SanRenMu 710

[00max00]

Is the SRM 710 superior to the CR Sebenza? Definitely not in terms of material and craftsmanship. But it does the same job with equal efficiency of a Sebenza, at a fraction of cost (35 to 40 times less than a Sebenza!). Both knives have their place - depending on what is important to you, make a choice (I do intend to own a Sebenza when I have a lot of money, but by that time, I am content with a 710).

Just like you are content with Walmart T-shirt, and I will be still sticking with my Lacoste regardless. yes, they provide the same function of covering your body parts.

 

[shecky]

I disagree. Have you actually ordered from that link? I mean don't get me wrong they may be fine folks but to order five 710 models in their gift pack is like $36 and some change. Thats great and all but the problem is that they offer one way to ship it only and want $63 to ship it to you. You can do better on ebay than $12 + for shipping for each knife. Mine ran me $6.75 shipping for the first one and $3.50 for each one after that..

STR

It's been a few months since I ordered from there, but they were consistently less with shipping than just about anyone on ebay. Really low, like $2-$4 on a single knife. Perhaps they charge strictly by weight?

 

[dawsonbob]

It's been a few months since I ordered from there, but they were consistently less with shipping than just about anyone on ebay. Really low, like $2-$4 on a single knife. Perhaps they charge strictly by weight?

The shipping on mine was just over $3. Total for the order — knife and shipping — was $9.40.

 

[ayz]

Just like you are content with Walmart T-shirt, and I will be still sticking with my Lacoste regardless. yes, they provide the same function of covering your body parts.

wouldn't play ball in a lacoste shirt

 

[choombak]

I disagree. Have you actually ordered from that link? I mean don't get me wrong they may be fine folks but to order five 710 models in their gift pack is like $36 and some change. Thats great and all but the problem is that they offer one way to ship it only and want $63 to ship it to you. You can do better on ebay than $12 + for shipping for each knife. Mine ran me $6.75 shipping for the first one and $3.50 for each one after that..

STR

If you add individual knives (I added 3, F1710, F2710, F3710), shipping is $9.92 tracked and registered. That would still be cheaper than the bay.

-Amarendra

 

[John E Woven]

I bought mine from Qualitychinagoods, and they came to roughly $10 shipped each.

 

[TheHunt]

Please educate me...

Why is it, that we go nuts seeing SOG copying other designs, Endura e.g., and that these Sanrenmu things are held in such high regard?

Honestly I dont get it. I was tempted to buy one just out of couriousity, but didnt, because I I dont want to support design-theft.

They may be well build, cheaper than dirt, but its still a ripoff


Am I wrong?
Is my moral too ancient?

Or do I just dont see the whole point????

 

[tipoc]

Why is it, that we go nuts seeing SOG copying other designs, Endura e.g., and that these Sanrenmu things are held in such high regard?

Honestly I dont get it. I was tempted to buy one just out of couriousity, but didnt, because I I dont want to support design-theft.

They may be well build, cheaper than dirt, but its still a ripoff

This point was raised earlier in this thread and argued out some.

My only problem with them is this same point. If they produce these knives under agreement with the original designers I have no problem with it. If they are not and are stealing the design, I do have an objection.

Some do not though. They see copying another's patented design without acknowledgment or payment of a fee, as a legitimate practice. Excusable because it is common.

tipoc

 

[Buffalohump]

Ah, the old 'everybody does it, so that makes it OK' argument....

Some do not though. They see copying another's patented design without acknowledgment or payment of a fee, as a legitimate practice. Excusable because it is common.

tipoc

 

[tipoc]

In fairness there are differences and they are discussed here...

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=761222

Folks can draw their own conclusions.

tipoc

 

[kreole]

Please educate me...

Why is it, that we go nuts seeing SOG copying other designs, Endura e.g., and that these Sanrenmu things are held in such high regard?

Honestly I dont get it. I was tempted to buy one just out of couriousity, but didnt, because I I dont want to support design-theft.

They may be well build, cheaper than dirt, but its still a ripoff


Am I wrong?
Is my moral too ancient?

Or do I just dont see the whole point????

The difference between Sog's ripoffs and SMR's is SMR's are blatant, while Sog changes them just enough to deny influence and is hypocritical in their response to the criticisms. When Sog was called out for the Sogzilla, they denied it, basically saying everyone improves upon old designs and then listed what they saw were unique characteristics, when they were really all features of the Endura like its bi-directional texturing (http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showpost.php?p=7780434&postcount=90). I doubt SMR would go through any lengths to deny that their knives are clones, since they don't try to cover up the influencing design/knife.

Now to personalize it, to me it's worse to copy a design, rationalize why no credit must be given, and deny the influence than only to copy the design alone. Even if both may be considered "immoral" acts, I think it's clear one is more immoral than the other.

 

[Sep]

The difference between Sog's ripoffs and SMR's is SMR's are blatant, while Sog changes them just enough to deny influence and is hypocritical in their response to the criticisms. When Sog was called out for the Sogzilla, they denied it, basically saying everyone improves upon old designs and then listed what they saw were unique characteristics, when they were really all features of the Endura like its bi-directional texturing (http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showpost.php?p=7780434&postcount=90). I doubt SMR would go through any lengths to deny that their knives are clones, since they don't try to cover up the influencing design/knife.

Now to personalize it, to me it's worse to copy a design, rationalize why no credit must be given, and deny the influence than only to copy the design alone. Even if both may be considered "immoral" acts, I think it's clear one is more immoral than the other.

Have you actually compared the Sanrenmu 710 with the Sebenza? They are at least as different as SOG products to their supposed copied designs.

 

[kreole]

Have you actually compared the Sanrenmu 710 with the Sebenza? They are at least as different as SOG products to their supposed copied designs.

I have a Sebenza but not a 710. I'm not saying manufacturing wise they are close; I'm saying if you consider their major components, they are pretty much exact. Like if you put a 710 and Sebenza together and showed a picture of them to an NKP, they'd immediately call them clones, while the same isn't true if you put a Sogzilla next to an Endura, since the texture, hole opener, blade grind, clip, handle design (slightly), and other parts are visually different on the Sogzilla compared to the Endura.

 

[Sal Glesser]

Please educate me...

Why is it, that we go nuts seeing SOG copying other designs, Endura e.g., and that these Sanrenmu things are held in such high regard?

Honestly I dont get it. I was tempted to buy one just out of couriousity, but didnt, because I I dont want to support design-theft.

They may be well build, cheaper than dirt, but its still a ripoff

Am I wrong?
Is my moral too ancient?

Or do I just dont see the whole point????

Hi Hunt.

I would say that your confusion is further increased when we don't complain when one foundry copies the chemistry of another for a particular steel. Or further complicated when one drug company gets around the patent of another's

I think in the end, you decide for yourself where your lines are and live to your own standards.....faithfully.

I think you will find in the end that the bottom line in all activity is trust. You decide where that is and how to attain and keep it.

sal

 

[Ankerson]

IMO I don't really care what the different companies do because I don't work for any of them nor am I getting paid in anyway.

Stuff like this isn't really any of my business AFIC, it's the said companies business and that of their Lawyers and for them to deal with.

Do I think it right for someone to copy someone else's design, no I don't, but I am not going to get all bent out of shape about or lose sleep over it.

 

[flashlife]

Hi Hunt.

I would say that your confusion is further increased when we don't complain when one foundry copies the chemistry of another for a particular steel. Or further complicated when one drug company gets around the patent of another's

I think in the end, you decide for yourself where your lines are and live to your own standards.....faithfully.

I think you will find in the end that the bottom line in all activity is trust. You decide where that is and how to attain and keep it.

sal

Sal's points are worth taking to heart.
Tho' we're all knife-nuts here (most of us), we're not patent-infringement lawyers or equivalent. (There may be one or 2 here, my appologies to them).
Just because one knife "looks like" another doesn't mean the design was ripped off.

There are several posts on the forum which say, "That one's identical to an XXX design!! What a rip-off!"
Then some more analytical poster will point out 13 diferences between the two.

I'm not saying that we don't know our knives. Just sayin' everything's not always as it 1st appears.

 

[STR]

Ah, the old 'everybody does it, so that makes it OK' argument....

While I respect people that want to do right my thoughts are more like this. We could spend a lot of time digging up the dirty laundry on a lot of those in any industry if we wanted. Some things are better off left in the closet though. To say I won't buy this knife because so and so did that and I won't buy that knife because this guy stole that and so on gets old. Chances are I would only think I knew the facts about it and be wrong anyways, if I decided to draw the line about buying so and so's products and it's their karma not mine if they did something wrong to someone else. If someone lies about their military service, makes a big embarrassing stink at a show over an award he thought his company should have gotten that went to some other company and then writes a big to do about it in his catalog, or if IP may or may not have been used without permission its really not my concern and in the end many times what I think I know is not the truth anyways so why get in an uproar about it?

A while back there was a big stink here about BM using the round hole in a blade. Everyone got up in arms about it and it went on a while. In the end the two companies in question worked it out between them and all was well in the end. Oh I'm sure some die hards still won't let it go but the fact is the companies came to an understanding. The way I see it that kind of thing can just continue because I'm not the internet police, or IP police and neither is anyone else here. For that matter no one here other than the people involved really knows the facts enough to make a decision one way or the other as to what is done on the up and up and what is not. Let the company owners work their own responsibilities out in their own time and in the mean time you enjoy the knives. There are too many things to get confused when you are on the sidelines trying to put a jig saw puzzle together with glasses on that are all fogged up.

Its obvious Spyderco and Benchmade work with SRM and that much is known at this point so if there is anything to be worked out between them for one's actions its not our concern to worry about it. It must not be too bad though because some of these models have been out for a while now being sold and these companies are still working with SRM so it doesn't seem to be anything that affected their relationships. Thats the way I see it. They are big boys and they can handle it. In the mean time I'm enjoying the knives that I've found that they offer for a great price and I'm figuring this coming Christmas that family members will be reaping the benefits of some of these little 710 models I've snagged after my curiousity got the better of me.

STR

 

[tipoc]

If SRM and Spyderco and Benchmade have a relationship then there is no problem regarding those blades. The same could be true for others. A phone call or email could tell ya. It's usually a mistake to jump to conclusions. If a person has reason to believe that a knife is a "ripoff" of another designer, the facts can be checked and a decision made based on your sense of ethics.

I've gone all my life without a Sabenza. If I wanted one I'll wait and pick one up when I can.

This is something a fella has to decide for themselves, look at the facts and make a decision.

Look carefully at what folks say about this though and how they say it.

How folks conduct their business is how they will conduct it with you.

This doesn't seem to me to be all that complicated.

tipoc

 

[00max00]

So out of all curiosity generated by the highly hyped SRM knives in the forum especially the 710 by some of the forum members, I went ahead ordered two 710s. It arrived from Hong Kong in around a week.
Out of the packaging, there are a few scratches and surface blemishes which are the norm to knives cost only $12 each shipped. I was surprised to find couple rather big stain in the liner cut-out, stainless steel I thought? And the cut out itself is rather rough with horrible burs. Blades are off centered on both, but not to the extent toughing the liner. Lock up is solid with no vertical play as I said in a previous post that frame/liner lock are the easiest lock type to achieve no-play, no surprise here, none of my knives did even the $5 Walmart special Winchester I got couple years ago. However, there’s noticeable side-to-side play if you tried, but I guess tightening the pivot may fix it. The blades are plentiful sharp, not sure how long it would keep that way though. No steel type indicated anywhere. Question, how can you tell what steel was used? 8CR13MOV anyone?
All in all, the impression is mediocre at best for a knife cost $12 shipped. Fit and finish is around the same or a little better then my $5 Winchester from Walmart, but the Winchester proved itself to be a better value. Will I buy it again? Absolutely NOT! Is it a replacement to $100 knives from reputable American companies, ex: Spyderco, like some of members claimed? Are you serious?? I would take $45 Vantage Pro S30V/G10, $25 Skyline any day! That’s about it, a really cheap knife whose market is in below $10 none knife users. Until now, I really start suspecting some of the members here are affiliated with SRM sellers. Case closed, at least for me.

 

[TheHunt]

Hi Sal!
Thanks for responding to my questions.

Thats what all is about, trust. Its hard enough to earn and maintain it.
And we work everyday for it...