Sanrenmu 7010 vs CRKT Drifter

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Thanks for the clarification. I thought you were referring to Southpaws comments specifically about ZT. Turns out that his butthurt about ZT just reminded you of your own butthurt about me not preferring the exact same knives as you.

If you can explain to me how my elaborating on exactly which of your knives I wouldn't buy because they're too similar to existing designs will assist the OP, or any other readers, in deciding between the Drifter or 7010 I'll happily oblige. Same goes for the ZT issue. Otherwise, start your own thread if you wish to explore those topics. If it's compelling enough I'll comment there. As I've said, I've gone as far off topic as I'm likely to here. You aren't likely to change my opinion on that.

I don't know how much elaboration you need on your hypocrisy or how much I can offer. You ride a high horse when it comes to IP theft, yet openly engage in it. You chide others for trying to steer a thread and then whine when I don't post what you want me to. Perhaps it's the definition of the word that you're confused by?
 
craytab said:
Those two situations are not comparable. The Tuff Lite could exist without CS's over the top antics and hypocritical litigious nature. The 710 could not exist without them paying "homage" to CRK.

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OP here. I did say hypothetically...

I picked up a Spyderco Dragonfly 2 and a Case Teardrop Wharncliffe and I'm thinking about picking up a Three Tivers LTC Nomad titanium carbon fiber modern slipjoint, all legal in my community.
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Cory Hess said:
Thanks for the clarification. I thought you were referring to Southpaws comments specifically about ZT. Turns out that his butthurt about ZT just reminded you of your own butthurt about me not preferring the exact same knives as you.

If you can explain to me how my elaborating on exactly which of your knives I wouldn't buy because they're too similar to existing designs will assist the OP, or any other readers, in deciding between the Drifter or 7010 I'll happily oblige. Same goes for the ZT issue. Otherwise, start your own thread if you wish to explore those topics. If it's compelling enough I'll comment there. As I've said, I've gone as far off topic as I'm likely to here. You aren't likely to change my opinion on that.

I don't know how much elaboration you need on your hypocrisy or how much I can offer. You ride a high horse when it comes to IP theft, yet openly engage in it. You chide others for trying to steer a thread and then whine when I don't post what you want me to. Perhaps it's the definition of the word that you're confused by?
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So you refuse to back up what you say in the thread where you said them. Got it.

Instead you make personal attacks and accusations.

Then want me to create a new thread just to extract information from you.

Bizarre.
 
Armadew, what is your opinion regarding Spyderco, Benchmade, ZT, etc using these same companies that steal IP to produce knives for their brand ?
 
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Spyderco is up front about where the knives are made, what the materials are and the knives are Spydie's own designs.
Big difference, in my eyes.
Not sure the other 2 companies have knives made by anyone else overseas.
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LastRodeo said:
Armadew, what is your opinion regarding Spyderco, Benchmade, ZT, etc using these same companies that steal IP to produce knives for their brand ?
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Are they using the same companies? Or are they using the same manufacturing facilities that these companies also use? I honestly don't know.

As such, I don't have an informed opinion about it. I've only ever head about it in passing in the first place (and not about the three companies you mention), so I don't know how accurate the claims are.

If you could inform me, I would appreciate it.

IF Spyderco, Benchmade, ZT, etc. are indeed using the same manufacturing facilities as "the same companies that steal IP" use (what companies?) I wouldn't like it.

If they are using "the same companies that steal IP" directly to make any of their products, I would like it even less.

Would I boycott? Probably not. Not doing business with a company because they do business with a company who does business with a company I don't like is probably going too far down the rabbit hole.

I'll stick with condemning the actual thieves.
 
LastRodeo said:
Sanrenmu produces knives for Spyderco correct? I read that on the interwebs.
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Maybe the Byrd series?

My Dragonfly was made in Japan. I'm not sending it back (ie not boycotting Spyderco) even is SRM makes other Spydies in China.
 
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You added of "ifs" to qualify your opinion.

Let's be more succinct. If Spyderco contracts Sanrenmu to produce their Byrd knives , would you boycott Spyderco?

I'm asking Armadew.
 
LastRodeo said:
If Spyderco contracts Sanrenmu to produce their Byrd knives , would you boycott Spyderco?

I'm asking Armadew.
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You say "If Spyderco" I say "if Spyderco."

Still waiting on your evidence, or is this hypothetical again?

Anyway, I already answered this, no?

"If Spyderco contracts Sanrenmu to produce their Byrd knives," I wouldn't like it. And "Would I boycott? Probably not. Not doing business with a company because they do business with a company who does business with a company I don't like is probably going too far down the rabbit hole.

I'll stick with condemning the actual thieves."
 
Armadew said:
Are they using the same companies? Or are they using the same manufacturing facilities that these companies also use? I honestly don't know.

As such, I don't have an informed opinion about it. I've only ever head about it in passing in the first place (and not about the three companies you mention), so I don't know how accurate the claims are.

If you could inform me, I would appreciate it.

IF Spyderco, Benchmade, ZT, etc. are indeed using the same manufacturing facilities as "the same companies that steal IP" use (what companies?) I wouldn't like it.

If they are using "the same companies that steal IP" directly to make any of their products, I would like it even less.

Would I boycott? Probably not. Not doing business with a company because they do business with a company who does business with a company I don't like is probably going too far down the rabbit hole.

I'll stick with condemning the actual thieves.
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Where do you draw the line? How far down the rabbit hole is too far? Is an accessory to a felony a felon? Certainly could be. How about an accessory to an accessory to a felony? What if ABC Company knows that XYZ Company steals intellectual property and supports them anyway? How about the company that supports ABC Company?

Very slippery slope leading down to this rabbit hole of yours.
 
It would have to be hypothetical if I reference the specific manufacturer . My last name is not Glesser, so I cant say for certain what manufacturer in China produces the Byrd series.

I just wanted to know if you differentiated whether it was wrong for an individual to purchase a knife from said Chinese manufacturer from a company buying from said manufacturer.

You answered my question.
 
Armadew said:
"If Spyderco contracts Sanrenmu to produce their Byrd knives," I wouldn't like it. And "Would I boycott? Probably not. Not doing business with a company because they do business with a company who does business with a company I don't like is probably going too far down the rabbit hole.
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Sounds a lot like the gray area that previously didn't exist. ;)
 
I think what LastRodeo is saying is that IF Sanrenmu made Byrd knives for Spyderco, then purchasing said Byrd knives supports Spyderco directly, but still supports Sanrenmu indirectly. In this scenario you know your purchase benefits a known IP thief. So is buying a Byrd in this scenario the same as buying a Sanrenmu directly? For the sake of argument, let's assume the alternate choice of buying the Sanrenmu is one of their own designs entirely.

While we're at the IP theft thing ad-nauseum, can we at least compile a list of companies that NEVER stole a design? I think that list will be mighty hard to justify because even my favorite, Spyderco, stole the design for the bearing lock and even the profile of the Manix was stolen... Sorry I meant "inspired by". Only saving grace there is that Eric Glesser's stole designs while Sal did not.
 
What on earth are you talking about Cory? The imaginary make-up land hypothetical situation where I might or might not do something?

Also, what "grey area that didn't exist?"

If the make-believe scenerio were true, I would handle it in the same way I've always done.

I would voice my negative opinion to Spyderco for dealing with thieves, as I have done with OP.

You shouldn't support thieves. I won't boycott you or hate you if you do, but I don't have a problem telling you that it's wrong.

I'd say the same thing to Sal.
 
I think having to escape reality and enter fantasy land to come close to catching me in an "Aha, Gotcha!" moment should be evidence enough your arguments are ridiculous.

Guess what, though.... Even if I were a filthy hypocrite and have been secretly buying Ganzos et all for years... it still wouldn't make buying Ganzos et all OK.
 
Armadew said:
I think having to escape reality and enter fantasy land to come close to catching me in an "Aha, Gotcha!" moment should be evidence enough your arguments are ridiculous.

Guess what, though.... Even if I were a filthy hypocrite and have been secretly buying Ganzos et all for years... it still wouldn't make buying Ganzos et all OK.
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Exactly. Hypothetical fantasy land doesn't change what is right or wrong. We can "if" and "but" this to death, rather let us deal with facts.
 
JupiterPaladin said:
even my favorite, Spyderco, stole the design for the bearing lock and even the profile of the Manix was stolen... Sorry I meant "inspired by". Only saving grace there is that Eric Glesser's stole designs while Sal did not.
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What is your evidence?
 
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