Sanrenmu 7010 vs CRKT Drifter

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Some people can't comprehend these simple facts:
1 The 7010 may be inspired by the Sebenza, but has a distinctly different blade shape.
2 It's not even the same size. It's smaller than the 21.
3 Totally different materials and craftsmanship...
4 The under $10 price point makes it ludicrous to compare to a $350+ knife. If a person can buy the 7010 and be happy enough to not want the CRK, then you know that person was never going to buy it anyway. It's a totally different audience.

It's a decent quality blade for the money. I have one and love it for what it is, a budget blade. I've given a few to people with very light requirements and have gotten only positive feedback. If anybody wants to test that hypothesis that the 7010 is hurting CRK, offer me a Small Sebenza. If the 7010 truly is meant to replace it then I'll obviously not need to accept your offer.
 
JupiterPaladin said:
Some people can't comprehend these simple facts:
1 The 7010 may be inspired by the Sebenza, but has a distinctly different blade shape.
2 It's not even the same size. It's smaller than the 21.
3 Totally different materials and craftsmanship...
4 The under $10 price point makes it ludicrous to compare to a $350+ knife. If a person can buy the 7010 and be happy enough to not want the CRK, then you know that person was never going to buy it anyway. It's a totally different audience.

It's a decent quality blade for the money. I have one and love it for what it is, a budget blade. I've given a few to people with very light requirements and have gotten only positive feedback. If anybody wants to test that hypothesis that the 7010 is hurting CRK, offer me a Small Sebenza. If the 7010 truly is meant to replace it then I'll obviously not need to accept your offer.
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As stated I never had any interest in the Sebenza in the first place but this is one truly amazing post. I can't wait to see what kinds of responses you get.

Oh and here's another point. I'd rather someone purchase a 7010 or a Drifter (or better yet an Opinel) instead of one of those horrible and unsafe gas station/hardware store/ auto parts store knives like Stihl, Snap-On, or Smith & Wesson.
 
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I'm sure I will illicit plenty of hateful ignorance and elitist rhetoric from those that feel the need to justify their own preferences and purchases.

I find it pointless to defend any one company over another if both have stolen ideas then they are on equal footing. Benchmade fans love to claim some mythical moral high ground but face the facts, they used Sal Glesser's opening hole BEFORE getting into contact, and as I mention ad-nauseum, the Axis Lock is just a repurposed Colt cylinder lock. Putting it on a knife is considered innovation but it's still a stolen idea. Spyderco's Manix 2 uses a clone of that same lock, oh but they used a ball bearing instead of a straight rod, so holy crap guys it's totally original now! Right. Don't even get me started on Protect or any other high priced thieves. They all do it, so none of them have any room to talk.
 
Rip Gut 916 said:
7010 vs Drifter.....I would go with the 7010.
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I appreciate the advice, even moreso since you joined the forums yesterday (Congrats (?) and welcome (!) ), which means you missed most of the back-and-forth banter of the past week and a half.

What about the 7010 makes it a better knife than the Drifter in your opinion? Thanks, Bryan
 
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Armadew said:
Bueller?
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This thread is discussing the 7010 specifically. I'm assuming you're suggesting SRM is bad for using borrowed designs though, so let's just say if they copy from another company, but that company has done the same borrowing of designs, then it's a wash. Once ANY company does it, I see them on the same level as SRM. I buy what I like, and couldn't care less what other people think. Either design borrowing is wrong for EVERYBODY, or it's acceptable for EVERYBODY. A higher price tag does not mean a free pass logically. But again, this is a thread specifically discussing the 7010.
 
Once in a while a well spoken gentleman like bryan123 spawns out of nowhere trying to shine light on Chinese production in an effort for folks to purchase the knife. All this pretending of genuine discussion is hilarious and aimed to get you riled up.
 
Nah I don't think anybody is riled up. We all have opinions. I'm not afraid to go against the grain. I stick with basic logic. It's hard to find companies that can actually be original. All that said, I prefer Spyderco to most other brands. I have an Endura, 2 Delicas, and a Tenacious that I prefer above all my other blades. I find these Spydies to be outstanding users at their price and uniquely designed. I've had a Benchmade Volli and gave it away. I've purchased 4 SRM knives as well and everybody I've given them to has been happy.
 
There are those who believe that an original design they discover during their life should only be manufactured by that company,

and then there are the tens of millions of older men who have bought "homages" of iconic designs because they preferred the changes in the design, different materials, or simply didn't care for the original Brand.

If you want to be schooled on how little the knife industry could care less about intellectual property just surf the net and pull up all the American "clones" of the Buck 110 made by Case, Schrade, Old Timer, Colonial, Camillus, and a dozen others overseas, including Puma.

You can ONLY protect intellectual property by patent or copyright, good luck protecting denim jeans or canvas foot wear. Growing up I rarely wore Levi's or Converse, I didn't pull up a Zipper BRAND interlocking tooth fastener, and if I had a fever I was not given a pill manufactured and BRANDED "Aspirin." I got the Bayer version.

IP is an internet concept spread by loyalists who are intent on protecting the provenance and reputation of their pricey toys and who can't stand to have them copied so that anybody could afford them. They tend to work to prevent that line of thought promoted by Syndrome the anti hero - if everybody is super then nobody is Super.

I would suggest that if a similar knife gives good service for the money at $10 or $50 that using exotic materials and making them in limited production priced at $350 doesn't make them 35 or even 7 times better. And no one has yet proven it, either.

That fact seems to trigger some but I chalk it up to youth and inexperience. Play with knives long enough and even your favorite maker will step on your feelz sooner or later. It's going to happen - they do NOT let the opportunity pas to sell a knife if that style is making money on the market.

Terzuola was one of the first to make G10 scale knives, Walker invented the liner lock, it was just one more step to a frame lock, which makes ZT and Hinderer just as guilty as all the rest copying an idea. If someone believes the Sebenza is a unique and different creation, then explain why Chris Reeve never paid royalties to Walker for his intellectual property? Cause he never patented it. Open source and free to all.

Anybody own a Griptillian? Polymer one piece handle? Gerber did it with the LST. People who fail to study history will not understand how they live with what they do have. Most of what they wear, the tools they use, the cars they drive? Ideas copied from other people, financed using money from other people who expect profit from it.

The American Knife Business.
 
tirod3 said:
There are those who believe that an original design they discover during their life should only be manufactured by that company,

and then there are the tens of millions of older men who have bought "homages" of iconic designs because they preferred the changes in the design, different materials, or simply didn't care for the original Brand.

If you want to be schooled on how little the knife industry could care less about intellectual property just surf the net and pull up all the American "clones" of the Buck 110 made by Case, Schrade, Old Timer, Colonial, Camillus, and a dozen others overseas, including Puma.

You can ONLY protect intellectual property by patent or copyright, good luck protecting denim jeans or canvas foot wear. Growing up I rarely wore Levi's or Converse, I didn't pull up a Zipper BRAND interlocking tooth fastener, and if I had a fever I was not given a pill manufactured and BRANDED "Aspirin." I got the Bayer version.

IP is an internet concept spread by loyalists who are intent on protecting the provenance and reputation of their pricey toys and who can't stand to have them copied so that anybody could afford them. They tend to work to prevent that line of thought promoted by Syndrome the anti hero - if everybody is super then nobody is Super.

I would suggest that if a similar knife gives good service for the money at $10 or $50 that using exotic materials and making them in limited production priced at $350 doesn't make them 35 or even 7 times better. And no one has yet proven it, either.

That fact seems to trigger some but I chalk it up to youth and inexperience. Play with knives long enough and even your favorite maker will step on your feelz sooner or later. It's going to happen - they do NOT let the opportunity pas to sell a knife if that style is making money on the market.

Terzuola was one of the first to make G10 scale knives, Walker invented the liner lock, it was just one more step to a frame lock, which makes ZT and Hinderer just as guilty as all the rest copying an idea. If someone believes the Sebenza is a unique and different creation, then explain why Chris Reeve never paid royalties to Walker for his intellectual property? Cause he never patented it. Open source and free to all.

Anybody own a Griptillian? Polymer one piece handle? Gerber did it with the LST. People who fail to study history will not understand how they live with what they do have. Most of what they wear, the tools they use, the cars they drive? Ideas copied from other people, financed using money from other people who expect profit from it.

The American Knife Business.
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You're falling into the classic trap of not being able to distinguish knife styles from engineered design components. You make some "sort of" valid points, but confusing a frame lock with a liner lock flushes them all away with a broad brush. In the end you still rationalize manufacturing elements of the knife community that ultimately cannibalize the industry. I'm all for high value knives at all price points, but acquire them from valid contributors and innovators. There are better choices and those are the ones we should guide others to make.
 
I think he hit the nail on the head, on all points. The discussion was about style, not engineered design.. SRM & Sebenza looking alike.

He didn't confuse a liner lock and framelock, one was an evolution of the other. CRK didn't invent either.
 
craytab said:
And when I said the forum disagrees I was speaking of what is in the rules here.
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Thanks Mr. Wannabe Mod for speaking for the ENTIRE forum. I would never buy a Chinese clone but I would also not try to speak for the entire forum.

I read the rules regarding counterfeits and clones so please do not regurgitate them for all of us...AGAIN
 
coinbuysell said:
Thanks Mr. Wannabe Mod for speaking for the ENTIRE forum. I would never buy a Chinese clone but I would also not try to speak for the entire forum.

I read the rules regarding counterfeits and clones so please do not regurgitate them for all of us...AGAIN
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I didn't speak for the entire forum. That is what the rules are for :thumbsup:
 
Sergeua said:
Once in a while a well spoken gentleman like bryan123 spawns out of nowhere trying to shine light on Chinese production in an effort for folks to purchase the knife. All this pretending of genuine discussion is hilarious and aimed to get you riled up.
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Making an effort to convince folks to pruchase Chinese knives, or knives from anywhere else for that matter, was never my intent.

Are you referring to my tongue-in-cheek post that Sebenza owners might want a 7010 to serve as a "stunt double"?
 
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I'm not sure knives from China is the issue. Plenty of quality knives come from there. Cheap garbage steel not treated properly, stolen designs, and crap companies that won't stand behind their product is the problem. That is a company issue, not a country issue.
 
You are correct Cray. I'm not sure how folks know what is coming from which factory though. Hypothetical question.... Is the SRM manufacturer the same as the high end stuff? I sure as heck don't know. Sure could be, I've never set foot in a Chinese factory or seen ownership documents.
 
On the subject of helping, I found evilgreg's post to be more helpful than everyone else's posts combined. The only other helpful post was the one by Planterz that discussed warranty coverage or lack thereof.

Evilgreg was trying to help me; most everyone else IMO was trying to further their own agendas. Not that these's anything inherently wrong with that, but I specifically pointed out in the first post of this thread that I'm not interested in politics / intellectual property and that I'm merely interested in the knives themselves.

If you're interested in politics and intellectual property, all the more power to you, but you could do it on your own thread.

If anyone cares, and it seems that many of you do, I have decided that I will not be purchasing the SRM 7010, not because of its resemblance to the more expensive knife, but because of the lack of warranty coverage. I'll wait until Walmart offers the Drifter/Viva package and buy that, provided that the blade steel is 8cr13MOV or better.

I will then use the Drifter for a while (at home but not in the community since the blade is too long) and if I like it, I'll keep it. If not I'll gift it to someone who is knifeless but could use one, provided it's safe, of course. Oh yeah and who knows about the crazy local knife laws....


Armadew said:
Sorry, but that's not how discussion threads work. The thread isn't your personal property. If you post a politically volatile subject, you can't expect it not to ruffle feathers.
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OP here. Okay then. Now that it has been a few days and folks have had a chance to cool off, I have a serious question. This thread took off in a direction that wasn't the direction in which I was hoping. On many of the other online forums in which I participate, it is considered "bad form" to "hijack" a thread. Do you folks think that there are circumstances in which hijacking a thread isn't okay, or is this practice always acceptable?
 
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