Sebenza Faults

Daily carry, since 1969, ~20 models of knives, other than a slipjoint cavorting with a quarter, I've never had a knife open in my pocket. Three reports of opening in a pocket in a 2 1/2 page thread is significant. Would you buy a VW bug, if in a 2 1/2 page thread on problems with the model, there were three reports of brake failure?

Per the design objectives of the sebenza, tallpaul's quote from the website sure sounds like my summary of the sebenza design objectives is correct.
 
brownshoe, you mean "statistically significant" or "brownshoe significant"? Have you done a study on other tip-up openers? We need to put these things in perspective.

Bruce Woodbury
 
Originally posted by brownshoe
Daily carry, since 1969, ~20 models of knives, other than a slipjoint cavorting with a quarter, I've never had a knife open in my pocket. Three reports of opening in a pocket in a 2 1/2 page thread is significant. Would you buy a VW bug, if in a 2 1/2 page thread on problems with the model, there were three reports of brake failure?

Per the design objectives of the sebenza, tallpaul's quote from the website sure sounds like my summary of the sebenza design objectives is correct.

Don't know where you learned to analyse statistics, but given more than a hundred posts, in a thread viewed thousands of times, with most likely a majority of viewers owning the knife in question for well a year or more, and many carrying it daily, and all any of these people could manage to come up with to report, was two single occasions when such an event occured. I bet Chris would sure be happy if all he ever had to repair or replace was two product units. I imagine any manufacturer would, I certainly would. Sounds like a pretty good record to me, given you yourself persanally report experiencing such an event with another knife, a slip joint which supposedly, by virtue of it's design, should hold the blade in the closed position under direct spring pressure. However, if the knife opening in your pocket is such a major issue for you, perhapse you should consider a design wich securely locks the knife blade in the closed position, I believe several boast that feature, Microtech auto-only models do this, as well as CRKT BladeLOCK, and many others that don't come to mind off the top of my head. Then you'll have a real gripe if the knife opens in your pocket. Perhapse you can avoid the issue all-together and buy a fixed blade. Then their will be absolutely no possability of the knife unexpectedly opening in your pocket. Given this isn't a commonly advertised feature of the Sebenza, and the resutls of this thread show how rarely it's occured, the Sebenza seems to have a good record in this reguard, despite not being specifically designed to eliminate any posibility of such an issue. Run a similar thread for any onther folder, and I'm sure you'll come up with at least two if not more complaints. In the end however, it seems fairly clear to me you'd already drawn your conclusions before you ever initiated the thread. Whatever your motives, I hope you feel sufficiently affirmed, as not to continue trolling Sebenza owners with these threads. Buy what you want, enjoy what you buy, I'll do the same, and let's all go home happy;-)
 
Whatever you think of the sbenza, it's an expensive knife relative to most production folders. And if the complaints prove valid (e.g. thumbstud makes it difficult to deploy, titanium handle dents easily, and the knife can close on your hand in your pocket), then I'm persuaded its not worth the money irrespective of the value some members place on it. The Jaguar is a fine automobile that unfortunately is mechanically unreliable and won't get you where you need to go as well as a Honda Civic can though the latter costs you thousands less. One can appreciate the art of the Jaguar and still buy the Civic. I'm going with Benchmade for my everyday carry. I tried to draw attention to this thread in the CRK forum after some constructive input from Buzzbait and got flamed "who gives a sh**". If you need to cut a piece of fruit or open a box, a mini-griptillian will do it as well as a small sbenza. And I can put the difference in price towards my son's college fund. To each their own.

Kref
 
Hey guys!! Lets all just chill out for a minute. To each his own. On that note, Looky what the mail man gave me today!!:D


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Gee wizzzz that is a POS knife that will open in your pocket!:rolleyes:

Bueatiful knife! How did you get the holes in the blade?

Just for the record mine has NEVER opened EVER from the day I got her in 1997 and I carry her every day!;)
 
Originally posted by brownshoe
Daily carry, since 1969, ~20 models of knives, other than a slipjoint cavorting with a quarter, I've never had a knife open in my pocket.
Per the design objectives of the sebenza, tallpaul's quote from the website sure sounds like my summary of the sebenza design objectives is correct.

with that statement you can't say you NEVER had one open in your pocket.....

UH... whats the lie in the statement CRK makes here:

"a folding knife which is designed to be strong, durable, robust and able to be operated with one hand needs to be simple and effective. The Sebenza Integral Lock is just that"
"I redesigned the concept and have created the Sebenza Integral Lock© which I believe to be the most rugged folding knife on the market. "

The knife is just as Chris states and it is ok to believe his design is the most rugged- he does not state unequivically that it is...



Where do you get this from in a earlier reply? "Read about some negative customer service" do you mean the one customer who complained THE RETRACTED his complaint about a need to pay for a repair after he tweaked the knife which is/has voided the warranty....
the customer service is among the best anywhere- where have you seen better? BTW I mean customer service- not an unconditional warrantee as some claim....

Guys ,as someone earlier said do a search on brownshoe and see that he does indeed slam crk everychance he gets... I also read in one of those threads in a search that he read about all the mad dog hubbub back when it was happening but yet his profile shows a recent sign on... who was he before he was brownshoe... all these anonymous digs- what is the real story?
 
"brownshoe" is right, i hope you clean the smelly brown dog doo off your shoes soon, that way you might not stink this place up so darn much!

James
 
Originally posted by Krefcenz
and got flamed "who gives a sh**".

I apologize if you took my remark personal. I was not "flaming" you. I was only showing my contempt for this post. Sorry if I came across to strong. It's hard to convey nuisances in a post. But life is still too short to worry about petty crap like this IMHO.

You should try to actually handle the knives then make up your mind. Don't let the Sebenza fans influence your decision. Don't let brownshoe influence your decision. Let the knives influence your decision.

I think brownshoe has already proven that he doesn't know what he is talking about (i.e. "cheap CNC machining", etc.) so please, take him w/ a grain of salt.

Again, I apologize for the miscommunication.
 
I hope I dont get cussed for making a observation. I have personaly played with quit a few Sebenza folders. I found them to be of great quality but they are still PRODUCTION knives, priced very high. The liner locking mechanism is the same no mater what you call it. Due to the extra thicknes and rigidnes of the fram lock style, it causes the detent ball to lock harder, causing it to be better for tip up carry. As for comparing a production Emerson or Benchmade to a Reevs thats insane. I dont care what kind of liner lock you carry. If you carry it tip up you are an accident waiting to happen. But if someone orders one tip up I make them that way. It is all about customer satisfaction and that is what Reevs does, satisfies his customers.

Thanks, Jim Burke, of Burke Knives.:cool:
 
Jim, I hope you don't mind if I ask you a direct question, and as a knife maker perhaps you are the best to answer.

Even if the sebenza is production,how does that matter?

You yourself said they where great quality, and isn't that ultimately the only way to judge a knife? (Unless it's an art piece of course)
 
Originally posted by V-1
I apologize if you took my remark personal...I think brownshoe has already proven that he doesn't know what he is talking about (i.e. "cheap CNC machining", etc.) so please, take him w/ a grain of salt.


Well, I'm glad to see that people have stopped making personal attacks over an inanimate object...clearly my posts have been working :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

RL
 
Wow. I just read the first and last pages, and skipped the rest. If you don't like Sebenzas, don't buy them. Simple.

I like the way they look, and am convinced they are of the best quality. It's next on my list. I think they have soul! :D
 
Originally posted by Krefcenz
Whatever you think of the sbenza, it's an expensive knife relative to most production folders. And if the complaints prove valid (e.g. thumbstud makes it difficult to deploy, titanium handle dents easily, and the knife can close on your hand in your pocket), then I'm persuaded its not worth the money irrespective of the value some members place on it. The Jaguar is a fine automobile that unfortunately is mechanically unreliable and won't get you where you need to go as well as a Honda Civic can though the latter costs you thousands less. One can appreciate the art of the Jaguar and still buy the Civic. I'm going with Benchmade for my everyday carry. I tried to draw attention to this thread in the CRK forum after some constructive input from Buzzbait and got flamed "who gives a sh**". If you need to cut a piece of fruit or open a box, a mini-griptillian will do it as well as a small sbenza. And I can put the difference in price towards my son's college fund. To each their own.

Kref

Unlike Brownshoe, a very valid argument here. Luxury knife, or kids college? Lets make no bones about it, the Sebenza is a luxury, you don't "NEED" a knife like the Sebenza, you have to "Want" a knife like the Sebenza. You can cut a piece of fruit, or open a box with a $3 chineese knockoff, much less a mini-griptillian. If you want a quality tool you can depend on, at a good price, you can't hardly beat the deals on Spyderco Delica or the CRKT's. Either one of them will cut fruit and open boxes. You don't have to have a kife like the Sebenza or even a knife as good as the mini-griptillian, to have a usable tool. The Sebenza also isn't the knife for you if you plan to abuse your knife, such as using the tip as a screwdriver, using the blade as a pry bar, cutting wire, or other inappropriate tasks. If that's the case, you're better off with a multi-tool. They have specialized tools that work better for these chores, and also, they're less expensive to replace when you damage them. So the extra you're paying for a Sebenza, you are paying for luxury, not for utility. Having owned a Sebie, the thumbstud could be more luxurious, but it's a long way from impeding function, I can't think of much short of deliberate abuse, like pounding it with a hammer, that would dent the handles, scratch maybe, but dent no, and finally the detent does and excellent job of keeping it closed for tip up cary, as good as any kife I've ever carried tip up, and much better than any liner locks I've tried. But as you say, to each there own, and I fully see that if you're not willing to pay extra for luxury in a knife, then you can get along quite well, with less expensive tools. That same criteria would eliminate more than half the kives discussed on this board, but I understand the reasoning. I work for a living, and shop regularly at Walmart and Home-Depot. They're probably where you'll want to shop, they usually do have the best deals budget users.
 
Yeah, anyone who would spend that kind of money on a pocket knife is an idiot. Thats what you all are, a big, stupid bunch of idiots.
 
Brownshoes, congrats your probably going to read this and yes your short trolling spree has been ended. Of course you'll probably be a little **** and come under a new I.D. (do us both a favor and try to stay longer then a day!) Last time I checked it is OUR ****ING MONEY! I'm not bashing you, I'm not agianst poor people but don't go around insulting people just because you can't get something!
 
BG, What have you done! You have taken a perfectly nice looking knife and made it look like a (gasp) Mayo! I hope youre happy. :)
 
Bad Guy,
Man, I think you got a little Mayo on your Benza...wait...that doens't sound quite right....:rolleyes: :p
Matt
BTW, The Delta Z rocks! Thanks again!
 
Originally posted by Megalobyte
BG, What have you done! You have taken a perfectly nice looking knife and made it look like a (gasp) Mayo! I hope youre happy. :)

I am VERY HAPPY!! That guy on the island knows his knives!!:)
 
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