SanRenMu 710

[Ankerson]

[OT]
A melodramatic touch, but the reality stays - you started it, you got to end it. Meanwhile, kids in the US are much better than those found in 3rd world countries. Have you seen real hunger? And what it looks like? Probably not.

Yeah I have seen it up close.

I have been around, just not in the US either.

Talking about Weapons etc...

Who do you think benefits the most from selling them.....

It's not the Government.... Or the Citizens...

It's the Rich Fat Cats that have sold us out are the ones who keep getting richer and they will continue to do so.

They get richer and fatter.... While the normal ave people are trying to get by.

Yeah they get their huge Bonuses and Kick Backs while the ave worker can't get a lousy $ .25 an hour raise because it's not in the budget.

 

[cziv]

[OT]
A melodramatic touch, but the reality stays - you started it, you got to end it. Meanwhile, kids in the US are much better than those found in 3rd world countries. Have you seen real hunger? And what it looks like? Probably not.

You make guns, sell them to 3rd world countries, and then bitch and moan when these are used to kill your people. Ironic?

Again, you started it, you got to end it. Your people suffer because of the policies your government has - it has nothing to do with what IP stealing or copying that happens in 3rd world countries. Its just an excuse and a lie that is being systematically fed to your generations, so that real causes of unemployment remain hidden.

I can go on with this rant, but enough wise people understand who the real culprit is, and I need not say more.
[/OT]

Meanwhile, SRM 710 that I have is the best knife at that price point.

-Amarendra

Are you suggesting another revolutionary war Amarendra? That's about what it would take to change anything in the present day USA. We have "bad party A" and "bad party B" one politcal representative will get money from one special interest group if he/she votes one way or get money from the opposing special interest group of he/she votes the other way.

The big picture is very clear - at least to me - and probably millions of others. Our current Government with some exceptions, is totally corrupt.

Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. We need to kick the entire legislative branch to the curb.

I'm not a radical, but an older man getting ready to retire and face the grim reality that I'll have to work part-time while enjoying my "not so golden" years, until SS goes bankrupt and I have to work full tome in my late 60's or 70's.

The American people have grown complacent but money and greed never sleeps.....I'll shut up now.

The SRM 710 is still CCC that works okay for $10 though.

 

[Ankerson]

Are you suggesting another revolutionary war Amarendra? That's about what it would take to change anything in the present day USA. We have "bad party A" and "bad party B" one politcal representative will get money from one special interest group if he/she votes one way or get money from the opposing special interest group of he/she votes the other way.

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Yeah and who do those Lobbyists work for.

The Corporations......

It all comes right back around to them.

 

[wongKI]

Uh, how did the thread get to this?

Not all too hard to foresee though. Perhaps we can get it closed now-I sincerely doubt any more information on-topic is going to be shared.

 

[Ankerson]

Uh, how did the thread get to this?

Not all too hard to foresee though. Perhaps we can get it closed now-I sincerely doubt any more information on-topic is going to be shared.

It was headed this way from the 1st post, it was just a matter of time.

 

[STR]

You guys are drifting off in to politics now and current events topics. This is the general 'knife' discussion so lets keep it on the topic of knives before a super moves the thread. Well, I mean if that matters to you. If not then keep going where you are headed because its drifting off to other areas and it will be moved if it continues.

I find it amazing that so many people are threatened by a lowly knife forgetting that many of the folks buying them do so from US companies. So someone in the US benefits in some way from the money spent. Goods are exchanged, goods are used, and replaced so whats the problem really outside of where the goods ultimately come from? And is that really a problem or do people just make it one out of their own insecurity and jealousy? These are all questions that only an individual can answer. Personally I'm not threatened or concerned about a San Ren Mu knife being sold here or the fact that I've bought them. I've also bought many US made knives, Japanese knives, and knives from all manner of custom makers from South Africa to Australia, to Germany and Taiwan as well as the good ole USA. Something comes to mind here from CCD classes in school that is worth trying to repeat. Stop telling me about the splinter in my eye when you can't even see the log stuck in your own. Or something like that.

STR

 

[Ankerson]

You guys are drifting off in to politics now and current events topics. This is the general 'knife' discussion so lets keep it on the topic of knives before a super moves the thread. Well, I mean if that matters to you. If not then keep going where you are headed because its drifting off to other areas and it will be moved if it continues.

I find it amazing that so many people are threatened by a lowly knife forgetting that many of the folks buying them do so from US companies. So someone in the US benefits in some way from the money spent. Goods are exchanged, goods are used, and replaced so whats the problem really outside of where the goods ultimately come from? And is that really a problem or do people just make it one out of their own insecurity and jealousy? These are all questions that only an individual can answer. Personally I'm not threatened or concerned about a San Ren Mu knife being sold here or the fact that I've bought them. I've also bought many US made knives, Japanese knives, and knives from all manner of custom makers from South Africa to Australia, to Germany and Taiwan as well as the good ole USA. Something comes to mind here from CCD classes in school that is worth trying to repeat. Stop telling me about the splinter in my eye when you can't even see the log stuck in your own. Or something like that.

STR

Yeah I could care less about this knife, it really doesn't bother me, or even were it comes from personally.

It's the people who walk around with blinders on and have tunnel vision that bothers me. LOL

The Frog in the Boiling Pot of water thing.....

In the end if they can make a knife that cheap with the quality and F&F that they have while others selling for 10X more aren't even close there is a real problem.

 

[dawsonbob]

I also posted this in another thread.

Well, I finally got my Sanrenmu 710 in the mail yesterday. Now I can decide for myself whether I think it lives up to all the hoopla. Here are my thoughts so far.

The knife came nicely packaged, with no damage to the packing. Not everything I’ve ever received has been packaged this well.

Taking it out of the box, it looked pretty good . . . but that doesn’t always mean anything. I gave it a very close inspection, and was very impressed with the fit and finish, which is better than some knives I have which cost much more. Others have commented on this, which is one of the things that prompted me to buy this knife, but you never really appreciate just how good it is until you hold the knife yourself.

Everything is tight, the edges are all smoothed, the clip is well attached, and the blade is very well centered. The movement of the blade when opening is a little tighter than I would like, but I suspect that a little mineral oil will cure that. When fully opened the blade snaps into position with a satisfying click as the lock snaps into position. Now, I’ve never been a big fan of frame locks or liner locks, but this one is very strong and solid, engaging about half the width of the blade, and providing a good, solid lockup. When in the open position, there is zero play in the blade: none; not in any direction, period. Pretty remarkable for many knives, incredible one that only costs $10 shipped.

As it arrived, the blade was pretty sharp by most reasonable standards, but not by mine. One of the first things I did was to work it over on the DMT’s to bring it up to the level that I like. How good does it get? Well, I don’t know just how sharp I can get it, because I had to stop to attend to other things. Right now, using only the stones, it’s hair popping sharp: what it will be after a few passes on the strop is anybody’s guess, but I imagine it will scare the hair off my arm. This steel easily takes a very, very good edge, folks, without too much effort. How long it will hold that edge, I can’t say, because I have yet to do any real cutting with it: we’ll see.

Overall, I’m extremely impressed with, and pleased by, this knife.

Now, I’ve heard those who are looking for ways to denigrate this knife say things like “yeah, but it doesn’t have the same materials as a $400 insert knife name here, so it’s junk.” Really? Junk? That, to me, is a patently absurd statement. No, the blade isn’t the latest super whiz-bang miracle steel, but it is a very good steel in its own right. Many here are into the latest super steels, and are willing to pay a bit more for them, but let’s be honest: we’re a very small minority. The 8CR14MOV steel used in this knife is way beyond what the average consumer understands: they just want to know if it’s sharp enough to cut with, and if it will last. You could name the steel Marvin or Mary, for all they care: to them, steel is steel. Well, those people are in luck, because this is a good — not the best, but very good — steel. The rest of the knife is also made of good materials. No, you don’t get bragging rights to Titanium frames, but you do get good, solid stainless steel frames that are going to last a very long time.

It’s a bloody shame that no American manufacturers can produce a knife this good at this price. If it were produced in the United States, it would probably cost 8 or 10 times more. Much of that has to do with the value of the dollar vs the Yuan (but that’s another story), and has nothing to do with American know-how.

Overall, I’m extremely impressed with this knife. Forget politics for a moment, and just consider the quality of the knife itself, and I think you'd have to admit that the 710 is one truly fine knife: for $10, it’s simply incredible.

 

[choombak]

Are you suggesting another revolutionary war Amarendra? That's about what it would take to change anything in the present day USA. We have "bad party A" and "bad party B" one politcal representative will get money from one special interest group if he/she votes one way or get money from the opposing special interest group of he/she votes the other way.

The big picture is very clear - at least to me - and probably millions of others. Our current Government with some exceptions, is totally corrupt.

Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. We need to kick the entire legislative branch to the curb.

I'm not a radical, but an older man getting ready to retire and face the grim reality that I'll have to work part-time while enjoying my "not so golden" years, until SS goes bankrupt and I have to work full tome in my late 60's or 70's.

The American people have grown complacent but money and greed never sleeps.....I'll shut up now.

The SRM 710 is still CCC that works okay for $10 though.

Not a revolution, but just a reminder that the world is not black and white - there are infinite shades of gray. While I definitely do not support IP infringement, it does not imply that this is the only thing China and India are good at. The "magic of numbers" is a major factor that gives both India and China the edge when it comes to cost-effective manufacturing - the population of China is 4.2 times that of the US, while India is 3.8 times. And its plain business - getting the same quality of work done at a lower cost.

Case in point is Fenix brand of flashlights - manufactured exclusively in China, and sold majorly in the US. At a fraction of the cost of a Surefire-equivalent, they provide a reasonable quality flashlight. And Fenix has some very innovative lights.

So the camp which thinks that China is involved only in "stealing IP" should think twice before making such blanket statements.

Is the SRM 710 superior to the CR Sebenza? Definitely not in terms of material and craftsmanship. But it does the same job with equal efficiency of a Sebenza, at a fraction of cost (35 to 40 times less than a Sebenza!). Both knives have their place - depending on what is important to you, make a choice (I do intend to own a Sebenza when I have a lot of money, but by that time, I am content with a 710).

-Amarendra

 

[Ankerson]

It’s a bloody shame that no American manufacturers can produce a knife this good at this price. If it were produced in the United States, it would probably cost 8 or 10 times more. Much of that has to do with the value of the dollar vs the Yuan (but that’s another story), and has nothing to do with American know-how.

Just labor costs alone (The ones who really do the work) would make it cost more and that's not even talking about the Huge Corporate Bonuses and Paychecks on top of that.

That knife would be in the $100 Range here.

Take out all the Fat Cat Huge Paychecks and Bonuses and that could bring it down to the $50 range, maybe less.

I have seen it so lop sided before that just the Top Executives Salaries and Bonuses etc could pay the rest of their work force for more than a year and still have money left over.

 

[STR]

The best place to buy SRM is not eBay, but http://www.exduct.com/. I got a 710 today for ~ $11 US via registered mail (they ship worldwide). And they accept paypal. :thumbup:

I find the quality of 710 to be reasonably good, the fit and finish excellent, and the blade perfectly centered with a tight lockup. For a Spyderco or Benchmade, this is no surprise, but it came as a sweet shock for a $11 knife.

-Amarendra

I disagree. Have you actually ordered from that link? I mean don't get me wrong they may be fine folks but to order five 710 models in their gift pack is like $36 and some change. Thats great and all but the problem is that they offer one way to ship it only and want $63 to ship it to you. You can do better on ebay than $12 + for shipping for each knife. Mine ran me $6.75 shipping for the first one and $3.50 for each one after that..

STR

 

[dawsonbob]

Just labor costs alone (The ones who really do the work) would make it cost more and that's not even talking about the Huge Corporate Bonuses and Paychecks on top of that.

That knife would be in the $100 Range here.

Take out all the Fat Cat Huge Paychecks and Bonuses and that could bring it down to the $50 range, maybe less.

Well, there are a number of things that factor into it but, you're right, it's a $100 knife if made here. If made by a boutique manufacturer with a "Name," maybe more.

 

[Ankerson]

Well, there are a number of things that factor into it but, you're right, it's a $100 knife if made here. If made by a boutique manufacturer with a "Name," maybe more.

Yeah, I would $100 easy depending on the Company.

 

[dawsonbob]

Yeah, I would $100 easy depending on the Company.

Yeah, different companies do things differently. If it were produced by someone like, say, KA-BAR, they might hold it down to around $60, while a "high-end" company might market it for several hundred dollars: same knife, same materials, just different marketing philosophies. Overall, though, I think most companies would be just above the $100 mark.

 

[Dagon]

I disagree. Have you actually ordered from that link? I mean don't get me wrong they may be fine folks but to order five 710 models in their gift pack is like $36 and some change. Thats great and all but the problem is that they offer one way to ship it only and want $63 to ship it to you. You can do better on ebay. Trust me.

They offer a pack of five variants but you can also buy it separately. I know because I actually did exactly that. Their shipping to Europe was priced pretty reasonable (and quick). Trust me.

 

[Sep]

American made Sanrenmu 710 is going to cost $100? Really? Kershaw Shallot with similar all steel construction can be had for around $50. If they make it without AO, it's going to sell in the $40 range. Loosen up on quality control and drop the lifetime warranty, and it can sell in the $30 range. Conversely if Sanrenmu is offered with better QC and good warranty, it will sell close to $20.

It's possible to manufacture knives here, you just gotta know what you're doing.

 

[jill jackson]

Here's a clip that you can get a good look at the Navy brand out of China and see how this Spyderco close copy is built. Even if you can't understand it, it shows the knife and how it's made. Then you can say if you think it looks like it's junk or not.
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[Robert.B]

Well you can shift the blame to the corporations but it is the consumer that ultimately has the final say on the ways things stand. You make a choice every time you buy something. Granted with certain things like electronics etc it is almost impossible to find something that isnt made in China, BUT in almost every instance you CAN find an alternative. Well, you can where I live. I can buy Sony or Sino-Tec. Sino-Tech is cheaper but you can bet I would rather pay a bit more for Sony.

I work in Industry and since the recession started I have watched every big fab company getting steel castings and components from china for cost cutting...we used to pay local companies which are now going under, the consumer means squat when a corp can goto china and raise their profit in a short time selling the same product but with a different origin for the components.

Going Red is a matter of time for most companies...keeping it local costs a lot, its sink or swim atm.

 

[Ankerson]

Here's a clip that you can get a good look at the Navy brand out of China and see how this Spyderco close copy is built. Even if you can't understand it, it shows the knife and how it's made. Then you can say if you think it looks like it's junk or not.
[youtube]t16dgQ8-KiI&NR=1[/youtube]

Doesn't look like junk to me at all from here.

 

[00max00]

When in the open position, there is zero play in the blade: none; not in any direction, period. Pretty remarkable for many knives, incredible one that only costs $10 shipped.

Aren't frame lock and liner lock the easiest to get no-play lockup? None of mine liner lock knives have any play whatsoever. It would be much harder to almost impossible to achieve in a back lock.

If it were produced in the United States, it would probably cost 8 or 10 times more.

Grossly exaggerated. I have $30 dollar Skylines, $40 Vantage Pros which all made in the US, they are great knives with superior materials. For $100, you open up your options even more, can I say the Military? How about the Manix 2, which you can get for under $80. It is sad people like you are devaluing US products from many reputable companies, and be part of the problem this nation is fighting so hard to resolve.