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Nope. Most are good old S35vn, increasingly more in fact!
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Nope. Most are good old S35vn, increasingly more in fact!
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This is the new ZT 0909. The LINER LOCK is thicker than the G10! If that is not overbuilt then I don't know what is. The information in this thread about liner locks and frame locks not being strong is just absurd.
This is the new ZT 0909. The LINER LOCK is thicker than the G10! If that is not overbuilt then I don't know what is. The information in this thread about liner locks and frame locks not being strong is just absurd.
The issue I had with mine was not that the lock couldn't handle it... It could. The issue was, with these new steel inserts, the lock slips and disengages. The lock was perfectly fine, no bending etc, the frame lock didn't break. It slipped.
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Far too often I witness individuals buying these high-end productions/mid techs with the expectation that they're purchasing light sabers. Edges will dull, tips will snap, and locks will fail no matter who makes them or what material if you're doing things that are outside of the tool's intended purpose/range of use.
When I purchase a new knife I purchase it with a few things in mind:
Do I like the style/look of the blade
Will it serve its intended purpose/my intended purpose
Will I be able to maintenance it easily without voiding a silly warranty
Will the maker serve me once I have handed them my money
Other than that, I could care less about "super" this or "ultra mega" that. It's mostly hoopla. I've carried cheapo knives and I've carried customs, they both end up doing the same things and usually equally well. Especially when you can maintain your own edge and sharpen them properly.
Yes, some steels will possess qualities better than others but once you get into the 154CM range+ (concerning SS) I have a real tough time differentiating which one is which.
Buy the knife you like and use it properly. I don't see any reason to be disheartened by how the 0620 performed. It was abused. Why would you need to baton a log of that size in ANY situation? That's a pretty hugeeee stretch of the imagination.
When I purchase a new knife I purchase it with a few things in mind:
Do I like the style/look of the blade
Will it serve its intended purpose/my intended purpose
Will I be able to maintenance it easily without voiding a silly warranty
Will the maker serve me once I have handed them my money
Other than that, I could care less about "super" this or "ultra mega" that. It's mostly hoopla. I've carried cheapo knives and I've carried customs, they both end up doing the same things and usually equally well. Especially when you can maintain your own edge and sharpen them properly.
Yes, some steels will possess qualities better than others but once you get into the 154CM range+ (concerning SS) I have a real tough time differentiating which one is which.
Buy the knife you like and use it properly. I don't see any reason to be disheartened by how the 0620 performed. It was abused. Why would you need to baton a log of that size in ANY situation? That's a pretty hugeeee stretch of the imagination.
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Were you gripping your knife when you were doing your test?
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It slipped because you were not using the framelock as it was intended.
Not sure what you don't understand about your HAND gripping the frame helps ensure the lock does not slip.
Your test is invalid at best and something I am not allowed to say here in gennie dee at worst.
Not sure what you don't understand about your HAND gripping the frame helps ensure the lock does not slip.
Your test is invalid at best and something I am not allowed to say here in gennie dee at worst.
Hey lads... Calm down lol. I am not meaning for this to be a scientific experiment. I just wanted to see if the ZT 0620 would handle what the Griptilian did. There are many factors that I could of change, and honestly it was a stupid test. But, I thought hey... why not share my experience? I trust my ZT 0560BW with my life and yes, if I held the lock It probably would of taken it and not slipped etc. I was just merely reporting my experience flawed as it could of been. I still love ZT's.
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I've done plenty of stupid tests when I first got into knives.
Don't get me started on what I've used my Busse TGLB for! It has held up, despite all of the horrible "tests"
Have a good day and I also carry/trust a ZT0560BW. Excellent knife.
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That tip is pretty thin to be used for prying. And stabbing into wood and pivoting would cause a lot of knives to break the tips. Knives are for cutting. ELMAX also isn't the toughest of steels.
That's not a thin tip. Try looking at the tip of a Para 2 or a Military....or a Delica. The knife in the pic above does not have a thin tip. I bet you'd have a tough time breaking that tip. I don't mean putting in a vise to break the tip......I mean under normal use....heck even under "hard use". That's a pretty chubby tip.
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The very point of the tip is thin. That's all I was saying
This. It never ceases to amaze me when people are surprised that their "hard use" folder fails to withstand hard use. It is a folding knife, first and foremost, it is designed to cut. Not to baton and pry.
Batoning and prying is hard enough on fixed blades are people, like OP, are surprised when batoning buggers up their lock mechanism and prying breaks a fine tip. Bring a small pry bar and/or a sak
I bring a shard everywhere I go. It is an invaluable tool to have when it comes to saving that $300 knife...
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My two cents: Thank you Gideons! That was NOT a stupid test. Your testing and reporting of those tests have expanded my knowledge about two different knives I'm interested in and I'm grateful for your willingness to put them through the ringer.
This reminds me of the old NOSS testing videos that people loved to complain about. We all understand that some of you think that it's a "fantasy" to use a knife in a hard/fast/abusive manner. If you are one of these people - watch out - you just might be a sheeple...
Personally I really appreciate knowing what the limits are of a tool that I carry primarily because I might need it in a life or death situation. Testing helps me know what works best in a hard use environment because I realize that there may come a day (hopefully not) when I need to act like one.
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I looked at that tip and it sure looks thin to me when compared to the rest of the blade. Other knives may have thinner tips but the ones mentioned are thin all along the blade.
If that ZT had more of the meat of the blade in the cut then the tip wouldn't have been loaded up and it would have been fine.
If you're going out for hard use; no half measures!
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He said he did the same with a Griptilian and it's fine. Isn't the Griptilian's tip thinner than this ZT?
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Exactly. A valid test would be to first wrap tightly the handle of a frame lock folder with some paracord to mimic hand gripping. Then one can spine wack the knife all day he wants.
Is the grip a very thick blade that quickly steps down to a point?
The point's the thing; like Shakespeare said.
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Nope.
I don t think so if you batoning with this frame lock folder knive . Frame lock /liner lock too / is spring and will bend little when we make shock impact on blade and will disengage .........as if we held the knife upside down in hand and try to stab blade in wood . .............It s fraction of time and force is big ... lenght of blade act as a lever ......... no hand or cord wrap will stop that to happen .
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I wonder if people ever get tired of being wrong...
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