SanRenMu 710

Sep said:
Yes.

Do you think people buy Strider knives because they love Mick Strider? Good quality will (eventually) be recognized, and that is fair.
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I think very little of people who buy Strider knives. I think very little of most of you, as it seems. I'll see my way out.
 
Recieved my SRM 710 today and I gotta say it surpassed my expectations...it a very solid knife, the lockup is perfect, grind is equal both sides of the blade and central looking from on top. Bit of china grease on it but that comes off quite easily and a good lube will see this a performer.

Out of the box it shaved hairs, prolly can get it popping hairs quite easily...great knife for the money spent and semantics aside.
 
This thread has two different aspects of discussion:

1. The build / quality vs the price of the knife itself. In this regard, SRM 710, or any of it's newer series are of great value, especially for the less fortunate people like me (where a Spyderco/BM/Coldsteel, even CRKT can be got at 2-3 times the 1SKS or any internet shop price, due to heavy marked up and luxury tax - yes, they are considered luxury items here by the tax office)

2. The design, IP and copying practice. This has been an unending debate and always will be. One item to be remembered, if we talk about SRM as a brand, they use their own brand, and never pretend otherwise (i.e. we're giving you a cheap but ok Benchmade). Many other companies in China do that, and blurring this discussion further. One might comment on this thread (about SRM) but perhaps in his mind he's thinking of these other blatant plagiators ..

I do own several SRMs, and find the quality / build is ok for the price. Since it's imported by a bookstore and considered tools, the luxury tax was not applied. I could buy it cheaper on the store than through eBay (price + shipping), but the importer does not bring in complete series.

I never consider them as other than a China made but decent steel with safe enough locking mechanism. It still is a good value for money to me. As someone mentioned, hopefully they start building their own design. By the way, since no one pointing out yet, the GB 763 model I have (small axis lock) is confirmed to be their own unique design, isn't it? I've been wanting to know what popular brand they got it 'inspired' from .. but cannot find a single one ..
 
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before I cleaned the china grease out and lubed it with some light machine oil.
 
It shouldn't be surprising decent knives are coming out of China now. They make a lot more complicated things there that we use everyday. The flat screen TV we bought was made there. Of course there wasn't much of a choice in buying that, as to where it was manufactured.
 
Wasn't the term "frame lock" invented just avoid paying patent fees on the Reeves Integral Lock? How many big name knife companies are selling frame locks? Spyderco is one of the few that gives credit where credit is due. I'm not arguing in favor of IP theft just pointing out that some of the companies that are being defended are also guilty.
 
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Hammurabi said:
Wasn't the term "frame lock" invented just avoid paying patent fees on the Reeves Integral Lock? How many big name knife companies are selling frame locks? Spyderco is one of the few that gives credit where credit is due. I'm not arguing in favor of IP theft just pointing out that some of the companies that are being defended are also guilty.
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Patenting and Copyrighting are different things.

"RIL" might be protected by copyrights, but the design is the patent.

This is may be the same as Spyderco's hole. The hole patent expired a long time ago, but because the brand is more or less identified by the hole, they maintain a copyright on the hole. (I believe)
 
they probably maintain a trademark patent over the "spyder hole", not the use of a hole to open the blade itself

kind of like how microsoft has a patent on its "microsoft office" brand and not any office productivity suite ever made
 
without knockoffs how can we make snide comments about peoples knives.

insert nasal condecending snooty voice and say
"Humph. I only cary Tightass and Uppity brand knives. I see you are carrying a chinese version of the Tightass "Anal penetrator 69", my Anal Penetrator's blade is much harder:rolleyes: and you cant buy them any more because they only made a limited production run. but no, yours is a good knife when used as a paper weight or perhaps an anchor, tee hee. By the way do you have any grey pupon?"

for real ive heard almost that exact comment:jerkit: and its sad to say ive said something similar but only when i felt the quality was dangerous to the owner. I could have been more diplomatic.
now ive had some chicom knives that the quality was sub standard specifically it was the knockoff version of the smith and wesson swat. the blade was ok but i felt i couldnt really use it hard because the handle was weak and i worried about breaking it and gettin cut. i did use it to distruction opening a locking gascap at a service station for someone who had lost their key. it was worth the 4$ price for just that one application.(she was cute ;) )
i personally carry knives to be used. im currently carring a chicom knife that the quality must be less than the knives being discussed here and it has done every thing i asked of it and not failed. ill probably get a couple of these knives andtry them until i get my snooty no longer in production knife that i carried for over a decade replaced. Hey i love cheap knives but i also love my expensive knives, i try to have both on hand for different apps.
 
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im currently carring a chicom knife that the quality must be less than the knives being discussed here and it has done every thing i asked of it and not failed. ill probably get a couple of these knives andtry them until i get my snooty no longer in production knife that i carried for over a decade replaced. Hey i love cheap knives but i also love my expensive knives, i try to have both on hand for different apps.
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Nothing wrong with owning a couple of sacrificial lambs for when people ask to borrow your knife. I bought a couple of them and since they're so small & winter's coming, I'll toss one in an extra pocket for just that. No reason to let some yo-ho bugger up one of my expensive knives. :)
 
cziv said:
Nothing wrong with owning a couple of sacrificial lambs for when people ask to borrow your knife. I bought a couple of them and since they're so small & winter's coming, I'll toss one in an extra pocket for just that. No reason to let some yo-ho bugger up one of my expensive knives. :)
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Hey cziv! me again trailing one of your comments. Seems like we've subscribed to some of the same threads!
I've got about 50 or 60 knives, 99% being from brand name reputable makers including RAT/ESEE, Fallkniven, Blind Horse Knives, Victorinox, Wenger, Spyderco, Benchmade. Some of these are 10+ years old and in great condition because I tend to take care of and am very careful with them.

That said, I'll admit that I recently purchased a Sanrenmu / Navy K615 when I read a post here by a highly regarded/reputable forum member (I think it was Esav Benjamin). His post piqued my curiosity about these so I figured I'd try one to use as a beater/back-up car blade, and I have to say that the K615 is pretty well made. So much so that I just ordered several more Sanrenmu/Navy models just to check out, and to have as beater/loaners/travel knives where I don't want to risk losing or damaging my good knives. I've seen and heard too many horror stories, as well as experienced one or two of my own, of non-knife users damaging higher-end knives doing stupid things. I just consider these as beaters and decoys for the real thing.

Sure some are pretty close copies of other knives but IMO this is nothing new and has been happening forever. For example I read recently that Nikon's early cameras were Leica knock-offs, and Canon's were Zeiss knock-offs. They got popular in North America when WW2 soldiers, returning from Japan, and couldn't afford hi end Leicas, etc, bought these then much cheaper "knock-offs" to bring back home with them, and the rest is history.

My boycotting of these "knock-off" knives will have no effect on their success or failure, but they'll allow me to have more knives for certain situations. As long as they're safe to use, and less damaging on my wallet, I'll probably buy them occasionally. That said, I will continue to buy my brand name knives of preference.
 
Best place to find them is on Ebay. Just type in the search box Sanrenmu knife and you will find them. There is even one seller by that name. Also alot have a "BUy Now" option and most are under $17
Cary
 
Yep that's where I bought them from. Even got combined shipping on all of them and saved about $12 on shipping!
 
NaturalMystic said:
Hey cziv! me again trailing one of your comments. Seems like we've subscribed to some of the same threads!
I've got about 50 or 60 knives, 99% being from brand name reputable makers including RAT/ESEE, Fallkniven, Blind Horse Knives, Victorinox, Wenger, Spyderco, Benchmade. Some of these are 10+ years old and in great condition because I tend to take care of and am very careful with them.

That said, I'll admit that I recently purchased a Sanrenmu / Navy K615 when I read a post here by a highly regarded/reputable forum member (I think it was Esav Benjamin). His post piqued my curiosity about these so I figured I'd try one to use as a beater/back-up car blade, and I have to say that the K615 is pretty well made. So much so that I just ordered several more Sanrenmu/Navy models just to check out, and to have as beater/loaners/travel knives where I don't want to risk losing or damaging my good knives. I've seen and heard too many horror stories, as well as experienced one or two of my own, of non-knife users damaging higher-end knives doing stupid things. I just consider these as beaters and decoys for the real thing.

Sure some are pretty close copies of other knives but IMO this is nothing new and has been happening forever. For example I read recently that Nikon's early cameras were Leica knock-offs, and Canon's were Zeiss knock-offs. They got popular in North America when WW2 soldiers, returning from Japan, and couldn't afford hi end Leicas, etc, bought these then much cheaper "knock-offs" to bring back home with them, and the rest is history.

My boycotting of these "knock-off" knives will have no effect on their success or failure, but they'll allow me to have more knives for certain situations. As long as they're safe to use, and less damaging on my wallet, I'll probably buy them occasionally. That said, I will continue to buy my brand name knives of preference.
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What's your point? :D

I got my 1st SRM 710 for 6.99 and the guy made me a 2nd chance offer (presumably to get rid of the other one he had listed for $0.89 and a 962 for about $13 - $14, so the whole shebang with shipping was close to $30 for 2 710's and a 962 delivered. Great price! :)
 
to people who have taken this knife apart, what is the order of the washers ?

Is it:
Framelock side | teflon | thin brass washer | blade | thick brass washer | plain side
 
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