Schrade Extreme Survival

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mistwalker said:
Ok, Inspector Clouseau,

If you are going to be looking at the other posts I put on another site, then while you are at it try looking at the real clues. Try taking a look at the dates of the first posts. I posted the review on the E.S. on Jan 27th and the first post with the S&W on Feb 8th. What is the crime of doing further testing on the E.S. at the same time I did the first tests on the S&W?
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It wouldn't jive with the claim that Taylor sent you the S&W because of your review of the ES.
 
markksr said:
Oh what a tangled web we weave, when first we practice to deceive...




POS lying shills should be summarily banned.
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As I posted in another thread

I have known Mistwalker for a couple years now and he is no shill I can assure you...

He does reviews of every piece of kit he gets. He bought the CRK look alike out of curiosity and wrote the company out of curiosity aswell. The owner replied and he was excited about it. (I have the email forwards) Mist was happy to recieve the additional knives to test out.

You may be right about this potentially being shilling........ but its purely an innocent mistake on Mist's end. I am Mod at a few sites he regulars.... I know his forum history well.

Please do not lump him into this category.....

It would be a shame to see him banned for a misunderstanding....

.... even though he is a bit of a hothead.... lol.....


Rick
 
and yet not one of you has an explanation why a "top" name knife gets outperformed by blades that cost less than a 1/3 of the price. The CRK's being advertised as tough duty knives, is from what I can see is a lie in itself, and I'd be willing to bet everyone that owns one wouldn't really trust it in a life/death situation to survive or at least have second thoughts about it.... kind of like the Star bucks coffee thing, bumping into prestige, crushes some's ego's..That being said, The CRK blades will still have and hold their value to collectors, even if lessor brands or copies for that matter out perform them, and ya just can't get upset about that, its going to happen and keep happening over and over with almost every item you have, the overseas markets are strong, big name company's are even moving there to keep costs down, and if ya got a problem with that, then don't buy foreign crap, start first from the keyboard your typing from, then look around your house, if you can comfortably throw away everything thats not USA, and start over, then come talk.
 
Wow, now this is earth shattering stuff. Thank goodness everything is good in the world and there are no bigger problems that need to be solved. Shill, or no shill........who gives a crap, I mean really is that important, do you feel violated, or just the need to go around pissing on various trees. WHO CARES where or how he got the knife, it was a review of a knife for goodness sake, take it for that and move on. Did the review take money from your pocket, food from your table......please, it's annoying, especially the grade school name calling, liar liar pants on fire.......keep it up and I'll meet you by the merry-go-round after school.......it's insane, and not adult behaviour.......just give it some thought, not wanting to add fuel to the fire, just think about it, in the scheme of things going on in todays world.....does it really matter where he got the knife from, the timing of getting the knives, the dates and order the pictures were taken in.......no one has been deceived into buying a knife, or lost anything.....buy one or don't. Magnussen, a respected member here vouches for him, that's good enough for me!
 
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Magnussen said:
As I posted in another thread

I have known Mistwalker for a couple years now and he is no shill I can assure you...


Rick
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You know Rick, folks like you ruin everything. This thread has it all... a lynch mob, mudslinging, accusations, picking at spelling and semantics to make moot point.. and here you go and take up for Mist. Just because you know him and are familiar with his character doesn't mean you have to stand for him.

This thread has been alternately like watching a pack of little dogs pile on one since everyone else is doing it, and more (to me anyway) like watching a bunch of screaming school girls drive over a cliff in a runaway bus.

Don't ruin the fun.

I thought the review was informative, and took it for what it is worth. If CRK doesn't care, I sure don't. I think someone that would spend a few hundred on a knife won't even be interested in a knock off, and would certainly know the difference. That's probably CRK's stance.

It was cool how the lynch mob changed angles though when the CRK knockoff angle ran out of gas. Now an accused Taylor agent, his review is worth nothing. Thankfully the haters resurrected the thread and it got a new life, which the injection of new venom has added to the enjoyment immensely.

But this has opened my eyes to the denizens of this venue. Since Mist has denied being a covert operator for Taylor, et al, to no avail, where does that leave us? Does that mean all the chest pounders here are liars as well? Who do we trust? Now we see that anyone could be working clandestinely with any company. Obviously now using the standards set here we can't take folks at their word.

We went through this same thing on the Barbecue forum, the Woodworking Forum, the Wood Turner's forum, and the Coffee Forum.

Eventually, the forums ate themselves up with distrust with only the folks with the most time to reply, post, investigate, and vet posts being the ones left. It sure made the party a lot smaller.

OK guys... get this thread to 200!

Robert
 
Thanks for the great review, Mistwalker, I just ordered one! If it performs well, I'm going to order a couple more for some nephews.

I'm very surprised at the twists and turns this thread has taken. It reminds me of when Fehrman knives first came out, and a bunch of the Busse crowd went into the attack mode, accusing them of knock-off's. Until we got some better pictures, then we all saw that they are NOT knock offs. Then the grumbling subsided, but I don't remember apologies or retractions...

And for the record, I'm not a Busse hater, I just don't like hypocrites and hot heads. Either way, don't sweat it. :D
 
"Mistwalker" may be a wonderful human being, but it's pretty obvious that he's lied about receiving this knife for review rather than buying it himself. While the knife's provenance doesn't necessarily negate the evaluation, the willingness of the original poster to attempt to deceive his audience into believing this was a different type of review than it actually was (an unsolicted, purchased knife versus a knife submitted for testing -- an important difference if not honestly declared when one is queried on it) calls into question the credibility of the glowing conclusions he then made about the knife.

The story seemed suspicious originally; it became more so when evidence came to light that the original poster had received evaluation knives from Taylor (and was not just a random, satisfied customer); it became damning when analysis of the photos indicated that the Schrade and the other evaluation knives were not obtained, and could not have been obtained, in the order described by the original poster.

You've been caught. It would be better, "Mistwalker," to admit that you were caught in a lie, rather than digging the whole deeper. All of this could have been avoided had you simply admitted to receiving the knife for evaluation. In my opinion, there is nothing wrong with, and absolutely no shame in, receiving a knife for an evaluation. Your original review was excellent and thorough; it need not have been misrepresented.

I don't care about the who-copied-whose design issue, because that can be handled in court if anyone has truly been wronged. I do care about the integrity of people who post reviews, because those reviews influence the purchases of others and have a direct effect on the businesses producing these knives. This is why I have taken The Great and Unknowable Hockey Mask to task for his refusal to take responsibility for his work, and to stake his reputation on it. "Mistwalker" at least doesn't write his review from behind the safety of a mask; it is unfortunate that he felt the need to misrepresent the resulting efforts.

Admit it, apologize for it, and we can all move on.
 
midnight flyer said:
But this has opened my eyes to the denizens of this venue.
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Robert, while this witch hunt is an embarrassment, there are really a lot of great people who contribute here on a regular basis and for the most part the WSS subforum is immune to this kind of churlish behavior.
 
I gather that one position taken here is that a more-or-less copy of a product is "immoral" even if lawful and that it is wrong to support those who copy by buying their copies.

I am curious. Does anyone here use "gereric" drugs? An example would be an aspirin other than those made by Bayer.
 
Personally, I believe that there are very few truly original knives, and that if a knife really is an unethical, immoral copy of another maker's work, the two parties can hash it out in court. No court case, no issue -- only price points and consumer demand. I don't believe the "copycat" issue was every the primary focus of this thread, though, except insofar as those who've misrepresented their relationship to Taylor have implied that the knife is better than the Reeve on which it is [apparently or allegedly or whatever] based.
 
There are many ways of getting carried away in these discussions, and some of you are taking it way too personally.

1) watch your language.
2) Stop insulting other members because their participation isn't articulating your beliefs.

fastcamo said:
and yet not one of you has an explanation why a "top" name knife gets outperformed by blades that cost less than a 1/3 of the price. The CRK's being advertised as tough duty knives, is from what I can see is a lie in itself,
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No one has established that any CRK has been outperformed. Some people have asserted this, but reliable evidence is seriously lacking.

thundermoon said:
Wow, now this is earth shattering stuff. Thank goodness everything is good in the world and there are no bigger problems that need to be solved. Shill, or no shill........who gives a crap, I mean really is that important, do you feel violated, or just the need to go around pissing on various trees. WHO CARES where or how he got the knife, it was a review of a knife for goodness sake, take it for that and move on. Did the review take money from your pocket, food from your table......please, it's annoying, especially the grade school name calling, liar liar pants on fire.......keep it up and I'll meet you by the merry-go-round after school.......it's insane, and not adult behaviour.......just give it some thought, not wanting to add fuel to the fire, just think about it, in the scheme of things going on in todays world.....does it really matter where he got the knife from, the timing of getting the knives, the dates and order the pictures were taken in.......no one has been deceived into buying a knife, or lost anything.....buy one or don't.
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Your characterizations of other members is inappropriate. Stop it. Find a better way to express your opinioon of the topic than by denigrating people who disagree. If you don't like grade school name calling, don't do it yourself.

midnight flyer said:
You know Rick, folks like you ruin everything. This thread has it all... a lynch mob, mudslinging, accusations, picking at spelling and semantics to make moot point.. and here you go and take up for Mist. Just because you know him and are familiar with his character doesn't mean you have to stand for him.

This thread has been alternately like watching a pack of little dogs pile on one since everyone else is doing it, and more (to me anyway) like watching a bunch of screaming school girls drive over a cliff in a runaway bus.

Don't ruin the fun.

I thought the review was informative, and took it for what it is worth. If CRK doesn't care, I sure don't. I think someone that would spend a few hundred on a knife won't even be interested in a knock off, and would certainly know the difference. That's probably CRK's stance.
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A lynch mob, a pack of little dogs? Address the issue without characterizing the people with whom you disagree.

One further note: we have no idea what CRK's position is. We haven't heard from them, adn probably will not, as they have learned to ignore these attacks.


And that's the story. Please learn to distinguish between people pointing out specific discrepancies in a story and responding by throwing out insulting descriptions of others.

Warnings and even infractions will be assessed, no matter which side steps over that line.
 
Sharp Phil said:
"Mistwalker" may be a wonderful human being, but it's pretty obvious that he's lied about receiving this knife for review ..... Blah blah blah.....
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Phil you are wrong....... I am a friend of mistwalker's and can assure you that he purchased the Chris Reeve look a like well in advance.

The man buys a knife.... writes a review(as he does with everything he buys).... sends it to the manufacturer... gets a reply and an offer to test some more knives for free...... who wouldn't?

He posted these on another site over a period of a week or two and just dumped everything on this site.... you can see he hasn't been here long... cut the guy some slack.....



Whether Morgan Taylor has alterrior motives or not ..... Mistwalker is NOT A SHILL




Rick
 
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Magnussen said:
Phil you are wrong....... I am a friend of mistwalker's and can assure you that he purchased the Chris Reeve look a like well in advance.

The man buys a knife.... writes a review(as he does with everything he buys).... sends it to the manufacturer... gets a reply and an offer to test some more knives for free...... who wouldn't?

He posted these on another site over a period of a week or two and just dumped everything on this site.... you can see he hasn't been here long... cut the guy some slack.....



Whether Morgan Taylor has alterrior motives or not ..... Mistwalker is NOT A SHILL




Rick
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Thanks Rick, sorry you got drug into this
 
No problem mist......


These guys have good intentions..... looking out for the site and other makers.....


Its just a mix up, is all.....

It'll blow over.....................


Rick
 
Perfect ESAV bash the ones that are trying to address the ones that are bashing, and actually doing the name calling. No where did I insult or call anyone names.....I have seen a mans integrity questioned here (mistwalker) and where were you to stop folks from calling him names from the beginning.....I merely pointed out how childish the name calling was......heck if that upsets you then ban me, that's what you're hoping to do to someone anyway. If taking up for someone being gang rushed is wrong, then please by all means count me as being wrong, and if me daring to question you results in banning, go right ahead, don't want to be part of a controled environment where some opinions count but others don't. I tried in several posts to stop this arguement and point out it was childish, perhaps you should read all post thoroughly before passing judgement.....read it again, I did NOT denigrate anyone, I merely pointed out words and or name calling that had already happened....and bye the way, save the Stop It for children, I am an adult with my own opinion, or are opinions not allowed by the lowly non supporters, are they only allowed and given validity by the supporting members, or those with 15,000 plus posts.....very discriminating stance to take.
 
Thank you for stepping in on this issue Magnussen. I'm glad that this all can finally be put to rest.

Mistwalker--I hope that this little fiasco hasn't turned you off to this community. I'm glad that the Taylor pieces have done so well for you, and I must say that I am going to have to reevaluate my opinion of their products. While disappointed that Schrade bit the dust only to resurface as an imported brand the quality has stayed quite reasonable for the asking price on the Old Timers that I've handled, and I must confess that while the resemblance to a Chris Reeve bothers me enough that I would feel bad in purchasing it the ones that I have handled were all very solidly constructed. That being said some negative experiences I've had with a few Taylor-produced S&w's prevents me from being confident enough in their products to actually trust my life on one.
 
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