Schrade Extreme Survival

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Sharp Phil said:
It's only "unfair" to make that accusation if there is no indication of it. The accusation has been made based on the contradictions in his statements here and at other sites where the review was also posted. The veracity of that accusation has been reinforced by his reactions to questions in this thread, in my opinion.
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Could you quote any of these contradictions for us?
 
CaptInsano said:
Few people here are "professional" knife reviewers. They can conduct themselves as they wish.
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I disagree, they should conduct themselves as the rules permit according to Spark and the moderators. What constitues "pofessional knife reviewer" I review knives all the time, I dont know if that makes me a "professional".

Horn Dog does excellent reviews on this and other forums (not calling you out just know that you do alot of reviews), does that make him professional?

Everyone has to adhere to the rules of the forums.....even the "professionals".
 
Sharp Phil said:
And you haven't. The quote you've cited is about "Noss," not the original poster in this thread.
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You made no specification as to the target of such statements. You simply asked for examples. Perhaps you should have thought more carefully.

Sharp Phil said:
It's easy to throw accusations; it's not so easy actually to substantiate your assertions. The fact is, I've made no "unfounded personal attacks" at all. I've simply pointed out that certain tales being told by the original poster don't add up.
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I would call making claims without substantiation to be unfounded. Maybe you do not.



Sharp Phil said:
They certainly can. They shouldn't then be surprised when they are criticized.
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And the people who have such criticisms shouldn't be surprised when they are discounted because the premise of their complaint is a falsehood.
 
barrabas74 said:
I disagree, they should conduct themselves as the rules permit according to Spark and the moderators. What constitues "pofessional knife reviewer" I review knives all the time, I dont know if that makes me a "professional".

Horn Dog does excellent reviews on this and other forums (not calling you out just know that you do alot of reviews), does that make him professional?

Everyone has to adhere to the rules of the forums.....even the "professionals".
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There aren't any forum rules about professionalism.
 
CaptInsano said:
There aren't any forum rules about professionalism.
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If its merley "professionalism" in which you speak of and not just "forum conduct" than no there isnt. However there is such a thing as Honesty and integrity.

I dont KNOW if the reviewer has been given this knife or not from Taylor, but knowing that he was honest in his review and how he came about obtaining the knife goes farther to promote the review than to lie about it (which I am not saying he did).

If how he obtained the knife is a lie and he was given it by taylor(which is what it sounds like he is being accused of) its hard to completley accept the review as unbaised. I say this because IF he lied about how he obtained it, why wouldnt he lie about how it performed?

I am not saying that he did lie, just saying that if he did why it would be a big deal to some.
 
barrabas74 said:
If its merley "professionalism" in which you speak of and not just "forum conduct" than no there isnt. However there is such a thing as Honesty and integrity.

I dont KNOW if the reviewer has been given this knife or not from Taylor, but knowing that he was honest in his review and how he came about obtaining the knife goes farther to promote the review than to lie about it (which I am not saying he did).

If how he obtained the knife is a lie and he was given it by taylor(which is what it sounds like he is being accused of) its hard to completley accept the review as unbaised.
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I would agree and I would accept the review with a grain of salt anyway just because of the admitted relationship with Taylor and because I don't know the guy. The corroboration from Noss helps out a bit.
 
mistwalker said:
Huh??

H_ll me being honest is what got all this bs started in the first place.

I'm not deffensive about it at all. I was asked a question so I answered it. Then I was asked that same question again and copy/pasted that same answer, and I was asked again and I answered again. Now it's still being asked and guess what, here is my answer again....maybe making it bigger will help. I can't help it if the answer takes more than ten words to say and some people have a love for talking but an aversion to actualy reading.



Well…I have no real relationship with Taylor LLC other than that of a pleased and inquisitive customer who wrote to tell them so and to ask some questions. I wanted to know what kind of steel was used, and if they had any intentions of making a shorter version or other variations of the extreme survival knife because, while the E,S. is definitely a tough as nails knife, a 7.5 inch blade is a bit much for EDC carry doing research in the bush. Also that as tough as this knife was a shorter one would in my opinion make for an even stronger knife by allowing less leverage on the blade when prying or digging which I tend to do a lot of in the field. I walk for miles in the bush and I like to limit how much I take in as I am always bringing things back out for use or study back at camp or back home. I like having a shorter stout knife that has a thicker than usual blade which gives it the weight to chop like a larger knife. For the last several years my EDC fixed blade has been and still is my SOG Bowie which is as always right here beside me. Morgan Taylor wrote me to say thanks for my response. In the return email I mentioned that I had done a short review on the E.S. on a wilderness site that I write on to share what I had learned about it with some friends. He , I assume, read what I had written, and then wrote back telling me of some new knives coming out with shorter thicker blades and asked if I’d be interested in checking them out in the field and giving him some feed back. Naturally I said of course. The demonstration shown in this thread was done with one of them yes, but is by far no knife review. The material in this thread is given as a demonstration of useable, and possibly even life saving wilderness skills which mentions specific attributes of the type knife needed and attributes of the knife used. Those attributes mentioned would apply to any knife of similar make-up. This just happens to be the one I used at the time. If you are interested in a review of this knife I will go ahead and tell you now as I have already told Mr. Taylor. That the blade design is very tough and good for rough work but the clearance holes in the tang and G-10 handle scales are a bit over-sized causing the handle scales to prematurely loosen. And that the edge retention of the 440 stainless wasn’t as good as the 1095 used on the Schrade knife I had been testing for possible future carry in emergency kits. Now having said this it is only fair to also add that I did beat the heck out of just the very tip of that knife while pushing on the handle with all the weight of my 6”-2” 260 pound body. A lot of more costly knives would have fared no better. And in response to my input, Mr. Taylor said he would see what could be done to remedy these problems. I am still evaluating the knife but it’s really not for me as an EDC. But it is a damned good beater blade to keep around.

Just to mention one fact. I own SOG knives and a CRK. I have written to both in the past and waited over a week just to get a reply from some lower ranking desk jockey that actually knew little about the questions I was asking that never got answered to my satisfaction. It took till the next day to get a reply to my letter to Schrade.

By the way, I don't intend to argue semantics with the maturity challenged but I'm not on Taylor LLC's payroll (I'll be sure to let you know if that changes) and I mention the good and the bad as I personally see it, and in any case the plural doesn't apply.

and once again I'll ask this question... would a shill be dumb enough to post this??



Come on people use a little logic.
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Ok, how is this for logic. . . note the bolded text in your quote. . .

You must have completed the test of the CRK knock off and then some time later received the 3 S&W blades for evaluation, after having mentioned your review to The owner of Taylor Cutlery. . . I guess that would be logical. . .

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And here is the knife, tested long after the CRK knockoff. Still logical.

Here is the CRK Knockoff, tested long before the last picture. . .
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Problem is, you are a liar.

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You actually tested the S&W knives before or pretty much at the same time as, the CRK clone. I have a Canon camera as well- and the pictures are numbered sequentially. You uploaded the pictures using their original file names, and your deceit is obvious. The S&W pictures were taken before the CRK clone pictures.

Liar and Shill for a POS company. :thumbdn:
 
As long as the S&W pictured is one of the ones he referenced being sent for testing, that looks pretty water tight. Good detective work!
 
Oh what a tangled web we weave, when first we practice to deceive...




POS lying shills should be summarily banned.
 
Rat Finkenstein said:
I have a Canon camera as well- and the pictures are numbered sequentially. You uploaded the pictures using their original file names, and your deceit is obvious. The S&W pictures were taken before the CRK clone pictures.
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Ah, but what if he renamed the files to throw you off the scent? :eek: ;)

IMG_0101.jpg:
Camera Make: Canon
Camera Model: Canon PowerShot A590 IS
Image Date: 2009:02:07 16:26:46
Flash Used: No (Auto)
Focal Length: 5.8mm
CCD Width: 5.71mm
Exposure Time: 0.013 s (1/80)
Aperture: f/2.6
ISO equiv: 80
White Balance: Auto
Metering Mode: Matrix

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Camera Make: Canon
Camera Model: Canon PowerShot A590 IS
Image Date: 2009:02:07 16:42:10
Flash Used: No
Focal Length: 5.8mm
CCD Width: 5.71mm
Exposure Time: 0.017 s (1/60)
Aperture: f/3.5
ISO equiv: 80
White Balance: Auto
Metering Mode: Matrix

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Camera Make: Canon
Camera Model: Canon PowerShot A590 IS
Image Date: 2009:02:07 16:31:59
Flash Used: No
Focal Length: 5.8mm
CCD Width: 5.71mm
Exposure Time: 0.017 s (1/60)
Aperture: f/2.8
ISO equiv: 80
White Balance: Auto
Metering Mode: Matrix

Or maybe not. :D


The moral to this story, kiddies, is: at least remove the EXIF data if you're trying to dupe someone. :rolleyes:
 
Rat Finkenstein said:
Ok, how is this for logic. . . note the bolded text in your quote. . .

You must have completed the test of the CRK knock off and then some time later received the 3 S&W blades for evaluation, after having mentioned your review to The owner of Taylor Cutlery. . . I guess that would be logical. . .



You actually tested the S&W knives before or pretty much at the same time as, the CRK clone. I have a Canon camera as well- and the pictures are numbered sequentially. You uploaded the pictures using their original file names, and your deceit is obvious. The S&W pictures were taken before the CRK clone pictures.

Liar and Shill for a POS company. :thumbdn:
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Ok, Inspector Clouseau,

If you are going to be looking at the other posts I put on another site, then while you are at it try looking at the real clues. Try taking a look at the dates of the first posts. I posted the review on the E.S. on Jan 27th and the first post with the S&W on Feb 8th. What is the crime of doing further testing on the E.S. at the same time I did the first tests on the S&W?

Also try taking a close look at the photos and the quality there of. Do the first pics of the E.S. and especially the pics of the cut up veggies look like they were taken with a Canon? NO those pics were taken with a crappy Vivitar which I removed the date in the pics because I do a lot of nature photography and never know how I might want to crop the pics, I may prefer to keep the area that has the date stamp over it. Between the time I got the E.S. I also received the new camera I had ordered before I bought the E.S.. There is even a post on that forum about getting this new camera. In fact why don’t you try talking to the owners and other members of that site about my character? They sure didn’t bother to put me on “staff” there because I’m a cad.

I am sorry this post has twisted so many people, but in your anger all you are doing is drawing even further attention to a product you hate, and very likely helping sales of said product in the process.

My god I hope I never find myself in the field with some of you dip sticks, and I’m sure as h*ll thankful I will never to have to go to combat with you….there would be a definite need for some serious fragging right off the bat.
 
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Reading through these posts is piteous, mildly entertaining and probably somewhat foolish. To complain about stealing a design or concept may be a gloomy discovery, but the fact is (setting personal spitefulness and duplicity aside) that we use and purchase knock-off items on a daily basis, and, we make decisions in the cavernous markets based on price. What makes us nervous is the uproariously bizarre idea that China or other foreign practitioners could indeed make superior cutlery at a low price point.

The shift has started and will announce our acquiescence when the masses continue to support the monstrously cheap, but decent foreign offerings.
 
mistwalker said:
My god I hope I never find myself in the field with some of you dip sticks, and I’m sure as h*ll thankful I will never to have to go to combat with you….there would be a definite need for some serious fragging right off the bat.
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you support intentional friendly fire?
 
Stubai, please do not introduce an irrelevent factor. That is not what the argument is about. Whether the Taylor knives came from America, China, or Antarctica, the question is whether his acquisition of them is driving the reviews.

Leading the thread into a political argument is unacceptable.
 
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