SanRenMu 710

[kawr]

You should reread my first post, where I address the "clone vs knockoff" thing. Thanks.

No I definitly read your self righteous posts and I dont see ANY reason why you feel the need to rage about it. Its clearly not fraud, its clearly very high quality workmanship at a dirt cheap price. People who cant afford 385 dollars for a Sebbie should NOT have to feel bad about picking up a great knife at a price they can afford. Clearly you are the only one with issues here.

 

[Sep]

The only feeling I have is disappointment that knife nuts would sell out so cheaply.

When you buy a Sebenza, you pay mostly for the higher level of precision. From cutting performance alone a $50 Buck Vantage Pro can easily rival the Sebenza because it uses the same steel, has excellent heat treatment by Paul Bos, and has blade profile that's proven to increase cutting performance. Since I care much more about cutting performance than precision machining, it's unlikely that I'll ever get a Sebenza. If I buy SRM 710, does that make me a sell out?

Despite my disinterest toward the Sebenza, I don't go out calling its buyers names. Sanrenmu 710 is inspired by the Sebenza but it's not a counterfeit or "knock off". People can and do buy it out of its own merit, not because they want a Sebenza knock off.

 

[EMT_Lee]

No I definitly read your self righteous posts and I dont see ANY reason why you feel the need to rage about it. Its clearly not fraud, its clearly very high quality workmanship at a dirt cheap price. People who cant afford 385 dollars for a Sebbie should NOT have to feel bad about picking up a great knife at a price they can afford. Clearly you are the only one with issues here.

Then your reading comprehension skills could use some work. That's not what your post said. Your post went off on a tanget about "clones", when I had clearly addressed that issue. If you read this thread, and the other Sanrenmu threads, you'll see I'm not the only one with an issue.

But, at least you're being honest. You can't/won't pay for the Sebbie, so you bought the Sanrenmu. Fine. Say that. Don't try to say you bought it because it's "just as good" or insinuate that people who bought a Sebenza overpaid. That's not the case. Don't try to say it's not a knock-off, because that's not the case. It is, and we all know it.

 

[kawr]

Then your reading comprehension skills could use some work. That's not what your post said. Your post went off on a tanget about "clones", when I had clearly addressed that issue. If you read this thread, and the other Sanrenmu threads, you'll see I'm not the only one with an issue.

But, at least you're being honest. You can't/won't pay for the Sebbie, so you bought the Sanrenmu. Fine. Say that. Don't try to say you bought it because it's "just as good" or insinuate that people who bought a Sebenza overpaid. That's not the case. Don't try to say it's not a knock-off, because that's not the case. It is, and we all know it.

I think your reading comprehension needs some work because I clearly state I own a Seb and 3 710s and you're still trying to guilt people about buying a cheaper alternative. You're pretty pathetic. Do you yell at people for buying generic corn flakes at the grocery store instead of the original brand too? :jerkit:

 

[ThePharce]

Then your reading comprehension skills could use some work. That's not what your post said. Your post went off on a tanget about "clones", when I had clearly addressed that issue. If you read this thread, and the other Sanrenmu threads, you'll see I'm not the only one with an issue.

But, at least you're being honest. You can't/won't pay for the Sebbie, so you bought the Sanrenmu. Fine. Say that. Don't try to say you bought it because it's "just as good" or insinuate that people who bought a Sebenza overpaid. That's not the case. Don't try to say it's not a knock-off, because that's not the case. It is, and we all know it.

Seriously, a Sebenza is a piece of merchandise. It isn't a status, it isn't a member's only club. It's a piece of merchandise. If knife enthusiasts prefer not to spend $385 for a knife (or CANNOT spent that for a knife) it doesn't make them any less a knife enthusiast than those who own Sebenzas and Striders.

My buying the 710 had absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with any Chris Reeve product. I wanted a smaller EDC knife, something about the size of a mini grip, and took a chance paying $12. It paid off.

 

[nc527]

Bought a Sebenza specifically because they owned a SanRenMu 710? I'd be more than a little surprised. If the person isn't a "knife person" it enters the realm of "never gonna happen."

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If they arent a knife person, It doesnt really matter, since they would never buy a sebenza anyway. I mean, use a little common sense.

 

[EMT_Lee]

I think your reading comprehension needs some work because I clearly state I own a Seb and 3 710s and you're still trying to guilt people about buying a cheaper alternative. You're pretty pathetic. Do you yell at people for buying generic corn flakes at the grocery store instead of the original brand too? :jerkit:

Listen, this is getting old. Clearly, you're not ready to handle any sort of debate, since you've decided to throw being civil out the window. Grow some thicker skin.

I will tell you this, since you haven't been here very long: The jerkit smiley and personal insults are not a great idea in General Knife Discussion. If you'd care to hop over into W&C, I'll tell you what I -really- think.

 

[kawr]

Listen, this is getting old. Clearly, you're not ready to handle any sort of debate, since you've decided to throw being civil out the window. Grow some thicker skin.

I will tell you this, since you haven't been here very long: The jerkit smiley and personal insults are not a great idea in General Knife Discussion. If you'd care to hop over into W&C, I'll tell you what I -really- think.

You talk about civility when you criticise people that cant afford to buy the "original" and twist words to suit your needs? Seems like my reading comprehension is doing just fine. Why not just cut your losses and take your elitist attitude with you. Thanks. :foot:

 

[EMT_Lee]

Seriously, a Sebenza is a piece of merchandise. It isn't a status, it isn't a member's only club. It's a piece of merchandise. If knife enthusiasts prefer not to spend $385 for a knife (or CANNOT spent that for a knife) it doesn't make them any less a knife enthusiast than those who own Sebenzas and Striders.

My buying the 710 had absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with any Chris Reeve product. I wanted a smaller EDC knife, something about the size of a mini grip, and took a chance paying $12. It paid off.

That's probably the best answer I've heard yet. It doesn't change my opinion of Sanrenmu's, but I'm glad your happy with your purchase. :thumbup:

 

[TheBishop]

Empty pocket syndrome? We're not the ones buying $7 knives, buddy.

Your a funny little bugger.
In case it rains, watch yourself, nose all up in the air and all.
The stench of elitism.
World is full of fools it seems.

Enjoy whatever and be happy.

 

[tipoc]

The following is from an add for SRM knives on EBay;

Who is SANRENMU?

SanRenMu (SRM) is one of the premier knife companies in all of China, it began in December 1998 in the city of Yulin, Guangxi province.Their reputation is spreading throughout the world due to the design, perfection and quality control.They made very nice knives with high quality,but very cheap price.Poor man's Sebenza!

tipoc

 

[kreole]

The only feeling I have is disappointment that knife nuts would sell out so cheaply.

If a knife nut is someone who enjoys knives, wouldn't a knife nut selling out mean they ignore the knife itself (how well it functions, its aesthetics, etc.) for its contexts that have no bearing on its performance, like the morality surrounding its features?

 

[cziv]

I have a bunch of pretty high end folders. I bought the SRM 710 (3) to be exact to find out what the hooplah was about. These are fine little SS framelocks for my POU.

I have one in my office and the other in the living room by "my chair." They have excellent F&F lock up is rock solid, after some stropping they cut piles of hair off the arm and slice paper like a light saber. Perfect blade centering.

A bit slippery compared to the grippy Ti handles on my large 21 Sebenza but a real pleasure for mail, packages and little cutting chores. I like 'em. :thumbup:

I might try and flip the 3rd one for a profit on the exchange!

 

[EMT_Lee]

If a knife nut is someone who enjoys knives, wouldn't a knife nut selling out mean they ignore the knife itself (how well it functions, its aesthetics, etc.) for its contexts that have no bearing on its performance, like the morality surrounding its features?

Possibly. I guess the morality matters to me. It may not to others.

 

[ThePharce]

Possibly. I guess the morality matters to me. It may not to others.

So I take it you don't like the Bradley alias either?


Why don't you call Chris and ask him if the SRM 710 bothers him? I doubt it does.


Simply put, NO ONE who was considering the Sebenza would purchase a SRM 710 instead. Nor would anyone who knows knives confuse the two (and seriously, no one who DOESN'T know knives would know what a Sebenza is anyway!)


Again, you're making it the Reeves knife sound less like a knife and more like a status symbol.

Yes, someone made a knife which looks like another knife. How many copies are there of the Perrin La Griffe? How many copies are there of the Ka Bar? The basic buck knives? The SAKs? If you are going to spend your time worrying about this you're going to lose a lot of sleep.

At least in the case of the SRM, they made a nice knife. Again, it's nothing close to a Sebbie, but I now have a $12 knife which is nicer than a lot of SOGs, CRKTs, S&Ws, etc.

 

[Dagon]

It's interesting how much more relaxed the discussions about the 710 are in the British and Dutch knife forums.
I don't consider it as a "fake Sebenza". Yes, there are a number of styling cues, but so does the Alias which is price and material-wise a much more realistic competitor. It does not claim to be anything that it isn't. It's a very affordable cutting tool with good performance and quality.
There are also a number of Benchmades which I (before getting really into this hobby) at first sight took for Spydercos. Etc. Yet these discussions are much less vitriolic.

 

[cziv]

What's vitriolic? Those guys think any knife is cool! Real blade lovers across the pond. Too bad they have crappy laws or prices that make them complain. Something must be wrong about the laws or customs or something. I'm not apprised of the situation but I sure hear them being upset about prices. It's too bad, fellow knife nuts suffering for lack of good knives is bad!

 

[EMT_Lee]

So I take it you don't like the Bradley alias either?


Why don't you call Chris and ask him if the SRM 710 bothers him? I doubt it does.


Simply put, NO ONE who was considering the Sebenza would purchase a SRM 710 instead. Nor would anyone who knows knives confuse the two (and seriously, no one who DOESN'T know knives would know what a Sebenza is anyway!)


Again, you're making it the Reeves knife sound less like a knife and more like a status symbol.

Yes, someone made a knife which looks like another knife. How many copies are there of the Perrin La Griffe? How many copies are there of the Ka Bar? The basic buck knives? The SAKs? If you are going to spend your time worrying about this you're going to lose a lot of sleep.

At least in the case of the SRM, they made a nice knife. Again, it's nothing close to a Sebbie, but I now have a $12 knife which is nicer than a lot of SOGs, CRKTs, S&Ws, etc.

So, in your mind, since other people copy knife designs, that makes it ok in this case? How is that logical? And, the Bradley Alias has been fairly well discussed on this forum. I do not own one of those, either.

Also, there is a sticky from Chris himself in the CRK forum where he asks that knock-offs be reported to him. So, yes, I'm going to assume he cares.

I'm pretty much done discussing this issue. It's pointless, and annoying.

 

[FortyTwoBlades]

 

[mechnik]

So, in your mind, since other people copy knife designs, that makes it ok in this case? How is that logical? And, the Bradley Alias has been fairly well discussed on this forum. I do not own one of those, either.

Also, there is a sticky from Chris himself in the CRK forum where he asks that knock-offs be reported to him. So, yes, I'm going to assume he cares.

I'm pretty much done discussing this issue. It's pointless, and annoying.

Nobody sells SRM 710 as anything else.
A knock-off or counterfeit item is a copy made to look and pass for something original, i.e. a fake.
710 is not a knock-off because nobody claims it to be anything other than an inexpensive Chinese product and its design distinguishes this knife from other products.
Even someone calling it "poor man's whatever" distinguishes it from that original item.
Nobody needs to like it for any reason but to call it a fake is plain ignorance.