Sebenza - I just couldn't do it...

DShiflet said:
LOL@"we don't criticize your choices". I see people here looking down on people who only use cheap knives all the time, so I call BS on that one bro. And why do we post negatively about high end knives? Well, I can't speak for anyone else, but I do it cause it's a knife board, we talk about knives here, that's sorta, you know, the reason the board exists. Didn't know we were only allowed to offer unwavering praise for what we post about.
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So, do you not like the knife, or the people who buy them?
 
In the spirit of this forum as long as you've had one and used it for awhile your entitled to your opinion, in that case it's either worth it to you or not.

Other than that either way all your trying to do is sway the opinions of the people who've never used one and really the only way to know if you think it's worth it is to try one for yourself.
 
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I used to subscribe to the mentality that CRK's are way over priced, and it takes a special kind of a-hole to buy one.

I really don't like to make opinions based on ignorance, so I decided to look into why they are so darned expensive, and how could I justify dropping the cash for one. I learned enough and saved my nickels and went ahead and got one, and it was painful.

After having and using it for a few months, in my opinion, it's worth every dollar, and I quit buying so many cheaper knives so I can buy my next CRK.
I do venture out into the rest of the forum, and have not noticed any high end owners putting down or insulting anyone for having cheap knives, and I am kinda surprised by that guy's statement.
 
This debate should not be getting heated. The OP just didn't like a knife. I don't like it either. We are all entitled to our opinions. Nobody here has a right to look down on somebody because they do or don't like a specific knife.

Reeve knives are damn fine, but the style of them is very specific. I find them bland and strongly dislike beat blasted titanium. Many other people find them to be beautiful. Consider CRK the Ferrari (or Lamborghini) of the knife world. Sure, other knives perform better, or are cheaper, but many of them lack the passion in the build quality. They are made with a very distinct style, one which I dislike, but many others love. They are not the best knives ever, but if you like the style and enjoy the luxury, you cannot beat them.
 
I went back and re-read all the post in regards to DShiflet' s posts and I don't see anywhere where he posted that he ever owned one, so with that in mind his is just an unsubstantiated opinion as far as I'm concerned.
 
I agree, it is always best to educate oneself before forming an opinion.
I certainly respect dkb's opinion more than the other guy's.
 
cncpro11 said:
I agree, it is always best to educate oneself before forming an opinion.
I certainly respect dkb's opinion more than the other guy's.
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Not everything I say is a gem, but I do have a few wonderfully polished nuggets.
 
T. Erdelyi said:
I went back and re-read all the post in regards to DShiflet' s posts and I don't see anywhere where he posted that he ever owned one, so with that in mind his is just an unsubstantiated opinion as far as I'm concerned.
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I don't own one, I have handled and used one. I handle a lot more knives than I own, thanks to friends who are more hardcore collectors than I am.
 
This thread hits home because I have been on both sides of the fence. For the longest time I couldn't justify spending that kind of money on a knife, especially one I was going to use. (I use all my knives, no collector pieces for me). I have been on the hunt for the perfect small/medium size folder, and I have found some very good knives along the way. So after buying an Acies 2 and a WH E6 which are very nice, but still not quite perfect for me I decided to buy a CRK Small Insingo. BAM! Yes! This is it! (Cue the angels singing and the sun rays shining through breaks in the clouds.) I LOVED it immediately. I could sell all my other folders and be happy. I won't, but I could. :D It's smooth, there are zero F&F issues, it's beautiful, and I know when it gets marked up from use I can send it to the spa...

BTW, this is after buying a Large Sebenza and thinking... meh... and selling it. Go figure, right??? However, now after sending my Bradley Alias I back to BM for it's second round of warranty repair I went and bought a Sebenza 25 to give it another shot.

Anyway, long story short. If you can afford it, you owe it to yourself to give them a shot. If they don't jive with you, there is a great secondary market for them.

My name is Erik, and I have a knife problem.
 
I got caught up in the hype and had to have one.
Over all I think they are a bit overpriced maybe $50-75 but I respect them and enjoyed owning a small CF one.

Based on function it doesn't really do it for me it just didn't feel right in my hand and edge holding was good but my Spyderco Southard out performs it as a tool in every way IMO.

Like all things in life if you don't like them don't buy one. I think that the hate comes from the fact that Mr Reeves makes big money on such a basic item. I say good for him
 
dkb45 said:
This debate should not be getting heated. The OP just didn't like a knife. I don't like it either. We are all entitled to our opinions. Nobody here has a right to look down on somebody because they do or don't like a specific knife.
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Just to be clear, I like almost all of Chris Reeve's knives very much. I have used a friends Umnum often. It is great. I wanted to try one "when I found a good deal" and when I could afford it. I finally can afford it and found a couple good deals. In the end, I just didn't fall in love and didn't need one that badly.

I completely agree with those who are pointing out that nobody needs to be put down for the level of knife, car, rollerskates, or baseball cards that they justify to themselves is the right purchase :)
 
ShooterMcgavin said:
Just to be clear, I like almost all of Chris Reeve's knives very much. I have used a friends Umnum often. It is great. I wanted to try one "when I found a good deal" and when I could afford it. I finally can afford it and found a couple good deals. In the end, I just didn't fall in love and didn't need one that badly.

I completely agree with those who are pointing out that nobody needs to be put down for the level of knife, car, rollerskates, or baseball cards that they justify to themselves is the right purchase :)
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I will berate a rollerskate collector. That is 5 kinds of weird.
 
HALO V said:
What you're paying for is EXTREMELY good warranty, quality, work put into it, etc.
The Senenza is a VERY GOOD knife and not overpriced at all.
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<3 ya bud but thats a very opinionated statement. Really have no interest in a pissing match with you but many other companies produce similar products with better quality materials at a better price point. Now granted, I personally don't know what kind of R&D costs Chris had, nor do I know the amount he has invested into each knife with materials, labor etc however I'd venture to say you don't either. If I am wrong by all means enlighten me.

Fact is, it's an s30v / s35vn knife and at the end of the day, you can't take anything away from KAI's warranty and their quality in the zt 0550/51 60/61 series to name a few.

Is a CRK sexy? PSHHT HELL YES. Is it "Not overpriced at all"...... Can't say.

(P.S., LOVE my Umnumzaan incase a do you own one question was coming up)
 
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I keep reading the same statements over and over.

"It's just s30v, it's just titanium, my blah is just as good, blah company has just as good CS"......

There is a reason Chris Reeve wins the quality award every year. No one else is willing to come close to the standards set by CRK when it comes to quality.

I have been in manufacturing since 1994, and when it comes to production, the one thing besides labor that adds cost is QC.

Very few companies in the world inspect 100% of their product throughout the entire manufacturing process, and the companies that do, often sell their products at prices that are way out of reach for most people.

Holding ultra tight tolerance, 100% dimensional and functional inspection, and hand fitting \ finishing of each knife is something that I can appreciate and am willing to pay a premium for.
 
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cncpro11 said:
I keep reading the same statements over and over.

"It's just s30v, it's just titanium, my blah is just as good, blah company has just as good CS"......

There is a reason Chris Reeve wins the quality award every year. No one else is willing to come close to the standards set by CRK when it comes to quality.

I have been in manufacturing since 1994, and when it comes to production, the one thing besides labor that adds cost is QC.

Very few companies in the world inspect 100% of their product throughout the entire manufacturing process, and the companies that do, often sell their products at prices that are way out of reach for most people.

Holding ultra tight tolerance, 100% dimensional and functional inspection, and hand fitting \ finishing of each knife is something that I can appreciate and am willing to pay a premium for.
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Just for the record, I don't think anyone has argued that the knives aren't well made...just some of us view them as not being worth the price because for us, the differences in QC aren't going to be noticeable enough to justify paying 4x as much than (X other brand) knife. Yes, the ZT/Spyderco/whatever knife may not have quite the same tolerance as a CRK...but at least for me, I know that the odds of me needing or noticing that difference in tolerance is about the same as the odds of me being struck by lightning while engaging in a threesome with a pair of supermodels. If you want to pay that fine, if it appeals to you, so be it. Some people would never pay the money for a Rolex, or a Porsche, or whatever, other people would. But please don't assume we were saying CRK makes poor quality knives or anything like that, it's just for me(and others, apparently), the tighter tolerances aren't enough to justify paying twice or more the price of whatever other knife it is we prefer.
 
I'd have bought them to flip them, at the very least. There's a good $500 sitting around there that is just waiting to be made.
 
My problem is different - the small is too small and the large is too large. However, I found a similar one - Grayman Dua, that hits the sweet spot in my hand. And it uses the same pivot system the seb does - Zero play with buttery smooth deployment. And they have excellent customer service.

Different folks, different strokes, that's it.
 
I'm sure spending 400$-500$ on ANY knife is a tough pill to swallow for a LOT of people.

Personally I like the fact that I can send my Sebenza in anytime I want and have it refurbished back to what it looked like when I first bought it.

That was a huge selling point for me.
 
Didn't read through the entire thread as every single thread like this is the same. It's not always about price/value/looks. etc.. I can buy an $800 Marlin lever action rifle that functions, shoots & serves me well. I can also buy a $5500 customized gun that does all that a little smoother, gives me a top notch warranty & pride of ownership above and beyond.

We're all at a certain place with our means, wants, desires & needs and to many $350-$400 is not really an expensive knife. CRKs, Hinderers, etc.. are pretty pricey to many but they are also better than the dollar right now.
 
Most people will never wear out a knife with the same warranty offered by another company. Other companies offer much more product line, better ergo's etc. The reality is 99% of the owners I've met who own knives on that level simply want to brag, show it off or feel better as if they own something superior when in reality, it's a tool. A knife is a tool that's best applied and used in many situations. Buying a $450.00 tool to some who need money for other essentials is ridiculous and I completely understand that.

I Love the zaan, think it's an awesome blade, but it would easily be the first thing to be sold for that very reason.
 
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