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Sanrenmu 7010 vs CRKT Drifter
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Your thread didn't get hijacked, you asked for feedback on two knives. You can't selectively pre-screen opinions on a knife when some of those opinions are rooted in matters that go beyond the knife itself.
You also got a lot of feedback with alternative knife suggestions but failed to comment or respond to them. That kinda paints you as not terribly interested in feedback that you didn't want to hear.
At the end of the day, both these knives are incredibly inexpensive and probably don't deserve the time and energy they've gotten. You can spend just a few dollars more and do a lot better than either.
You also got a lot of feedback with alternative knife suggestions but failed to comment or respond to them. That kinda paints you as not terribly interested in feedback that you didn't want to hear.
At the end of the day, both these knives are incredibly inexpensive and probably don't deserve the time and energy they've gotten. You can spend just a few dollars more and do a lot better than either.
"Your thread didn't get hijacked, you asked for feedback on two knives. You can't selectively pre-screen opinions on a knife when some of those opinions are rooted in matters that go beyond the knife itself."
I'm asking a question about hijacking in general here. Since you brought it up though, in my original post I made it pretty clear that I was interested in a comparison between the two knives themselves without consideration of "matters that go between the knife (knives) itself (themselves).
"You also got a lot of feedback with alternative knife suggestions but failed to comment or respond to them. That kinda paints you as not terribly interested in feedback that you didn't want to hear."
Surveys consistently show that the vast majority of people are indeed not terribly interested in feedback that (they) didn't want to hear.
"At the end of the day, both these knives are incredibly inexpensive and probably don't deserve the time and energy they've gotten."
Given the length of this thread, it seems that many folks believe they do deserve the time and energy.
"You can spend just a few dollars more and do a lot better than either."
Agreed. Thank you. Better knives are on order.
I'm asking a question about hijacking in general here. Since you brought it up though, in my original post I made it pretty clear that I was interested in a comparison between the two knives themselves without consideration of "matters that go between the knife (knives) itself (themselves).
"You also got a lot of feedback with alternative knife suggestions but failed to comment or respond to them. That kinda paints you as not terribly interested in feedback that you didn't want to hear."
Surveys consistently show that the vast majority of people are indeed not terribly interested in feedback that (they) didn't want to hear.
"At the end of the day, both these knives are incredibly inexpensive and probably don't deserve the time and energy they've gotten."
Given the length of this thread, it seems that many folks believe they do deserve the time and energy.
"You can spend just a few dollars more and do a lot better than either."
Agreed. Thank you. Better knives are on order.
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Tech Support and help is a better place to ask about thread-jacking. That said, most us do not separate how a company or maker operates from their product. This was covered a while ago in said tech support sub-forum when an obvious white supremacist maker was coming under fire.
Like was said before, threads tend to go where they go. If it is not a complete stretch, the discourse can be very good, bringing to light ideas that were not thought of and benefiting more than the original poster. That is what a forum is for. Threads with such narrow focus tend to be less useful to the community. Looks like you got your answer. Report back with pics when you get the knife. We love pictures around here!
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So, you started a thread asking for feedback when you actually didn't want feedback beyond your pre-established frame of reference. I understand now. This was a validation request.
Here's my validation within the narrow scope that you're working in:
I think you should buy the SanRenMu. It's a better knife than the Drifter by a narrow margin. If lack of warranty service is scaring you away from a $10 knife, you're doing it wrong. You would not spend $12 to ship off a broken $10 knife. If you buy the SanRenMu, you'll get $15 worth of knife for $10. If it breaks, throw it away and buy another. They come in several different colors so that each purchase feels like a new experience.
There's my feedback with no moral, political or ethical factors to cloud the waters. Bear in mind, this leaves you with a very incomplete comparison of the knives.
Your question about thread etiquette is probably best for Tech Support or Feedback
There was also quite a bit of positive feedback. Sanrenmu often gets caught up in the animosity inspired by companies which commit more egregious offenses. It's an $8 knife which is as good as many knives costing at least twice that, no more or less.
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try it, love it or hate it. 8$ not worth of 9 pages of discussion!
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I've had a Drifter and gave it away. I have a 7010 still and have given a few as gifts and not one person has been disappointed in the least. Just get the SRM and forget the haters man! Which one did the other member don't remember who but somebody was sending you one or the other. Which was it? You'll like either. Main difference is the recurve of the Drifter.
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I'm still just trying to figure out what actual model(s) ZT ripped off, and why Corey keeps tapdancing around answering what his criteria actually IS, for what is and is not a clone/copy/counterfeit????????
So far all I see are blanket accusatory statements with some vague personal code being applied.
To answer the OP's original question though....
Get a Kershaw. It has one of the best warranties in the industry, and does it's best to be up front and honest about the products it puts forth.
If it has to be either or, I would take the CRKT for similar reasons. If something goes wrong (and considering the build quality, it is a probability), there should be a piece of mind knowing that you can do more than just throw the knife away (SRM) if something goes wrong.
So far all I see are blanket accusatory statements with some vague personal code being applied.
To answer the OP's original question though....
Get a Kershaw. It has one of the best warranties in the industry, and does it's best to be up front and honest about the products it puts forth.
If it has to be either or, I would take the CRKT for similar reasons. If something goes wrong (and considering the build quality, it is a probability), there should be a piece of mind knowing that you can do more than just throw the knife away (SRM) if something goes wrong.
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He did say "Politics, legalities and intellectual property factors aside".
The knives are both made by Sanrenmu IIRC, so pick the design you like better. Same quality...
OP here. Good morning.
On a different thread on this forum a few days ago, you said that you wouldn't recommend the Cold Steel Tuff Lite because of Cold Steel's business practices.
I then asked you if hypothetically the Tuff Lite were made by a different company would you recommend it and you replied, "Yes 100% hypothetically...".
So, hypothetically, if the CRK Sebenza never existed but the SRM 7010 did exist in its present form, would you say that it's a nice inexpensive knife?
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I'm flattered that a throwaway comment I made over 2 weeks ago still holds so much influence over you. However, you're likely to go unsatisfied. Whether you're hoping for 9 more pages of people failing to convince each other of anything or you're just enthralled by my personal shopping habits neither is the subject of this thread. I've gone as far off-topic as I'm likely to go.
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Those two situations are not comparable. The Tuff Lite could exist without CS's over the top antics and hypocritical litigious nature. The 710 could not exist without them paying "homage" to CRK.
If you want to stay out of this (like you said) then ignore it. You've made your choice, right? I'd suggest moving on.
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Hypothetically... if Sanrenmu never stole any designs I wouldn't have a problem with them. But they did. So I do.
Hypothetically, if Chris Williams told nothing but the truth and actually made his own knives, and hypothetically they were of good quality, I would recommend them too.
Hypothetically Hypothetically Hypothetically
I don't like Cold Steel for their marketing and I think the owner is a bozo. Those are my opinions. Others can agree or not. The fact is Sanrenmu are thieves. Whether you disagree or not.
Thieves suck. Therefore Sanrenmu Sucks. Therefore I cannot recommend the 710.
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You made accusations, then refused to back them up. I hear these arguments all the time and NO ONE has been able to give me any examples when I ask. Then some of them go on and use the same arguments in other threads even though they can never back it up. Trying to influence new members to their side.
It's frustrating. And pathetic. Put your money where your mouth is, or close your mouth. Simple.
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What exact accusations did I make in this regard? I said that ZT's designs are too similar to others for my tastes. It's the truth. I don't know which new members you are talking about, and I don't believe that I've influenced any of them. I wasn't even aware that I had a side.
I have no doubt that you're frustrated. I believe that it's the greatest motivator behind many of your posts. I truly hope that you solve that issue, though I doubt that I can be of much help on that front. Your frustrations existed before we crossed paths and will continue long after we've forgotten each other. That being said, I do find this post intriguing given that you're among those that have lectured the OP on accepting whatever opinions are shared and not trying to steer threads in the direction of his choice. It seems that your hypocrisy knows no bounds.
I do put my money where my mouth is. I buy the knives that I prefer and steer clear of those that I don't. Thanks for the suggestion, however unnecessary. As for closing my mouth, I don't believe that you have the authority to issue that order. As such I will give it all due consideration and completely disregard it.
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What exact accusations did I make in this regard? I said that ZT's designs are too similar to others for my tastes. It's the truth. I don't know which new members you are talking about, and I don't believe that I've influenced any of them. I wasn't even aware that I had a side.
I have no doubt that you're frustrated. I believe that it's the greatest motivator behind many of your posts. I truly hope that you solve that issue, though I doubt that I can be of much help on that front. Your frustrations existed before we crossed paths and will continue long after we've forgotten each other. That being said, I do find this post intriguing given that you're among those that have lectured the OP on accepting whatever opinions are shared and not trying to steer threads in the direction of his choice. It seems that your hypocrisy knows no bounds.
I do put my money where my mouth is. I buy the knives that I prefer and steer clear of those that I don't. Thanks for the suggestion, however unnecessary. As for closing my mouth, I don't believe that you have the authority to issue that order. As such I will give it all due consideration and completely disregard it.
You accused me of buying a bunch of knives that used stolen designs. Which ones? Why?
You say ZT designs are too similar to other designs. Which ones? Why?
I didn't accuse you directly of trying to influence members. That's why I said "then some of them" not "you." I was referring to others who like to use similar arguments then don't back them up, then go on to spout their nonsense everywhere. Sorry if that wasn't clear.
I also wasn't telling you to close your mouth in general. I was telling you that if you are going to make accusations, back them up. Or don't make accusations.
If you can't back up your opinions with any basis, your opinions are meaningless (in my opinion).
"you're among those that have lectured the OP on accepting whatever opinions are shared and not trying to steer threads in the direction of his choice. It seems that your hypocrisy knows no bounds."
It's twice you've accused me with hypocrisy. Care to elaborate? Unlikely.
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