Sebenza 25 Lock up question....

Muaddib1116 said:
For me, it is because of how much I like to open and close my knife, and an earlier lockup makes my thumb motion just a little shorter when I disengage the lock.
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Are you referring to the difference in thumb motion owing to 40% vs 90% lock bar travel (roughly 0.07")?
 
Strangely, yes. It seems like it shouldn't make any difference whatsoever, but I can feel it. Again, that's not a preference that really drives my decision making process though.
 
Okay, so....Again, working a lot so haven't been around so much...But, OCD.....YES!!!! I never said I wasn't compulsive just a bit, and it is probably evident in other posts of mine over the years. But, again thats me, and sometimes even leads to a bit of pride when I make something, that I know that I didn't stop until it was perfect more or less. And, personally, if I didn't care as much as I do about little things like this, and have these compulsions, I probably wouldn't be here often in the first place, or even be into knives....I don't know. But I DO know that you don't have to feel the same way, and my compulsions have nothing to do with the integrity of a Sebenza. And, like I said before, I am sure that I probably won't notice the lock bar move, at least for a long time. But, that doesn't mean I don't prefer the knife I paid 500 dollars for to be the way that it was when I sent it out.
Does Chris know more than me?.....Im sure he does! And, Im sure I won't have a problem with the knife for a very long time. And, even though I am a bit compulsive with this stuff, thats why I come to the forums to ask advice and opinions, and help others when they feel similarly.
I would like to say that if my knife was around 20-30%, I would also be very concerned. And, the fact that its at its maximum point, also bothers me a bit. Did I say Chris messed up? Or doesn't know what he's doing?...Of course not. Lets stop being silly now. And, just to remind everyone, the thing that concerned me most about the lock up being so late, was that before I sent it in, and received it brand new, it was at a completely substantially different lock up.
I am still waiting to hear from CRK, so I will update again when I hear more.

Thanks again.
 
d.weglarz13 said:
Okay, so....Again, working a lot so haven't been around so much...But, OCD.....YES!!!! I never said I wasn't compulsive just a bit, and it is probably evident in other posts of mine over the years. But, again thats me, and sometimes even leads to a bit of pride when I make something, that I know that I didn't stop until it was perfect more or less. And, personally, if I didn't care as much as I do about little things like this, and have these compulsions, I probably wouldn't be here often in the first place, or even be into knives....I don't know. But I DO know that you don't have to feel the same way, and my compulsions have nothing to do with the integrity of a Sebenza. And, like I said before, I am sure that I probably won't notice the lock bar move, at least for a long time. But, that doesn't mean I don't prefer the knife I paid 500 dollars for to be the way that it was when I sent it out.
Does Chris know more than me?.....Im sure he does! And, Im sure I won't have a problem with the knife for a very long time. And, even though I am a bit compulsive with this stuff, thats why I come to the forums to ask advice and opinions, and help others when they feel similarly.
I would like to say that if my knife was around 20-30%, I would also be very concerned. And, the fact that its at its maximum point, also bothers me a bit. Did I say Chris messed up? Or doesn't know what he's doing?...Of course not. Lets stop being silly now. And, just to remind everyone, the thing that concerned me most about the lock up being so late, was that before I sent it in, and received it brand new, it was at a completely substantially different lock up.
I am still waiting to hear from CRK, so I will update again when I hear more.

Thanks again.
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do keep updating. im curious about the qc of the sebenza. i see all these good reviews on the forum and thats all well and good but its the bad ones that interest me. for a few hundred dollar knife it shouldnt be having these kinds of problems.
 
d.weglarz13 said:
Okay, so....Again, working a lot so haven't been around so much...But, OCD.....YES!!!! I never said I wasn't compulsive just a bit, and it is probably evident in other posts of mine over the years. But, again thats me, and sometimes even leads to a bit of pride when I make something, that I know that I didn't stop until it was perfect more or less. And, personally, if I didn't care as much as I do about little things like this, and have these compulsions, I probably wouldn't be here often in the first place, or even be into knives....I don't know. But I DO know that you don't have to feel the same way, and my compulsions have nothing to do with the integrity of a Sebenza. And, like I said before, I am sure that I probably won't notice the lock bar move, at least for a long time. But, that doesn't mean I don't prefer the knife I paid 500 dollars for to be the way that it was when I sent it out.
Does Chris know more than me?.....Im sure he does! And, Im sure I won't have a problem with the knife for a very long time. And, even though I am a bit compulsive with this stuff, thats why I come to the forums to ask advice and opinions, and help others when they feel similarly.
I would like to say that if my knife was around 20-30%, I would also be very concerned. And, the fact that its at its maximum point, also bothers me a bit. Did I say Chris messed up? Or doesn't know what he's doing?...Of course not. Lets stop being silly now. And, just to remind everyone, the thing that concerned me most about the lock up being so late, was that before I sent it in, and received it brand new, it was at a completely substantially different lock up.
I am still waiting to hear from CRK, so I will update again when I hear more.

Thanks again.
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This seems very reasonable D. Weglarz, and I look forward to updates of what they will do for you like many others. I think at the same time it is fair to say that when you titled your thread "My 25 is destroyed" and labeled the perpetrator as CRK, you are starting down a certain path that will get good people riled, so you should expect some confrontation and lash-back after such remarks. Also by saying that CRK destroyed your knife, you are calling into question the character and integrity of Chris Reeve (as the person who leads the company and sets the rules and the tone of CRK), so I do not think you should be now labeling the statements from the forum members who took exception to some of your statements as "silly". Starting a thread called "my 25 is destroyed" is arguably, silly. Please let us know what the end results is, and then we can judge this situation with less emotion and more facts. Best Regards
 
Well I am the owner of the knife in question, and the same one that I feel, for my 500 bucks and the before and after, is actually destroyed in my opinion.
Can it be fixed? Sure, it's steel, can always grind it sharp again. And can adjust lockup. But, does that mean I should be untruthful in the way I feel? I understand what you are saying, but it's me that may have to live with a knife that is not brand spanking new anymore. Even now, thinking how upset I get every time that rounded tip enters my mind, I would not take back my words.

Try to imagine it, if let's say this was you, and the knife really WAS terribly serviced after you asked not to touch your new edge.... Again, not trying to be rude but I know what a sharp edge looks, feels, reflects light, etc. to say mine reflected light is a joke. The darn thing was round, and I could easily watch the light reflections ROLL around the "edge", almost like it was done with a blindfold on and not even checked. That does indeed upset me, and I am sure it would cause you to feel the same also.
Like I said, it's me who has to accept this now, and I do really hope Chris agrees with me and makes it right.
I may be compulsive, but really I am not saying these things to start a rift in everyone's love for these knives and the company.
I am hoping that I get it back in the same condition as when I sent it, and you guys tell me "See Dave, I told you they were the best!"
Again, that is all I really want, and glad to have the forum to vent my frustration, after the way it all turned out so far in my seemingly somewhat rare case.
I will keep updating.
 
Points taken. I am glad some middle ground is being found. I do hope things work out in your favour, and what has happened is that you got the wrong blade put back on your knife by mistake. I am confident that you'll be made happy.
 
kidcongo said:
Points taken. I am glad some middle ground is being found. I do hope things work out in your favour, and what has happened is that you got the wrong blade put back on your knife by mistake. I am confident that you'll be made happy.
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This is an entirely possible scenario. I sent a S30v Sm 21 in for a spa treatment and I got the wrong handles put back on my knife. The knife didn't have the Idaho Made stamp when I sent it in and it had one when I got it back. I honestly don't know what CRK is going to do for me. They don't have any non stamped handles in their inventory.. Angela told me that something like this has never happened before. At any rate, it just goes to show that all manufacturers have the occasional hiccup and that no knife brand is immune to it.
 
I got as far as the part in bold and had to stop reading this thread, again. The knife is not destroyed, not even close, and if you wanted your knife looking brand spaking new for ever you should have framed it and put it on the wall. There isn't a single "problem" here you didn't create yourself as far as I see it. This has got well beyond silly and then some.

d.weglarz13 said:
Well I am the owner of the knife in question, and the same one that I feel, for my 500 bucks and the before and after, is actually destroyed in my opinion.
Can it be fixed? Sure, it's steel, can always grind it sharp again. And can adjust lockup. But, does that mean I should be untruthful in the way I feel? I understand what you are saying, but it's me that may have to live with a knife that is not brand spanking new anymore. Even now, thinking how upset I get every time that rounded tip enters my mind, I would not take back my words.

Try to imagine it, if let's say this was you, and the knife really WAS terribly serviced after you asked not to touch your new edge.... Again, not trying to be rude but I know what a sharp edge looks, feels, reflects light, etc. to say mine reflected light is a joke. The darn thing was round, and I could easily watch the light reflections ROLL around the "edge", almost like it was done with a blindfold on and not even checked. That does indeed upset me, and I am sure it would cause you to feel the same also.
Like I said, it's me who has to accept this now, and I do really hope Chris agrees with me and makes it right.
I may be compulsive, but really I am not saying these things to start a rift in everyone's love for these knives and the company.
I am hoping that I get it back in the same condition as when I sent it, and you guys tell me "See Dave, I told you they were the best!"
Again, that is all I really want, and glad to have the forum to vent my frustration, after the way it all turned out so far in my seemingly somewhat rare case.
I will keep updating.
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Haze said:
I got as far as the part in bold and had to stop reading this thread, again. The knife is not destroyed, not even close, and if you wanted your knife looking brand spaking new for ever you should have framed it and put it on the wall. There isn't a single "problem" here you didn't create yourself as far as I see it. This has got well beyond silly and then some.
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Now I created the problems myself.....why? Because I only had it a few weeks and didn't get a chance to use the thing yet? It's a 500 dollar knife man. Is it a crime to baby it a few weeks before using it?

Or is there some rule that says I'm not a "knife guy" unless I abuse my brand new expensive knives the first day?

Well, at least you are polite, and give a helpful unbiased opinion about me and how I destroyed my own knife somehow while in my pocket.


Thanks for your meaningful input.
 
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We are two threads into a probelm that you did indeed cause yourself. You're not happy about anything here at all it seems and just keep on telling us how disappointed and hurt you are by the whole thing.
I said nothing about knife ownership and what one could or should be doing with new knives so I'm not sure what gave you those ideas about "knife guy rules"....or maybe I do actually.

....and thank you for your wonderfully meaningful threads that keep us fully informed of this situation of yours. :rolleyes:


Did we see any pictures of that rounded edge yet, I'm interested to see this alleged hack job ?........

d.weglarz13 said:
Now I created the problems myself.....why? Because I only had it a few weeks and didn't get a chance to use the thing yet? It's a 500 dollar knife man. Is it a crime to baby it a few weeks before using it?

Or is there some rule that says I'm not a "knife guy" unless I abuse my brand new expensive knives the first day?

Thanks for your meaningful input.
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This is why I closed the other thread, because I didn't want a heated debate. But you are very wrong. Go find my other thread then, I did post a pic but as I keep saying, my camera is horrible and I couldn't get an even decent pic of it. But there is a pic. And yes, you might not agree with the word destroyed, but if you had it in your hands, you would.
I say again, the knife edge was fine, that's why I said NOT to touch the edge but they didn't listen to my included note.
Also, I literally put a lot of pressure with my fingers against the rounded edge, and it couldn't break skin if you tried.
Maybe you think I'm lying. Fine. Then don't comment on my thread. I am indeed upset, but NOT BECAUSE I BOUGHT A CRK KNIFE!!!!! wow, again, it was the way it came back after the knife went in for a washer.
Both lock up and edge, I was very clear for them to leave as is.
There are plenty of people here that don't agree with what it sounds like, but you are the only one trying to insinuate that I did something to ruin my knife. You can easily let me know you feel different, without being.....yup, silly.
I will post again when I hear from them and again, thanks for the replies, and @Nikkogi I hope things work out for you as well.
 
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I don't think you're lying I think you're hugely over reacting, and it was indeed you that goosed your washer (that was the original problem, wasn't it ?). If the edge was as bad as you say it is you could very easily get a picture of it with a broken washing machine from the moon, never mind a simple phone camera right there next to this smoking ruin of a Sebenza.

Your knife is not destroyed in any way, just stop it and get a grip of yourself, man. When the knife has had a few years of use under its belt I really hope you look back at this nonsense and reflect deeply on it. :D......:rolleyes:

d.weglarz13 said:
This is why I closed the other thread, because I didn't want a heated debate. But you are very wrong. Go find my other thread then, I did post a pic but as I keep saying, my camera is horrible and I couldn't get an even decent pic of it. But there is a pic. And yes, you might not agree with the word destroyed, but if you had it in your hands, you would.
I say again, the knife edge was fine, that's why I said NOT to touch the edge but they didn't listen to my included note.
Also, I literally put a lot of pressure with my fingers against the rounded edge, and it couldn't break skin if you tried.
Maybe you think I'm lying. Fine. Then don't comment on my thread. I am indeed upset, but NOT BECAUSE I BOUGHT A CRK KNIFE!!!!! wow, again, it was the way it came back after the knife went in for a washer.
Both lock up and edge, I was very clear for them to leave as is.
There are plenty of people here that don't agree with what it sounds like, but you are the only one trying to insinuate that I did something to ruin my knife. You can easily let me know you feel different, without being.....yup, silly. Thanks
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Yes I probably will. And yes you are right, it was me that messed up the washer. But I'm serious... The edge was completely gone, and there was noticeably steel missing from the tip. I mean, I look at the knife and play with it everyday. The first thing I noticed when I took it out of the box, while it was still in the closed position.....I check the blade centering first, and something doesn't look right....it was shorter. Maybe not a half inch shorter or anything like that, but I noticed it right away. That is saying something. Again, I am a bit compulsive but I'm not exaggerating. This may be a rare case, although based on recent threads about QC it does seem to be a trend, but I am hopeful that it gets resolved. And I'm not trying to offend you or anyone else. I'm just telling of my situation, and yes Haze, I wish I NEVER bent that stinking washer....oh well, just gotta wait and see now.


And, if I expected this in any way I would've sat with my stinking camera for hours to at least get a good shot of the before and after. But again, the knife is en route, so it's too late now.
 
Oh, I know you're serious, that was never in question. :p

I can see your point but your not presenting it the best way. I too would rather CRK just did the minimum and send the knife back, I know some very much appreciate the free blasting and sharpen, but I and it seems you don't, no harm no foul.
I be honest and just say really for me it's hard to what the actual problem is here at the end of the day. The knife is a user and in a couple of weeks you will have sharpened it and scratched it a number of times and this will all seem like nothing. OK, you didn't get what you wanted or asked for but guess what, that happens every day so why let it be a feature of the day ?

d.weglarz13 said:
Yes I probably will. And yes you are right, it was me that messed up the washer. But I'm serious... The edge was completely gone, and there was noticeably steel missing from the tip. I mean, I look at the knife and play with it everyday. The first thing I noticed when I took it out of the box, while it was still in the closed position.....I check the blade centering first, and something doesn't look right....it was shorter. Maybe not a half inch shorter or anything like that, but I noticed it right away. That is saying something. Again, I am a bit compulsive but I'm not exaggerating. This may be a rare case, although based on recent threads about QC it does seem to be a trend, but I am hopeful that it gets resolved. And I'm not trying to offend you or anyone else. I'm just telling of my situation, and yes Haze, I wish I NEVER bent that stinking washer....oh well, just gotta wait and see now.


And, if I expected this in any way I would've sat with my stinking camera for hours to at least get a good shot of the before and after. But again, the knife is en route, so it's too late now.
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Haze is spot on "There isn't a single "problem" here you didn't create yourself as far as I see it. This has got well beyond silly and then some....Your knife is not destroyed in any way, just stop it and get a grip of yourself, man. "

You say "But, OCD.....YES!!!! I never said I wasn't compulsive just a bit, and it is probably evident in other posts of mine over the years. But, again thats me, and sometimes even leads to a bit of pride " Being OCD is a problem not something to be proud of. It means you cannot control negative impulses in your life that lead to problems with people and functioning.

Maybe this is all a scam, you goobered up the knife yourself and this pity party is trying to get them to waive the charges to rehabilitate it.
 
Haze said:
We are two threads into a probelm....
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Well, technically:

1. http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/1203686-Need-Help-CR-had-my-knife-over-3-months-now!
2. http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/1206801-I-need-help-My-25-is-destroyed
3. The thread we are currently posting in.

And another reference/complaint here: http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/s...-New-Sebenza-21-Small?p=13819215#post13819215

And who knows, there may be more.

Suffice to say, the status of this knife has been well documented.

I am anxiously awaiting the next update. I wish someone would post some photos...
 
Okay, well here it comes..........UPDATE!

So, Angela called me today. She apologized for the hassle, as did I for seeming upset in my included note to them. It seems, after Chris looked over the knife himself, that there was indeed a problem. She said they were not exactly sure what had happened, but it seems somehow they mixed up the blades, and ended up giving me a used one instead, after the spa treatment. Then, it seems whoever assembled the knife, DID in fact listen to my note NOT to sharpen it, so he left it the way it was, used and dull. The only problem, was that it wasn't my blade that was put back on my handles. Both CRK and I know that the handles were mine.
Angela told me she apologizes for the mix up, and they are having a new blade fitted to my knife today, in order to give me the earliest lock up possible, although she did remind me that the knives lately are coming with a bit later lock up in general from the factory.
So, once again to some of you that think I am trying to pull a fast one on CR, or thinks they know more than me about my knife, or whatever the case....You are wrong. And, I never wanted to start an argument, with anyone. Just wanted to vent my grief with my experience that again, seems pretty rare but does happen and can happen with any company. Just sucks it happened to me with my first CR knife.
Anyway, I am happy, and told Angela how happy I was to hear that they know the mistake was on their side, and that I wasn't going crazy. After all this talk from some of you guys, I was beginning to wonder....:D
and again I thank you for those of you who actually tried to help me out with advice, and to the other SILLY boys, thanks for your opinions.
Seems mistakes can happen, and oh yea.....Chris and Angela didn't seem to think that I was pulling a fast one.....and its insulting to get accused of that. so again, even though its nice to hear opinions, trying to condemn me for something I didn't do, or just plain trying to start arguments and bs on here is just immature. have a great day. Good to know CRK stands behind their knives, and I WILL continue to be a future customer and carry my sebenza.

It is a shame though, that some people here do try to start trouble hiding behind their little computer screens on forums like this, when all we want to all share in is our love of knives. This place is a great place to learn, get advice, help others, etc. Lets keep it that way gentlemen.

Again, to those that did lend a good word or a bit of advice, I do sincerely appreciate the help, and it did help me to vent on here. And, its makes me happy to have the good news about CR and my knife!


p.s. the OCD thing is funny. Im a bit compulsive, its not a crime, nor is it something I should or will ever for your sake, feel ashamed of. So thanks again for the support in this community...:thumbup:
 
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