Schrade Extreme Survival

[Phil Elmore]

The truth is that you too hate each other and only god knows why!
Above all, especially you write to many bullshit..
{created misleading expectations}

I don't even know "mistwalker." I have no reason to hate him. I do have to question why he would not be honest about his relationship to Taylor, however. It's fine to do a review of a product submitted for that purpose. It's dishonest and unethical to pretend you just happened to randomly buy that item, however, because that changes the expectations for the review.

I can show you lots of people out there know where [The Great Unknowable Hockey Mask is] living and know his face. I don't think he's hiding. It's not hiding from nobody, especially from you. Well, it's not my bisiness but Usually I don't ask another guy to send me a photo...:barf:
Now take you the responsibility, ask him one!?

He hides behind a silly mask and behind the anonymity of the Web. He refuses to attach his name and thus his reputation to the work he publishes. He's been directly asked to do so, and he refuses, preferring instead to make childish insults. He is hiding, and he is hiding specifically because he cannot in good conscience take responsibility for that work, which is repeatedly misrepresented as meaning something substantive with regard to the knives "tested."

Since you get free products from the company, you now have a biased opinion,
and have been paid with free knives to advertise.

I will dispute this, though; it's entirely possible to accept products for review and still produce objective, productive reviews of those products. I do it all the time, in fact -- but I don't spin yarns about just happening to find a product at random if, in fact, that product was sent to me. This is both honesty and common sense at work.

 

[steelnut]

I will dispute this, though; it's entirely possible to accept products for review and still produce objective, productive reviews of those products. I do it all the time, in fact -- but I don't spin yarns about just happening to find a product at random if, in fact, that product was sent to me. This is both honesty and common sense at work.

There is certainly value in these types of reviews.
It's great advertising if done honestly....
This one is well written with good pictures.

I personally always wonder if the reviewer received the same knife that I would get at the store?
At the very least I would expect them to pick the nicest sharpest best example to send....

I also think that the free knife could skew ones perceptions, unless it is totally used up like in Noss's reviews.

This type of review is less impressive and believable for me than if the reviewer bought the knife himself and had no affiliations....
This is probably why the OP presented his review under false pretenses...

 

[kvaughn]

Just read all these posts and am quite surprised to see that Rat Finkenstein has so many posts to be just a 3rd grader:yawn:--KV

 

[Horn Dog]

The reviewer said he bought the knife that is the subject of this review in a sporting goods store. If Schrade did send him some others for testing, so what? Why are you so quick to assume he is not being truthful? I simpy cannot understand the irrational hostility directed toward this reviewer. If you hate the knife or Schrade and resent that this copy of a CR Knife did well, fine. But the personal attacks and silly accusations made agianst the reviewer are sure to have a chilling effect on others who might wish to post reviews on this forum.

 

[Phil Elmore]

Given that he's been the recipient of submitted review products, claiming to have just randomly purchased the knife in a sporting goods store simply isn't believable. I'd be more inclined to believe him had his initial responses to this question been more direct, rather than thousands of bytes worth of obfuscation.

Why do you assume there is any "hate" involved? This is about conducting yourself in a professional and ethical manner. I would hope anyone wishing to post a review on this forum would take a valuable lesson about how to present such reviews and how to conduct themselves, based on this. Given that this Schrade review has been cross-posted to countless other discussion forums, I fail to see how a negative response to the presentation here is going to have any "chilling effect." People who are so easily upset or frightened shouldn't be posting on the Internet.

 

[Horn Dog]

Given that he's been the recipient of submitted review products, claiming to have just randomly purchased the knife in a sporting goods store simply isn't believable. I'd be more inclined to believe him had his initial responses to this question been more direct, rather than thousands of bytes worth of obfuscation.

Why do you assume there is any "hate" involved? This is about conducting yourself in a professional and ethical manner.

I guess I tend to assume that he is telling the truth unless I have some facts that prove otherwise. He said he bought this knife. Why is that so hard to believe? Why the hostility toward the reviewer? I am working on a review of the new Bravo-1 SS from BRKT. I don't think I'll post it on this forum. I would probably be accused of getting it for free and being a shill for BRKT.

 

[steelnut]

I don't think I'll post it on this forum. I would probably be accused of getting it for free and being a shill for BRKT.

Only if you received free stuff from them before, left that info out,
then quoted the price and gave a link for the best place to go get one.......

 

[Phil Elmore]

I guess I tend to assume that he is telling the truth unless I have some facts that prove otherwise. He said he bought this knife. Why is that so hard to believe? Why the hostility toward the reviewer? I am working on a review of the new Bravo-1 SS from BRKT. I don't think I'll post it on this forum. I would probably be accused of getting it for free and being a shill for BRKT.

I tend to assume he's lying if his accounts don't add up, and they do not, based on what he's said at other sites compared to this one, and based on his reactions to questions received in this thread.

If you're so easily scared off by the concept of criticism, no, you shouldn't post to this or any other forum. Public discourse is, by definition, public, and it doesn't always consist of a series of "attaboys."

The original poster has received many compliments on the content and construction of his review, but you seem to think this thread is nothing but a series of vicious personal attacks strung together by unfounded accusations. That is not a realistic characterization of the conversation thus far.

 

[Horn Dog]

Critism is fine. Unfounded personal attacks is another matter. It is not a matter of being scared. It is a matter of wasting my time with such nonsense. There are other forums that are much more respectful of those posting. I will post on those forums. Enjoy your little club.

 

[Phil Elmore]

You keep citing "unfounded personal attacks." What are these personal attacks, exactly? Who has made them?

 

[pppiggg]

I think nothing wrong with Miswalker's review and everyone has right to express his opinion of a product in this forum. It is really unfair to say that Miswalker is not truthful and is working for the Taylor Schrade. I do not like this product by knowing that it is a rip off design from CRK', but I certainly have no problems with products made oversea as long as it is original.

 

[Phil Elmore]

It's only "unfair" to make that accusation if there is no indication of it. The accusation has been made based on the contradictions in his statements here and at other sites where the review was also posted. The veracity of that accusation has been reinforced by his reactions to questions in this thread, in my opinion.

I've had people accuse me of somehow being "in bed" with this manufacturer or that after I posted a review. There was no evidence of such a link because there was no link, and I had no problem stating directly that I had not received any sort of consideration from the manufacturer for my review. It didn't take me two thousand pasted words to say so, either.

To put it simply: An honest reviewer will have no problem saying, "I reviewed this knife after the manufacturer sent it to me." Earnest manufacturers want honest reviews. I've had people submit products to me and warn me no to soft-pedal any faults; I've assured them that I will not. An honest reviewer does not feel the need to make up an elaborate, picturesque story about purchasing a knife from a manufacturer who has sent him other knives for review.

 

[Horn Dog]

You keep citing "unfounded personal attacks." What are these personal attacks, exactly? Who has made them?

You as much as called the man a shill and a liar. Doesn't that seem like a personal attack to you?

 

[thundermoon]

Mistwalker.....didn't realize there were other threads where this nonsense was going on. Don't let the RAT's of the world or his chums get you down.....you can tell by his number of posts that he either has way too much time on his hands, or has an opinion about everything.....my guess is both. Maybe he should turn off the PC occasionally, get a good copy of the latest conspiracy theroy magazine and go outside and get some fresh air. Personally I wouldn't post any more responses to the negative bashers, just the ones that actually have valid questions about your test. I for one found it very informative, and took it at face value....I don't care who's design it looks like, or who you got it from etc. To me makes no difference, if there's a problem then the designers and company can figure that out.....why would I care? Just my honest and kind advice, ingnore the bashing, they will go away and bash someone else....likely me, but that's okay I've got broad shoulders. The review was good and very thorough, thank you for doing it, sorry it got so twisted when you were trying to help others make an informed decision.

 

[Phil Elmore]

You as much as called the man a shill and a liar. Doesn't that seem like a personal attack to you?

I didn't "as much as" anything. If I've made an "unfounded personal attack," it shouldn't be hard for you to quote it directly, in context.

 

[tholiver]

Critism is fine. Unfounded personal attacks is another matter. It is not a matter of being scared. It is a matter of wasting my time with such nonsense. There are other forums that are much more respectful of those posting. I will post on those forums. Enjoy your little club.

Post it over in bladeforums wilderness forum.
Generally speaking most people over there (myself included) are a little more friendly/less tense than some members who hang out here, lol.

 

[GregS]

You as much as called the man a shill and a liar. Doesn't that seem like a personal attack to you?

Are you still here?:grumpy:

Quote from Horn Dog:
"Critism is fine. Unfounded personal attacks is another matter. It is not a matter of being scared. It is a matter of wasting my time with such nonsense. There are other forums that are much more respectful of those posting. I will post on those forums. Enjoy your little club."

Take your own advice, don't tease us.:grumpy:

He did lie, when he contrived that BS story about walking into the local hardware store... Stating what is fact is not a personal attack, some people here tell it like it is. I can respect that.

 

[CaptInsano]

I didn't "as much as" anything. If I've made an "unfounded personal attack," it shouldn't be hard for you to quote it directly, in context.

You make them with relative frequency. It shouldn't be hard to find one.

I don't believe that this knife out-performed the Chris Reeve of which it is a copy, though; I think it much more likely that the Great Unknowable Hockey Mask contrived his "tests" to produce the results he wanted, given his previous public defamation of the Reeve brand.

No, it wasn't hard at all.

 

[CaptInsano]

I would hope anyone wishing to post a review on this forum would take a valuable lesson about how to present such reviews and how to conduct themselves, based on this.

Few people here are "professional" knife reviewers. They can conduct themselves as they wish.

 

[Phil Elmore]

You make them with relative frequency. It shouldn't be hard to find one.

And you haven't. The quote you've cited is about "Noss," not the original poster in this thread.

It's easy to throw accusations; it's not so easy actually to substantiate your assertions. The fact is, I've made no "unfounded personal attacks" at all. I've simply pointed out that certain tales being told by the original poster don't add up.

Few people here are "professional" knife reviewers. They can conduct themselves as they wish.

They certainly can. They shouldn't then be surprised when they are criticized.