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SanRenMu 710
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My nick here is not the same as my Ebay identity. On Ebay I am known as L8177901, which was my service number in the Royal Air Force. I'm British.
I don't want to hijack this tread about Sanrenmu knives but unlike many other Ebay vendors I only sell things I have an interest in and I thought I should try to put the record straight regarding the incidences of fraud that have been mentioned.
I don't want to hijack this tread about Sanrenmu knives but unlike many other Ebay vendors I only sell things I have an interest in and I thought I should try to put the record straight regarding the incidences of fraud that have been mentioned.
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Just to put a thought out there. Here in good ol' US of A, we have things like OSHA, EPA, Lawyers and Unions. While I see their place, they do add a significant cost to things made here. All of these things have little to no influence on the cost of things made in China. Once you factor these things in with the lower cost materials, it starts to widen the gap between what is possible to get done in one country vs. another.
Of course, this is no excuse to put out lower quality products, especially when our unionized journeymen are being paid up to 10 to 20 times more per hour. They need to earn that premium!
Great mods, STR!
I've got an old Camillus Cuda Dominator that I'm thinking of sending out to you to have converted to tip-up carry.
Of course, this is no excuse to put out lower quality products, especially when our unionized journeymen are being paid up to 10 to 20 times more per hour. They need to earn that premium!
Great mods, STR!
I've got an old Camillus Cuda Dominator that I'm thinking of sending out to you to have converted to tip-up carry.
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I don't doubt they're probably decent quality knives. If they sell knives they design exclusively and stop making knives heavily "influenced" by other popular companies, I would imagine they'd be better received and taken more seriously.
And I did think of asking this in jest, but I really wanted to ask the question to STR seriously, so here it is.
If this same company starting doing clip mods and what-not for a tenth of cost you typically charge for a job, what would your response be to that? Would you feel it's fair play?
And I did think of asking this in jest, but I really wanted to ask the question to STR seriously, so here it is.
If this same company starting doing clip mods and what-not for a tenth of cost you typically charge for a job, what would your response be to that? Would you feel it's fair play?
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I have noticed something mildly off topic, but still close. SanRenMu has a model 910 knife that looks alot like the 710, but larger and with g10 looking handles and a liner lock. Personally think it looks like a handsome knife.
On the 710 thing. I own a small classic seb, and the 710 appeals to me as a beater backup. I think it would make a great gift for my less knife-nutty coworkers. I am known as "that guy with the $400 knife" and I think they might appreciate having their own little Sebenza Clone.
As far as the whole China thing goes, I just don't put it as competing in the same category, so it doesn't bother me as much. If its a high quality well done product, that isn't gonna put a bad name to CRK, then I don't see that much harm overall. If anyone is interested in a Sebenza, this knife won't be the one that satisfies that itch. I think the danger comes when they start cloning all the lower end knives from mid level companies, because they don't have that whole "mystique" like a higher end production folder.
In conclusion, the only thing that I am disappointed in about SanRenMu, is that they don't have an XM-18 clone!
On the 710 thing. I own a small classic seb, and the 710 appeals to me as a beater backup. I think it would make a great gift for my less knife-nutty coworkers. I am known as "that guy with the $400 knife" and I think they might appreciate having their own little Sebenza Clone.
As far as the whole China thing goes, I just don't put it as competing in the same category, so it doesn't bother me as much. If its a high quality well done product, that isn't gonna put a bad name to CRK, then I don't see that much harm overall. If anyone is interested in a Sebenza, this knife won't be the one that satisfies that itch. I think the danger comes when they start cloning all the lower end knives from mid level companies, because they don't have that whole "mystique" like a higher end production folder.
In conclusion, the only thing that I am disappointed in about SanRenMu, is that they don't have an XM-18 clone!
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You're the guy I just bought a 710 and 962 off then last week
I hope they are a little tight coming in (since i read a lot of them need the pivot screw adjusted), Australian customs are asshats so I took a gamble.
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Fair enough. Let me tell you my thoughts on this plain and simple and bear with me because half a century of life is coming out here some. In a free market economy anyone can do these things and there is little anyone can do about it. What I think about it is irrelevant but it is fair play in a free market. I don't have a trademark or any IP with pocket clips. If others come along offering this for less more power to them. My guess is I'll still be here. I'll still be doing it for myself if I don't have customers and chances are my rep for getting stuff in and out quickly, communicating well and just dealing with people in general in the same way I want to be dealt with myself when I'm the customer will keep folks coming back.
This way of thinking and worrying about competition is just foreign to me. FEAR (false evidence appearing real) is a big factor for a lot of people in sales and what it does is take a person's attention and places their focus in the wrong place. When you worry about your neighbor down the street constantly watching what they do, you are no longer as productive or on top of things as you should be. So the real problem is not the competition and what they are doing because if you were dealing with your craft and chosen field correctly what they are doing won't much matter. Its you not staying focused on what it is you do best and just doing it that is the problem when you let your attention and this fear and insecurity come into your focus.
I'm always puzzled by the insecurity that comes out when a jealous husband or a jealous wife places their feelings outside themselves like its the other person's fault they feel the way they do. Oh granted some games can be played to solicit feelings from someone you know as you learn what buttons to push but I'm talking about choices in life and how in life, you make choices and you live with them. In truth when someone says to you you make me so angry they don't realize they chose to be angry and place the blame for that choice on you. The fact is if they chose to be happy they could just as easily do that but its easier to place their personal power outside themselves and blame it on someone else. (Follow me here because its no different than me saying, chosing to believe because my sales are low its Sanrenmu's fault for selling clips at a third my price.) My wife does this to me now and then with the 'you make me so mad' statements. I usually respond with, okay well now you are horny! So if I can make you mad or insecure I guess I can make you horny then right? So then I wave my hands and start the you are horny chant pissing her off all that much more until she stomps off. See then you realize its ridiculous to even suggest that someone outside of you is responsible for what you feel inside because obviously I have no more power to make her horny than I do happy or angry. Those are her choices. I chose not to be bothered by the others out there in the world doing things that may be similar to what I do because it really doesn't matter. If I feel insecure at the thought of Sanrenmu selling clips at a third the price of mine then there is something inside of me that needs dealing with not something wrong with the world. I'm sorry if I lost you some there. Let me state it another way.
What is there out there now 6 billion people on the planet? There are more than a enough customers out there for everyone. I've been in sales all my life. You can't make a living worrying about what your competitor is doing down the street. I never gave them a second thought when I competed against them in dentistry and I am not about to worry about someone else doing similar to work to mine now. I always believed that you could be the worst salesman in the world and still make a great living by doing three things very well. 'So long as you are (1)consistent and (2) always do what you say you are going to do when you say you are going to do it, and (3) communicate with your customers above all else so they always know the status of their orders, you will have no trouble winning customers or finding that most are not going to have a problem dealing with you even if you do cost a few pennies more now and then do do business with'
By the way someone already is offering low rider clips and for all I know there are others. You can buy a fairly good ti clip to fit some knives right now and it is less $. Some of my customers have bought those too. Its not custom fit to your folder, and its not as finished out or as invisible in the hand as mine until its taken to that next step but it is bent differently which makes it stand up taller. Still, its not bad. So in answer to your question. I really wouldn't blink an eye if that happened anymore than I did the last time. There are a ton of knife makers here making folders but it has not kept people from still wanting to get one from me now and then.
STR
This is a pretty odd question. Does it suggest that if a company made improvements to it's products, it would be unfair to the people who used to fix them up? This is just kind of crazy.
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The Sanrenmu's are styled like other knives, but not exact copies. I have used my black 710 at work for over six months and it has held up really well. The 8cr13mov blade steel doesn't hold an edge forever, but it holds a cutting edge for long enough and sharpens easily. My 710 had two bronze washers on one side of the blade and one bronze/one nylon one the other side. Here's a recent pic:
These are the others that I have:
I also have a couple of the Ganzo knives. The HK/Benchmade 14205 ripoff is pretty nice, but I would never have purchased it if I had known it was a complete ripoff of another knife. It does make me want to buy the HK though.
second from bottom,
thats a total ripoff of a buck nobleman:thumbdn:
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second from bottom,
See my post here:
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=763269&highlight=327+723
I am convinced that SRM is making the nobleman for Buck after owning and comparing both. They are too close, I think I could probably mix the parts up and make a hybrid. Even the small parts are identical, such as the thumbstuds and screws.
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Interesting discussion.
I would suggest that in your discussion, you might be aware of the Yuan running 15% - 20% of the dollar. A $10 knife in US dollars is the equivalent of a $60 knife in China. Selling consumer direct from Hong Kong with such an exchange rate would be very challenging for an American company to compete on a "level playing field". That's why there are so many products that we use are made in China.
sal
I would suggest that in your discussion, you might be aware of the Yuan running 15% - 20% of the dollar. A $10 knife in US dollars is the equivalent of a $60 knife in China. Selling consumer direct from Hong Kong with such an exchange rate would be very challenging for an American company to compete on a "level playing field". That's why there are so many products that we use are made in China.
sal
You're the guy I just bought a 710 and 962 off then last week
I don't think you'll have any problems with Aussie customs, I've sold quite a few to Australia.
I have a 710 and a 962 and neither needed tightening but both benefitted a light sharpening.
In reply to someones comments earlier about the 910, I think you will find it is now an obsolete model but you may find a dealer with old stock.
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@ STR
WELL SAID!
Usually for me, it's the other way around, m wife tellig me those stuff
I just watched Stee Jobs podcast on D8 interview. He basically says the same thing. They never compete with Microsoft, they just try making best product they think and let customer votes with their wallet.
Take care, you're an inspiration
WELL SAID!
Usually for me, it's the other way around, m wife tellig me those stuff
I just watched Stee Jobs podcast on D8 interview. He basically says the same thing. They never compete with Microsoft, they just try making best product they think and let customer votes with their wallet.
Take care, you're an inspiration
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I am convinced that SRM is making the nobleman for Buck after owning and comparing both. They are too close, I think I could probably mix the parts up and make a hybrid. Even the small parts are identical, such as the thumbstuds and screws.[/QUOTE]
thats very interesting,i dont own any smrs so i cant compare the quality betweem the two,i think it would be very interesting to find out if smr really does make the nobleman.
thats very interesting,i dont own any smrs so i cant compare the quality betweem the two,i think it would be very interesting to find out if smr really does make the nobleman.
I've bought the nobleman and the nobleman clone. I got the clone first and bought the buck later to compare. For the colleague it's the other way round, I first got the Buck and bought the clone (well, almost, the clone has got a clip were the Buck doesn't).
Quality is very comparable, I might even prefer the SRM's.
The sebenza look-a-like is not hurting sebenza sales I think, with a factor 60 in price difference (prices over here) and a distinct difference in quality.
For the Bucks the price difference is a factor 2.5-3, but not much if any quality difference. This may hurt the sales of Bucks, but if they really have their product made in this same factory and sell it to me at 3 times the price SRM can sell it for, maybe it is not totally undeserved their sales suffer.
I got a few more Buck knives and will most likely add more in the future, but I am a bit wary of buying there chinese made stuff as they tend to overprice it.
Quality is very comparable, I might even prefer the SRM's.
The sebenza look-a-like is not hurting sebenza sales I think, with a factor 60 in price difference (prices over here) and a distinct difference in quality.
For the Bucks the price difference is a factor 2.5-3, but not much if any quality difference. This may hurt the sales of Bucks, but if they really have their product made in this same factory and sell it to me at 3 times the price SRM can sell it for, maybe it is not totally undeserved their sales suffer.
I got a few more Buck knives and will most likely add more in the future, but I am a bit wary of buying there chinese made stuff as they tend to overprice it.
unfortunately yes, US manufacturers can't compete with overseas ones. however, when I buy a benchmade or spyderco, I am paying for high quality steel and solid construction. That's their selling point and that's what keeps me going back.
Sure these chinese knockoffs are OK knives, but ultimately they're not the same. They aren't hurting sales much in the sense that nobody who really appreciates a sebenza or benchmade will be happy with JUST the knockoff; they might use the knockoff as an EDC beater but still get the nicer blade.
lol at people crying "foul". Luckily, the SRM's and Benchmade are different quality products. However, assuming they weren't, then that's benchmade's problem. If someone else can do the EXACT SAME THING for cheaper, then you need a better business model or close up shop.
same thing with furniture. check out the eames leather lounge chair. There are plenty of knockoffs that go for $1000-2000 less, but once you sit in a knockoff and sit in an original, it's a night and day difference in how they feel to sit in, quality of the leather, etc
Sure these chinese knockoffs are OK knives, but ultimately they're not the same. They aren't hurting sales much in the sense that nobody who really appreciates a sebenza or benchmade will be happy with JUST the knockoff; they might use the knockoff as an EDC beater but still get the nicer blade.
lol at people crying "foul". Luckily, the SRM's and Benchmade are different quality products. However, assuming they weren't, then that's benchmade's problem. If someone else can do the EXACT SAME THING for cheaper, then you need a better business model or close up shop.
same thing with furniture. check out the eames leather lounge chair. There are plenty of knockoffs that go for $1000-2000 less, but once you sit in a knockoff and sit in an original, it's a night and day difference in how they feel to sit in, quality of the leather, etc
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Ok, I finally got around to tearing the SRM 723 and Buck 327 apart.
Results? Two Buck-RenMu's!
Both blades are still centered when closed and lock-up is perfect (no play at all.) This is after swapping screws/pivots/scales/washers.
thay are the exact same(almost)those buck-renmus would be a great thing to show your friends