretty much ended when the OP decided to abuse & torture test his ZT & was successful in breaking it. I just decided to check again for anything new, since it's gone on for eleven pages. I can't say I've never broken a knife. I have, but I was usually using it for purposes that it wasn't intended........and I didn't blame the knifemaker for it.

^ Welcome to BF. Iron! :thumbup: It's always nice to see a newbie, with the ability to exercise some, "common" sense skills! :thumbup: I totally agree with your comment. I don't feel the need to do an abuse test on a knife, to know what the outcome will be.

FWIW: most of us aren't ZT fanboys. I do like the ZT brand of knives a lot...but I also like Spyderco, Benchmade, Protech, Microtech, CRK, Hinderer, Medford, to name a few.

Stupid tests= failure. :yawn: