SanRenMu 710

Everybody loves a bargain, and I wanted to give these blades a try.

They are excellent products at the price and highly recommended to anyone on a budget. They would make fine backups or users or gifts, especially to non-knife friends.

The Sanrenmu 707 -- the old model, before they decided to tart it up with tigerstripe paint -- appears to be the CRKT G10 Drifter, a well-regarded value blade.

As good as they are, the Sanrenmu do NOT, IMO, come close to Spyderco or Benchmade in either materials or F&F.

For example, the manufacturer gives no clue about the black finish on the 710 model, so what it will look like in a few months of use is anybody's guess. The black finish on one side of the handle has what looks like a smear. The "Axis" lock on the 763 is nowhere near as smooth as that of the BM Grip, for example. (The Axis on the Ganzo 440C G704, a look-alike of the BM 14205 series knives, feels almost gritty in comparison to BM's Axis.)

That said, at the price, you really can't go wrong. I will enjoy using and giving these blades.

My biggest concern is about buying from a foreign vendor. I thought I was being safe using PayPal on the Bay for three separate (and satisfactory) transactions.

But soon after my purchases, Visa flagged my card with attempts by a scamster to use it. The bank is still investigating and has issued me a new card.

What I learned from a friend with an online business is pretty scary. She regularly travels to China to establish factory orders and has visited banks in Hong Kong. And she adamantly advises against purchases like this that go through foreign banks, which she says lack the same stringent protections as U.S. banks.

"Do NOT do business with those foreign banks, even through PayPal," she advises. "If you want something from a vendor in Hong Kong, let me know and I will buy it for you while I am there. That is the only safe way to get it."

I note that most other posters here have not experienced any problems, and that is certainly a good sign.

But my own experience, and the advice of my friend in business have certainly given me pause. For now, at least, I won't be doing any business with foreign vendors.
 
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My biggest concern is about buying from a foreign vendor. ...

"Do NOT do business with those foreign banks, even through PayPal,"...

I note that most other posters here have not experienced any problems, and that is certainly a good sign.

But my own experience, and the advice of my friend in business have certainly given me pause. For now, at least, I won't be doing any business with foreign vendors.
It's unfortunate you had a bad experience.

I've purchased via eBay/foreign vendors throughout the years, making probably over a hundred purchases (most of those with foreign vendors), and I've never had that sort of experience, at least not from those purchases. Please keep in mind, I don't really like eBay (PayPal's okay, imo).

Surprisingly, the only two times I've ever experienced fraudulent card use from/after online purchasing was after buying from U.S. webstores (one for motorcycle gear & one for car accessories).

If anything, I try to use PayPal and/or Google Checkout whenever I can, instead of an actual credit card.

Also, I understand some credit card companies offer some sort of virtual/online credit number you can use that's linked to your credit card, so your actual credit card number isn't exposed, helping to protect against fraudulent use. Maybe this is an option worth looking into.

Hope this helps.

risen

Edit: I forgot to add, I don't sweat fraudulent use too much because I manage all my cards online, customizing settings for alerts, etc... . I've set low purchase thresholds, daily balance notices, etc..., to my cell & email. I've also got a subscription to one of those credit monitoring websites (all 3 bureaus). If anyone was to apply/open any new accounts using my ID/#s, I'd be notified within 24 hours. So, *if* anything was to happen, I'd be on it, immediately.
 
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My biggest concern is about buying from a foreign vendor. I thought I was being safe using PayPal on the Bay for three separate (and satisfactory) transactions.

But soon after, Visa flagged my card with attempts by a scamster to use it. The bank is still investigating and has issued me a new card.

What I learned from a friend with an online business is pretty scary. She regularly travels to China to establish factory orders and has visited banks in Hong Kong. And she adamantly advises against purchases like this that go through foreign banks, which she says lack the same stringent protections as U.S. banks.

"Do NOT do business with those foreign banks, even through PayPal," she advised. "If you want something from a vendor in Hong Kong, let me know and I will buy it for you while I am there. That is the only safe way to get it."

I note that most other posters here have not experienced any problems, and that is certainly a good sign.

But my own experience, and the advice of my friend in business have certainly given me pause. For now, at least, I won't be doing any business with foreign vendors.

Your friend may be well intentioned - but in reality, no information is given to the vendor other than your shipping address. To accomplish this fraud #1 the merchant would have to hack and gain access to the whole PayPal system, and #2 in your case, just target you to rip off. I don't believe that.

More likely someone got your card number by one of the many, more crude methods of credit card fraud. Just sayin... :)
 
Also, I understand some credit card companies offer some sort of virtual/online credit number you can use that's linked to your credit card, so your actual credit card number isn't exposed, helping to protect against fraudulent use. Maybe this is an option worth looking into.

Yes, but just try to find a CC that offers this; my bank -- Commerce Bank of Kansas City and St. Louis -- claims it never even heard of it and is asking me to find the information for them.


Edit: I forgot to add, I don't sweat fraudulent use too much because I manage all my cards online, customizing settings for alerts, etc... . I've set low purchase thresholds, daily balance notices, etc..., to my cell & email. I've also got a subscription to one of those credit monitoring websites (all 3 bureaus). If anyone was to apply/open any new accounts using my ID/#s, I'd be notified within 24 hours. So, *if* anything was to happen, I'd be on it, immediately.

Excellent advice, but how many of us are willing to go through all that in order to safely purchase an under-$10 knife?
 
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Your friend may be well intentioned - but in reality, no information is given to the vendor other than your shipping address. To accomplish this fraud #1 the merchant would have to hack and gain access to the whole PayPal system, and #2 in your case, just target you to rip off. I don't believe that.

More likely someone got your card number by one of the many, more crude methods of credit card fraud. Just sayin... :)

That's what I thought at first -- until my friend with the business and Chinese contacts explained that the danger is that the sale goes through foreign banks whose security measures don't equal those of U.S. banks. She has visited these banks and has first-hand experience of what she speaks.
 
Isn't it simply to just set up an account with a minimal amount in it and adjust for transactions?

My Paypal account comes from a separate account setup for online transactions.
I make sure there is only enough there to cover and then some to hold no charge, usually $100 balance beyond your transaction.

Worst case scenario, you have to fight over $100.
 
Wow, there is a bit of a price difference there.

that eBay seller has a 'make offer' option. I was able to get the Ganzo folder cheaper than exduct, and a friend of mine even cheaper than me.

not sure what the exduct shipping prices are like, I didn't want to needlessly make an account with them.
 
My Sanrenmu 710 was ordered from an eBay seller named l8177901 and I had no problems whatsoever. I love the knife, regardless of whether anyone thinks it's a knockoff or not, for $12 total I've gotten tremendous enjoyment out of it. With Paypal, just make sure you are constantly withdrawing funds from your account, I always keep my account at zero balance and have never had problems.
 
Originally Posted by risen
Also, I understand some credit card companies offer some sort of virtual/online credit number you can use that's linked to your credit card, so your actual credit card number isn't exposed, helping to protect against fraudulent use. Maybe this is an option worth looking into.

Yes, but just try to find a CC that offers this; my bank -- Commerce Bank of Kansas City and St. Louis -- claims it never even heard of it and is asking me to find the information for them.

Citibank offers it: https://www.citibank.com/us/cards/gen-content/messages/van/index.htm

So does Bank of America: http://www.bankofamerica.com/privacy/index.cfm?template=learn_about_shopsafe
 
My biggest concern is about buying from a foreign vendor. I thought I was being safe using PayPal on the Bay for three separate (and satisfactory) transactions.

But soon after my purchases, Visa flagged my card with attempts by a scamster to use it. The bank is still investigating and has issued me a new card.

What I learned from a friend with an online business is pretty scary. She regularly travels to China to establish factory orders and has visited banks in Hong Kong. And she adamantly advises against purchases like this that go through foreign banks, which she says lack the same stringent protections as U.S. banks.

This is nonsense that keeps getting repeated here. If PayPal was going to send your CC# to the vendor, why would anyone use them? I have bought many things from foreign vendors using Paypal and have never had any fraudulent charges. Anyone who makes these claims is ignorant of how Paypal actually functions. What is your motivation for repeating this nonsense after being rebuked over and over?
 
This is nonsense that keeps getting repeated here. If PayPal was going to send your CC# to the vendor, why would anyone use them? I have bought many things from foreign vendors using Paypal and have never had any fraudulent charges. Anyone who makes these claims is ignorant of how Paypal actually functions. What is your motivation for repeating this nonsense after being rebuked over and over?

Hold your rebukes and get a grip.

I have never said that PayPal is sending CC numbers to this vendor. According to a business person with international experience, the danger is with the foreign banks that these transactions must go through and their lack of security.

If that seems like nonsense to you, feel free to continue your shopping habits.

As for me, the gain is simply not worth the potential risk.
 
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Good information and thanks.

I wasn't suggesting that the service doesn't exist -- only that my particular bank isn't consumer-friendly enough to offer it (or apparently even to be aware of it!)

No worries, I didn't think that's what you were suggesting. But now you have something you can send to your bank to maybe get them at least moving towards offering that service. I'm surprised they hadn't even heard of it though, it's been around for several years now.
 
...Excellent advice, but how many of us are willing to go through all that in order to safely purchase an under-$10 knife?
Well, it wouldn't be just for that one single purpose.

It'd be a whole lifestyle change (for some), a change that'd cover one in many areas.

May as well throw in paperless statements, too. Just get your bills via email. Save the cost of a stamp, saves paper & time, and is way more secure than having that stuff sitting in a mailbox, not to mention the risk of it getting lost in transit or accidentally going to the wrong person/address.

:cool:
 
If you don't like the knife simply don't buy it. Don't come into a thread about how nifty this knife is and spout out your self-righteous rhetoric regarding sweat shops and other like things. First off not every company in China uses sweat shop labor and you have no proof to support your claim that SRM uses said labor. Second, half of the products most of us own are at least partially manufactured in China. Finally, SRM allows people who don't want to shell out the cash for a sebbie to get a model with a similar fit and finish at a near hundredth of a CRK's price point. This knife is not taking business from CRK and CRK seems to not be taking any business from SRM so why even waste time crying about it? Or do you cry babies have nothing better to do than cry all over this thread and scream copy cats because someone copied your idolized sebenza. It's a damn knife; get over it.
 
If you don't like the knife simply don't buy it. Don't come into a thread about how nifty this knife is and spout out your self-righteous rhetoric regarding sweat shops and other like things. First off not every company in China uses sweat shop labor and you have no proof to support your claim that SRM uses said labor. Second, half of the products most of us own are at least partially manufactured in China. Finally, SRM allows people who don't want to shell out the cash for a sebbie to get a model with a similar fit and finish at a near hundredth of a CRK's price point. This knife is not taking business from CRK and CRK seems to not be taking any business from SRM so why even waste time crying about it? Or do you cry babies have nothing better to do than cry all over this thread and scream copy cats because someone copied your idolized sebenza. It's a damn knife; get over it.

Being new here it works in your favor to employ a little more diplomacy...I agree for the most part, I just think a lot of sebenza owners are very passionate. Is it in the same league as a CRK? HELL NO! the two are completely different cups of coffee, the fit and finish isn't what you expect out of a sebbie, but they are a great knife, they are adjustable, and for the price very modifiable and I got one in my pocket as I type this.

The topic has gone in a circle so many times it ain't even funny anymore...people will buy what makes them happy, I'm content with my SRM for now, but I have that itching to own a sebenza that has been there for years now.
 
Thanks for the rant Murdamook, and thanks for reviving a 3 month old thread that had already said about all that could be said on the topic. :)

tipoc
 
You could have easily ignored the gravedigger and this thread fall back into obscurity but you just had to get that useless comment out there I guess.
 
You could have easily ignored the gravedigger and this thread fall back into obscurity but you just had to get that useless comment out there I guess.

WhoTF is the gravedigger and who yanked your chain? I don't even know what yer raving about.
 
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