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See John, there you're definitely wrong. EVERY politician is owned by someone...
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Sebenza Faults
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See John, there you're definitely wrong. EVERY politician is owned by someone...
I've got the small plain Classic. Why will it open in the pocket? The catchy little thumb stud hooks on a thread inside the pocket. When you pull it out of your pocket, the thread may pull in a direction that pulls the blade open.
When I figured this out, it never opened on me again.
I scrounged up every Peso I could inorder to buy the best locking folder in the knife store. I tried them "all" and the best knife in Advance Cutlery was the Sebenza.
It worked nicely on my last Quail hunt.
If the design suits your purpose, and the knife fits your hand, then the Sebenza is perfect-- for you.
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I'd have been more rabid, but I'm too sleepy!
Cheers
When I figured this out, it never opened on me again.
I scrounged up every Peso I could inorder to buy the best locking folder in the knife store. I tried them "all" and the best knife in Advance Cutlery was the Sebenza.
It worked nicely on my last Quail hunt.
If the design suits your purpose, and the knife fits your hand, then the Sebenza is perfect-- for you.
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I'd have been more rabid, but I'm too sleepy!
Cheers
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brownshoe
You are a troll.
I read your initial post again, where you state nothing new. You paraphrase other's concerns because you liked the $hitstorm. Take it to whine and cheese.
For others who have raised concerns regarding your experience with various carry configurations and thumbstuds, I appreciate your honest contributions to this thread. They are things that I have not noticed because, as I indicated, I use the slip sheath.
You are a troll.
I read your initial post again, where you state nothing new. You paraphrase other's concerns because you liked the $hitstorm. Take it to whine and cheese.
For others who have raised concerns regarding your experience with various carry configurations and thumbstuds, I appreciate your honest contributions to this thread. They are things that I have not noticed because, as I indicated, I use the slip sheath.
How about we let people be enthusiastic about there Sebenza's, and about any other knife they like. If you read my post, you'll see I like my Sebenza, but you'll also see I really like my Microtech LCC, I also like many others, including some of my customs. My bich is with folks starting theads to diminish or badmouth not only a specific brand or model of knife, but their owners as well, if they dare hold their knife in higher esteem than "you" think appropriate.
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People can be as enthusiastic as they want as long as they don't hurt anyone else...being enthusiastic is NOT a license for insulting others directly (e.g. calling people an idiot or saying things like "to make themselves feel better") or indirectly (i.e. making baseless claims that offend/harm other knifemakers or mocking people with sarcastic statements like 'they dare hold their knife in higher esteem than "you" think appropriate.')...I stand by that position
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A troll, ha, do not think so. In fact, I think this
thread is terrific. I want to hear why some guys think
the Sebenza "sucks." And I want to hear why some guys
think the Sebenza is the finest production knife made.
I think we should have threads like this for more of
the knives we spend our money for each day. This thread
reminds me of the "Lake knives have no soul." A little
controversy is good for the soul and helps fulfill the
requirements of a forum like this---to discuss and find
out more about knives. So......don't stop now, let's
hear it........yea or nay!!????
thread is terrific. I want to hear why some guys think
the Sebenza "sucks." And I want to hear why some guys
think the Sebenza is the finest production knife made.
I think we should have threads like this for more of
the knives we spend our money for each day. This thread
reminds me of the "Lake knives have no soul." A little
controversy is good for the soul and helps fulfill the
requirements of a forum like this---to discuss and find
out more about knives. So......don't stop now, let's
hear it........yea or nay!!????
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I *do* own a small stars & stripes sebenza.
The faults I find with it all involve opening it.
The thumbstud is way too small and sharp edged, and it requires way too much force to overcome the detent that holds the blade closed.
A thread I read here after buying the knife indicated the "the sebenza doesn't open like most conventional knives" and went on to describe that you push the thumbstud perpendicular to the handle and them forward till it locks in place.
Why design it thusly? It's the only knife I have that does not open effortlessy.
The only knife I haveever had open slightly in my pocket is a vallotton ice pick. None of my other custom or production knives have ever opened in my pocket. (Though admittedly I use a pouch or else the clip for other knives, the Only exception being a lightfoot lcc that fits just fine in the watch pcket of my jeans).
My feeling on this, is that if you overbuild the handle and frame lock that much, you ought to overbuild the thumb stud as well.
I actually *like* the way the knife looks. I like everything about it except for the abysmal thumbstud and the relative amount of force required to open the knife.
I enjoy effortlessly flicking open any of the customs & productions I have. For me, that is one of the joys of owning an knife.
You can praise how strong the lock is etc, but what do you use your knife for? A sebenza is not likely to be used for chopping and prying like a fixed blade busse.
For example, what on earth are you going to do with a sebenza that would cause the frame lock on my elsishewitz djinn to fail?
I like the way my sebenza looks, enough so that I am keeping it.
I like that you can take it completely apart and clean it.
But as far as knife performance, I never put it in my pocket.
I just like the way it looks.
There are plenty of customs out there with thin edge profile s-30 blades if cutting durability is a factor.
And for my own cutting tasks, any of the knives I own are more than adequate.
And a whole lot more fun to open and close.
The faults I find with it all involve opening it.
The thumbstud is way too small and sharp edged, and it requires way too much force to overcome the detent that holds the blade closed.
A thread I read here after buying the knife indicated the "the sebenza doesn't open like most conventional knives" and went on to describe that you push the thumbstud perpendicular to the handle and them forward till it locks in place.
Why design it thusly? It's the only knife I have that does not open effortlessy.
The only knife I haveever had open slightly in my pocket is a vallotton ice pick. None of my other custom or production knives have ever opened in my pocket. (Though admittedly I use a pouch or else the clip for other knives, the Only exception being a lightfoot lcc that fits just fine in the watch pcket of my jeans).
My feeling on this, is that if you overbuild the handle and frame lock that much, you ought to overbuild the thumb stud as well.
I actually *like* the way the knife looks. I like everything about it except for the abysmal thumbstud and the relative amount of force required to open the knife.
I enjoy effortlessly flicking open any of the customs & productions I have. For me, that is one of the joys of owning an knife.
You can praise how strong the lock is etc, but what do you use your knife for? A sebenza is not likely to be used for chopping and prying like a fixed blade busse.
For example, what on earth are you going to do with a sebenza that would cause the frame lock on my elsishewitz djinn to fail?
I like the way my sebenza looks, enough so that I am keeping it.
I like that you can take it completely apart and clean it.
But as far as knife performance, I never put it in my pocket.
I just like the way it looks.
There are plenty of customs out there with thin edge profile s-30 blades if cutting durability is a factor.
And for my own cutting tasks, any of the knives I own are more than adequate.
And a whole lot more fun to open and close.
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I have just done a search for sebenz's and brownshoe and getting on for 10% of his posts are critical of Sebenza's in some form or another, many of them rabidly so.
He manages to slag off sebenza's in threads that have no relevance whatsoever.
Perhpas he was abused by a sebnza in a previous life
I do not feel the need to justify my sebenza puchases to anyone and so will add no more to that side of the debate and if this post is considered out of order I will delete/amend it.
Aother thing I do not understand is why most of the anti sebie threads are posted in the general forum rather than on the CRK one???
my 2p's worth
He manages to slag off sebenza's in threads that have no relevance whatsoever.
Perhpas he was abused by a sebnza in a previous life
I do not feel the need to justify my sebenza puchases to anyone and so will add no more to that side of the debate and if this post is considered out of order I will delete/amend it.
Aother thing I do not understand is why most of the anti sebie threads are posted in the general forum rather than on the CRK one???
my 2p's worth
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Originally posted by archieblue
I REALLY think BM sucks.... just thought I'd throw that in there!
I second that!
My Benza opened a couple of times slightly in my pocket when I slammed into something in work that caused the knife a jarring hit. Same thing has happened with other ball detent knives also. Since using the CRK grease and not 'other' products, this terrible flaw has not arisen again.
Once the Benza was a knife I saw as overpriced and I also saw the owners as foolish people desperate to defend the large outlay for this mear production folder. I say ONCE, because as Mr Reeve states think twice cut once, I tried and buyed (sorry for using incorrect grammer, but bought, did not ryme!)
Think twice mr Brownshoes, Trolls don't last long here and you are starting badly.
As to the thumb stud, heck I did not like it that much at first either, I said as much! I am a SpyderHole fan! However as Anne explained, use a sweeping motion and it works just fine. Wrong Anne! I works just GREAT!
Major flaws eh? Bah humbug!:footinmou :barf:
Hope I got Happy New Year right.
The reasons for this thread were given in my second post, please take them at face value. There is no hidden agenda...I do not work for the boys in black helicoptors or with blue helmets.
This post was not trolling or meant to be cruel to Sebenza lovers or CRK. There are many kinds of testing and the only kind that is worthwhile has a lot of participants to make the results significant. Test one sebenza...who cares. Test 30 sebenzas...the results are important. The thread I summarized was 3 pages long and had complaints from many owners. I believe this is significant, a lot more than one person's opinion. Cliff Stamp tests only one knife, in my summary, you got the results of many different people testing the same model.
As far as trolling goes, I would have been happy with one reply from CRK. Even if it was just a "thank you, we'll take it into consideration." Ron of SOG, Glesser of Spyerdco, Chuck of Buck etc., Livesay of WKC, AG of AG Russell, have all addressed flaws in their products on this forum. Why not CRK? Remember this is "the most perfect knife production company around", winner of Blade awards.
Mr. Ed T., your a real wise man and did some research, however your conclusions are as good as your courtesy. I believe in truth, thus many of my posts debunk commonly held false concepts or deliver the facts as I know them to be true. I believe this is a public service for the true knife nut, who knows there is value in many knives and companies, all of which are made by humans and thus have some flaws.
The reasons for this thread were given in my second post, please take them at face value. There is no hidden agenda...I do not work for the boys in black helicoptors or with blue helmets.
This post was not trolling or meant to be cruel to Sebenza lovers or CRK. There are many kinds of testing and the only kind that is worthwhile has a lot of participants to make the results significant. Test one sebenza...who cares. Test 30 sebenzas...the results are important. The thread I summarized was 3 pages long and had complaints from many owners. I believe this is significant, a lot more than one person's opinion. Cliff Stamp tests only one knife, in my summary, you got the results of many different people testing the same model.
As far as trolling goes, I would have been happy with one reply from CRK. Even if it was just a "thank you, we'll take it into consideration." Ron of SOG, Glesser of Spyerdco, Chuck of Buck etc., Livesay of WKC, AG of AG Russell, have all addressed flaws in their products on this forum. Why not CRK? Remember this is "the most perfect knife production company around", winner of Blade awards.
Mr. Ed T., your a real wise man and did some research, however your conclusions are as good as your courtesy. I believe in truth, thus many of my posts debunk commonly held false concepts or deliver the facts as I know them to be true. I believe this is a public service for the true knife nut, who knows there is value in many knives and companies, all of which are made by humans and thus have some flaws.
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Well thanks for the public service. How about looking into Benchmade's poor QC or Cold Steels hype next?
Or better yet, are Mad Dog knives the best?
Or better yet, are Mad Dog knives the best?
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Not trying to start anything else, but why is it OK for people to make comments like that about BenchMade, but it isn't ok for people to make comments about the Sebenza? It is personally hard for me to carry my large classic sebbie in place of my 921, 940, or 806D2, mostly because I like the looks of those knives better than the Sebbie, plus those knives are as smoothe as silk to open and close. Don't get me wrong, my Lg classic is an excellent quality knife, but so are my Benchmades, which all have great QC BTW. What little QC issues people may have with the BM is pretty much offset by the fact that they cost almost a third of what the plain Sebbie costs. If my BM cost me $350, I would hold it to a higher standard, but for the price of 1 Sebbie, I was able to buy a 921, 940, and 806D2. If I had to choose only one knife to carry for the rest of my life, the Sebbie would be it. Luckily, I don't have to choose only one knife, so my BenchMades will easily remain the better part of my EDC, most likely more than my Sebbie. The main thing I like about my BMs over my Sebbie is the speed in which I can get the knife out of my pocket and opened. The Sebbie doesn't even come close. Is this a fault of the Sebbie, or a flaw in the design? Absolutely not, but I prefer a knife that is super smoothe and quick to open. There's no mistaking the solidness of the Sebbie, but for my personal style of use, my Axis lock is more than secure enough to exceed my needs. And BTW, I don't have a problem with the thumb stud because my Large classic is very broken in and smoothe, just not as smoothe as my BMs.
Mike
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"Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit"
I was being sarcastic and not at all witty. Hencerolleyes: )
I was being sarcastic and not at all witty. Hence
rolleyes: )
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Further to add to the point as we are talking about BM.
My colletion includes a fair number of BM knives. I have handled and seen/used hundreds of BM knives. I have seen a LOT of dodgy QC in BM knives and none in CRK's.
That is my first response.
Secondly my axis 710 M2 pre production model knife likes to get fluff etc clogged into the mech. Also the blade is prone to slight play and is slightly off centre. The lock is smooth to open though. I can open my Sebi faster than the Axis. Why? Because I know how to open the Sebi properly and it is second nature. What you carry you marry.
If I was honest the fastest deploy system is the Wave followed by the LCC D/A then the Spyderhole.
Besides all this the Sebi is not an over blown 'tac special' super fast opener. Though with a little thought and practice sure is a fast opener.
Let me guess, you like to 'flick' your knives open from time to time?
Another point, CRK's have always treated me with the greatest respect. BM have not. I spent a lot on BM knives, certainly more than $1000. I won't shop with a company that does not respect its customers. Chris Reeve Knives always respect its customers, even when they are plain wrong the customer ALWAYS is treated with respect. I respect the products and the people who back them up 110%. If we Benza owners can over-react... it is because we KNOW this is a very fine knife and is worth every penny. I am not a rich man but consider my Chris Reeve knives among my best value for money works of art that work (sorry Maglite).
The only reason for my not buying a CRK is because I might fancy something different or perhaps I am slumming it. Nuff said.
My colletion includes a fair number of BM knives. I have handled and seen/used hundreds of BM knives. I have seen a LOT of dodgy QC in BM knives and none in CRK's.
That is my first response.
Secondly my axis 710 M2 pre production model knife likes to get fluff etc clogged into the mech. Also the blade is prone to slight play and is slightly off centre. The lock is smooth to open though. I can open my Sebi faster than the Axis. Why? Because I know how to open the Sebi properly and it is second nature. What you carry you marry.
If I was honest the fastest deploy system is the Wave followed by the LCC D/A then the Spyderhole.
Besides all this the Sebi is not an over blown 'tac special' super fast opener. Though with a little thought and practice sure is a fast opener.
Let me guess, you like to 'flick' your knives open from time to time?
Another point, CRK's have always treated me with the greatest respect. BM have not. I spent a lot on BM knives, certainly more than $1000. I won't shop with a company that does not respect its customers. Chris Reeve Knives always respect its customers, even when they are plain wrong the customer ALWAYS is treated with respect. I respect the products and the people who back them up 110%. If we Benza owners can over-react... it is because we KNOW this is a very fine knife and is worth every penny. I am not a rich man but consider my Chris Reeve knives among my best value for money works of art that work (sorry Maglite).
The only reason for my not buying a CRK is because I might fancy something different or perhaps I am slumming it. Nuff said.
I was wondering just how long it would take before someone threw out the word "TROLL".
This is really a sure sign that you have nothing to contribute to a civil discussion.
It's like a debate about "affirmative action"--if you're against it, before long, someone will call you a racist.
When you resort to name-calling you have already lost.
It's also wrong to think that just because someone has'nt used a Sebenza for an extended period of time, then that person has no valid opinion.
I once picked up a cheap Chinese made $3.00 knife at a flea market. I could tell right away that it was not a great knife--there were large gaps between the liners and the scales, the blade was dull and unevenly ground, and there was plenty of blade-play. I did'nt have to buy the knife and use it for three months to know that I did'nt want it.
I have never owned a Sebenza but I have handled more than one more than once. I believe that it is a fine knife and it is very well made, but I was'nt sold on the Sebenza.
Unlike some others here, I maintain that it is overpriced and overhyped. And when I say overpriced, I'm talking about the price that CR is asking.
Allen.
This is really a sure sign that you have nothing to contribute to a civil discussion.
It's like a debate about "affirmative action"--if you're against it, before long, someone will call you a racist.
When you resort to name-calling you have already lost.
It's also wrong to think that just because someone has'nt used a Sebenza for an extended period of time, then that person has no valid opinion.
I once picked up a cheap Chinese made $3.00 knife at a flea market. I could tell right away that it was not a great knife--there were large gaps between the liners and the scales, the blade was dull and unevenly ground, and there was plenty of blade-play. I did'nt have to buy the knife and use it for three months to know that I did'nt want it.
I have never owned a Sebenza but I have handled more than one more than once. I believe that it is a fine knife and it is very well made, but I was'nt sold on the Sebenza.
Unlike some others here, I maintain that it is overpriced and overhyped. And when I say overpriced, I'm talking about the price that CR is asking.
Allen.
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Originally posted by The General
If I was honest the fastest deploy system is the Wave followed by the LCC D/A then the Spyderhole.
You mean you're not honest??
Besides all this the Sebi is not an over blown 'tac special' super fast opener. Though with a little thought and practice sure is a fast opener.
I agree wholeheartedly. My 806D2 is a tactical by definiton and design, and is much faster on the draw.
Let me guess, you like to 'flick' your knives open from time to time?
An emphatic YES! How did you guess?
In fact I rarely use the thumb studs or hole anymore. And you know what? If it ever wears out my knife, I'm not scared to send it back to BM for repair for a fear of them saying it was abuse and not covered. Can you say the same for CRK? Again, I don't knock the Sebenza one bit. They are a great knife. I would like to have a nice decorated model, and can justify that cost better than the cost of a plain. CRK is a great company to deal with, no doubt about it. My gripe is the fact that if somebody asks a question regarding justifying the price or the hype, they get creamed. When I first joined here a couple months ago, I had no idea what a Sebenza was, nor who made it. I kept seeing all the fuss, and did some research on them. I even asked if anyone would be kind enough to let me borrow one, so I could make an informed decision. Rev. Pete was kind enough to let me borrow his Small Classic for over a month. Then I got to use the passaround Large Classic for a week, which I recently won, and now own. I still don't know if it is THE knife for me. Like I said, it isn't seeing much carry time compared to the BMs. Do I think that just because the Sebbie isn't for me, that I don't think they are worth the money or are the right knife for others. Absolutely not. To each his own. I can agree with the one comment made by a poster earlier stating that all the hype and name calling has turned him completely off of CRK all together. I can easily see how he could feel this way. You will never change somebody's opinion by forcing your opinion down their throat or getting super defensive at the slightest comment. If you want to convert the non-Sebenzaists to the Good Side, there are a lot more civil ways of doing it. Don't call everybody with a question about Sebenza's value or worth a TROLL. They might just be a new user who didn't take the time to research the knife, and just asked what was truely on their mind. Had one of these Sebenza "bashes" not started soon after I joined, I was going to ask the same all-too-familiar "What's the big deal with a Sebenza" question. Glad I didn't, cause I would have been labeled a TROLL from the get-go.Peace,
Mike
