Sebenza Faults

Originally posted by RL
My sensibilities are no more delicate than yours...I thought it was clear that my post was generic when it started with the words "People can be"...your quotes were used as an illustrative example of the type of thing I am talking about...but thank you for considering my feelings so carefully.

RL
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Good to hear RL, hey, Hope we bump into eachother at a knifeshow some day. ;-)
 
Wow.........all of this over a damned pocket knife? I'll spend my money how I like.......Hey! I have an idea! Why doesn't everyone else spend their money how they like as well?! What a concept!

(And I thought Glock fans were rabid.)
 
my good ol' BM CQC7 was such a good knife. BM has crapped out ever since. I will GLADLY eat my words when presented with a selection which is fit/finished worth a damn. I'm not talking about someones carefully picked through collection... I'm talking about KNIVES AT A KNIFE STORE... I don't believe I've even held two consecutive BMs that could be considered very good and DEFINATELY not worth the price. I can't believe that anyone would even consider the axis lock acceptable. With that tiny little spring behind the whole system.... I like to feel prepared when I go out for the day. With a WEAK LINK like that little spring, I'd just as soon rely on my SAK's blade.

You're right though... I AM anal about these things...that...or I have a better understanding of possibility. If MT can do it for $100, then BM is skimping somewhere ane may as well be stealing from the end user.
 
Originally posted by Megalobyte
i do find a little offensive is when the Sebenzas great reputation is called "hype". This suggests that the great things you see all over the internet and other places about the quality of the Sebenza is somehow artifical, driven by marketing, when in reality, what you are calling "hype" is simply glowing reviews and recommendations of this knife by people who own and use them. Surely to label this as mere "hype" is incorrect.
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The only reason I use the term "hype" in my post is because of all the "The Sebenza is the best folder in the world, Bar None." comments I see. I have seen these from day one of joining, and still see them today. That is hype. I'm not trying to knock the Sebenza's quality one bit, but to say it is the best in the world without any definitive criteria or tests done to prove it worthy of holding that title, it's nothing more than hype. It's no different than me saying the Toyota Corolla is the best, most reliable compact car in the world. This is hype, although, at least there are several categories, and repair data that can prove or disprove that fact, unlike the Sebenza. At least with cars, there are statistics comparing the number of cars sold to the amount of repairs done. This can prove a car to be the most reliable in the world. Again, I'm not knocking the Sebenza one bit, but when comments are based on personal feelings and opinion, they become hype. When they are based on proven "scientific" data, if you will, then they become fact. That's all.

Peace,

Mike

Oh, Archieblue, sounds like your local BM distributor needs to dump his stock and have it replaced. I guess I got lucky with all the BMs I just purchased, sight unseen I might add, because they are practically flawless. I say practically because I'm sure somebody could find fault. For the money though, their value can't be beat. Hey, I guess that could be called hype huh?
 
The only reason I use the term "hype" in my post is because of all the "The Sebenza is the best folder in the world, Bar None." comments I see
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That is a rather silly statement for someone to make. We all know the Microtech LCC D/A is!!;)
 
Hey,

I have heard the given faults and arguements regarding the Sebenza. I would like to hear what the people busting on Sebenza think is a better production knife. I havent heard that yet.

I have two sebbies and love them. I have a few custom folders(Mayo and Obenauf and Lahrmann) and love them. What other production folders compare to or are better(opinions wanted)than the Sebenza?

I would really like to know for buying purposes. I am ready to buy something new.

Come on busters, name them!!;)

Mike
 
Originally posted by RL
Thank you for providing a perfect example of what I have been talking about...someone makes an anti-Seb comment and it leads to a "witch-hunt" of his old posts in an effort to discredit him...so what if he doesn't like the knife and he has been vocal about it in previous posts? what makes his threads "have no relevance whatsoever"???? Why don't people go through all the old posts of someone who "dares" to find fault with a Benchmade?

While I'm responding to your post...you are ABSOLUTELY correct that you don't have to justify your knife purchases but, IMHO, you DO have to justify why you are personally attacking someone (or at least trying to discredit them) because they don't agree with your tastes...perhaps it wasn't your intention but this is a "tight" community and if at least one person sees it that way...

Why do the anti-sebbie threads get posted here instead of the CRK forum? probably the same reason that the pro-sebbie posts get posted outside the CRK forum.

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RL - I must take you up on several of the points you made about my post

It was not a witch hunt against anyone but as I remembered that I had read rabid anti sebenza postings form brownshoe I would have a look to see if I was correct in my thinking.

About his threads having no relevance I was talking about the way he is commenting on one knife and then says something like and BTW sebenza's are sh*t not that his posts have no relevance.

As to posting inside/ouside of forums: I post anything to do with CRK knives in the CRK forum - is that not the reason to have seperate forums ? or am I missing something here?????
 
archie, the springs could be yanked out of an axis lock completely and the knife could still be used. No biggy really.
 
This is now ridiculous. This thread has gone from the faults of a particular knife to name-calling and everything in between. I've said it before in other post's , I've said it in this post, and I'll say it again; IF YOU DO NOT LIKE THE SEBENZA, DO NOT BUY THE SEBENZA! I think that is simple enough.:D
 
To be skeptical is not to troll, but to be human.

Like any good knife nut, I'm always looking for the best...this place says sebenza over and over again like an african drum choir. I shopped, couldn't see the big deal. Read about the company, read interviews with the maker, perused their forum, handled the product, numerous times and was decidedly unimpressed. The facts didn't match the drum beat of sebenza, sebenza, sebenza. I felt alone, but soon found out I wasn't. Found out that one dealer and one B&M store won't carry them, but they won't say why. Found out about their monopolistic pricing policy, no warranty for flicking, open in the pocket, ugly, have to pay extra if your left handed. Read about some negative customer service, how cheaply a CNC can make things perfect and it feels, smells and tastes like hype. Hype that is a disservice to the possibly naive user, buyer or collector.

I've been flamed in the past for criticizing w/o facts. This thread just summarizes the results from a pool of sebenza owning knife nuts...judge for youreslf.

This thread was not posted in the CRK forum, because CRK hype is spread all over this place. Let CRK arise from the depths and respond to legitimate issues with their product if they desire. Posting it on their forum doesn't mean it'd be answered. They ignore a lot on their own forum as it is.

Per the personal attacks, as always it helps keep me humble. Christ, Allah, Yaweh, Buddah, and a host of others believe humility is a virtue. Thank you Mr. Buzzbait for allowing me the same privilege to excecise my opinion that you excercise over and over and over and over again on these forums. Will my sock fit your mouth? My negative comments are usually related to debunking some myth. However, Mr. Buzzbait if you remember, when it comes to Tony Bose with pearl slabs being the closest thing to perfect...we're in total agreement.
 
Brownshoe - Exercising your opinion is one thing, but starting threads with a personal agenda against a manufacturer is another thing. There is a popular manufacturer in the world of knives, whose products that I personally feel are pretty lousy for the price. I’ve been burned by this company’s knives on multiple occasions, and won’t ever buy another one. You don’t see me starting threads to bash the company. If you were to start a thread bashing this manufacturer, I'd still disagree with your actions and recommend that the thread be removed from the board, no matter how much I agreed with your conclusions. I view my opinions as my own, and am perfectly happy to let other people make their own decisions about this company. If a number of very experienced knife hobbyists feel that the knives are worthy of the price, their criteria may just be different from my own. No biggie.

You seem to feel compelled to start threads in order to bash Chris Reeve. I don’t care whether it’s Chris Reeve, Spyderco, Benchmade or Microtech. It’s still wrong, and does the knife community a disservice, attempting to discredit a highly respected company. If they’ve earned the respect of the knife community, you can bet there’s a darn good reason. If you don’t like their knives, live with it. If others do like their knives, live with it. Free speech is a wonderful thing, but like anything else, it can be abused by people who don’t fully comprehend the ramifications of their words.

Instead, I suggest that you start threads about the manufacturers you do like, and point out the features of these knives that make them so darned good, and dump to bashing, debunking or whatever name you’d like to put on it today. You’ll do a whole lot more good that way, and earn much more respect from the members of this board.
 
SEBENZA

i love mine, love it, love it.

works great, over and over and over and over... :D

Tam
of course, i like my cold steel, benchmade knives, and customs, too

i love them all!!
 
Originally posted by brownshoe

Found out that one dealer and one B&M store won't carry them, but they won't say why. Found out about their monopolistic pricing policy, no warranty for flicking, open in the pocket, ugly, have to pay extra if your left handed. Read about some negative customer service, how cheaply a CNC can make things perfect and it feels, smells and tastes like hype. Hype that is a disservice to the possibly naive user, buyer or collector.
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Wow. Really getting a bit out of hand. However, I found out that if someone complains too loudly about a product while others love the item, it usually is a pretty good product. The end result of this thread, for me, is that I am buying a large Sebenza. Brownshoe,"Me thinks you compain a bit too much". I am buying one!
 
I am in the market for an EDC. And I would have considered a small sbenza. The revelation that the knife has opened in some owners pockets is sufficient to make me at least take a closer look before buying a sebbie. I'm not willing to rule out a purchase of a sebbie based on his first post of this thread. But, his summary of other comments is helpful to me. Regarding his personal agenda "against" CRK, it seems to me he is asking them to provide some response to adverse consumer feedback. Surely the only outcome of customer/knife manufacturer discussion can be an even better sbenza in the future. Why is this such a bad thing?

Kref
 
Originally posted by Krefcenz
Regarding his personal agenda "against" CRK, it seems to me he is asking them to provide some response to adverse consumer feedback. Surely the only outcome of customer/knife manufacturer discussion can be an even better sbenza in the future. Why is this such a bad thing?
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Therein lies the problem. He is not asking Chris Reeve for a response. If he wanted a response from Chris Reeve, or at least wanted to make sure that Chris Reeve read his words, he would have posted in the Chris Reeve forum, emailed Chris Reeve, faxed Chris Reeve or called Chris Reeve on the telephone. This thread serves no purpose to cause improvement to the product, or make Chris Reeve aware of his opinions.
 
brownshoe - you should get your facts straight

you do not pay extra for a lefthanded knife and at leat they do true lefthanded versions of all their folders unlike any other manufactrer that I can think of.

I expect CRK not to answer your queries because of the tone that they are placed.

They do, and will, answer genuine problems you have with their products as I know form first hand experience.
 
I have used my small sebenza daily for three years or so... My mainline job is as a full time landscaper. This knife is not babied. It has never opened on me by accident even once. As far as thumb studs go the size is a balance. Bigger would catch on more as well as having double thumstuds which are available BTW. A spydy hole would require a humpbacked blade etc... Your two big faults are subjective. Out of the thousands of sebenza out there have been few cases of it opening by itself and even those were not done just sitting there... Hey a model T was available in any color you wanted as long as it was black... Chris Reeve builds what he wants and owes you no explanation brownshoe.... as far as your demanding answers most of your questions have been answered by CRK- it is just that you and others don't like the answers. Heck if someone is critical of my company and "calls me out" why do you feel I even have to waste my time? CRK leaves the uncomplimentary threads up and does not delete them as some manufacturers do. The non-response does speak volumes, but then again you and those like you do not like the answer so you feel they are wrong. These are not real issues, they are design and aesthetic issues- If you do not like it fine there are other designs for you to buy.If you are not a customer with a legitimate complaint why do you feel you are entitled to anything? Some bring out the "flicking thing" well you can "flick" a revolver cylinder shut and may enjoy doing so but it is not the best thing to as they are not designed that way. If CRK states that he did not design it to be flicked open it does not mean its a flaw. Again there are other knives designed for that style- buy one if that is your thing.
 
Originally posted by bagman
RL -.............
As to posting inside/ouside of forums: I post anything to do with CRK knives in the CRK forum - is that not the reason to have seperate forums ? or am I missing something here?????
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You know what the saying, "preaching to the choir", means, Harvey?
 
Originally posted by Buzzbait
Therein lies the problem. He is not asking Chris Reeve for a response. If he wanted a response from Chris Reeve, or at least wanted to make sure that Chris Reeve read his words, he would have posted in the Chris Reeve forum, emailed Chris Reeve, faxed Chris Reeve or called Chris Reeve on the telephone. This thread serves no purpose to cause improvement to the product, or make Chris Reeve aware of his opinions.
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Thanks Buzz. I see your point. Your review some months back comparing the Sebenza with the Benchmade 710 is still one of the best and most helpful knife reviews I have had the pleasure to read.

Kref
 
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