Sebenza Overrated?

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Have a small seb w/ blackwood inlays! Its a beauty! I haven t found a knife with better fit and finish than CR. My only issue is its so nice looking im kinda afraid to put it to use!! Surely a $100 spydie will get the job done but if you want the Rolls royce get a CR!
 
Ankerson said:
A lot depends on how hard they run the S35VN, it could go from a small difference to a large difference. That's taking into count that they Run S30V around 58-59 RC.
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By the looks of the spec sheet on the Nyala it will be the same RC as the S30V.
 
I feel like you get your money's worth with a CRK product, especially if you buy a used one. I would rather have one CRK than three or four spyderco's or benchmade's. I don't mind spending a few hundred on a knife I'll use almost everyday. I think some people go overboard on the latest and greatest steel. ATS-34 or s30v are plenty good enough for me.
 
Sargent 666 said:
I think you are right ... I really like Benchmades 154CM !
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You're both right Benchmade uses the 154 CM. Phillip Dobson posted "Crucible makes both 154CM and CPM154. The foreign equivalents are ATS-34 (standard), and RWL-34 (powdered)."

I don't understand why all of the snarky remarks about Confederate's Taurus and CRKT Ti framelock. He clearly stated that he didn't think his knife should cost more than his pistol. He didn't insult CRK or anyone else.

His knife satisfies his needs which don't require a Sebbie and his pistol is quite well made. Here's one of many independant reviews: http://www.christiangunowner.com/taurus_reviews.html

There are a h*ll of a lot of knives that cut just as well or better than a Sebenza. I liked mine but the handles, as I've stated 100 times are too short for my hand and with the upswept rear end, bother my gripping hand. :)
 
bld522 said:
That's true. As a matter of fact, S35VN and S30V have exactly the same aim hardness . . . 58-61 HRC.
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I know they do, but it looks like they can run 35VN higher because it's tougher than 30V.

That is assuming they can get a Heat Treater to hit 60-61 RC consistently.
 
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Josh K said:
Rolex is still a mechanical marvel. Try getting any mechanical Seiko to hold <+-5 sec a day.
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My Seiko Monster holds less than a half second a day. Before you ask, yes I know what I'm talking about. I check it against atomic time and it holds time even more accurately than my quartz watches that hold around a half second a day. I do have to set it flat, face up every night on my dresser to keep it regulated that well.
I know I got very lucky with this watch as some will lose or gain but mine is beyond COSC standards. :D Sorry for the thread diversion but I had to correct this statement.
 
hoopster said:
My Seiko Monster holds less than a half second a day. Before you ask, yes I know what I'm talking about. I check it against atomic time and it holds time even more accurately than my quartz watches that hold around a half second a day. I do have to set it flat, face up every night on my dresser to keep it regulated that well.
I know I got very lucky with this watch as some will lose or gain but mine is beyond COSC standards. :D Sorry for the thread diversion but I had to correct this statement.
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Probably not because the standards indicate it has to hold that in 5 positions through temperature change as well.

But you're more then welcome to think a Seiko Monster is comparable to a Rolex. :rolleyes: Heck you can't even manually wind that if I'm recalling the model correctly.
 
Josh K said:
Probably not because the standards indicate it has to hold that in 5 positions through temperature change as well.

But you're more then welcome to think a Seiko Monster is comparable to a Rolex. :rolleyes: Heck you can't even manually wind that if I'm recalling the model correctly.
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I haven't worn a watch in years, my cell phone is my watch. :D
 
Ankerson said:
I haven't worn a watch in years, my cell phone is my watch. :D
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If it's not strapped to your wrist it's not a watch. ;)

I have a phone, and an iPod Touch, plus I'm around computers all day long. I have clocks everywhere and I still wear a watch because I like knowing instantly where I can find the time with no hassle.
 
Josh K said:
If it's not strapped to your wrist it's not a watch. ;)

I have a phone, and an iPod Touch, plus I'm around computers all day long. I have clocks everywhere and I still wear a watch because I like knowing instantly where I can find the time with no hassle.
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I haven't found a need to wear one for the past 15 years.

I do have a few in a drawer though.
 
Josh K said:
Probably not because the standards indicate it has to hold that in 5 positions through temperature change as well.

But you're more then welcome to think a Seiko Monster is comparable to a Rolex. :rolleyes: Heck you can't even manually wind that if I'm recalling the model correctly.
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I never said it was comparable, just indicating that I do in fact have a Seiko that holds much better time than you claim one could. I wear it every day and when I check the current time it's spot on here:
http://wwp.greenwichmeantime.com/info/current-time.htm
That's pretty darn good for a $180 watch and so far, well within those standards while I'm using it isn't that all that matters?
Sure, one could spend $3000 but both are intricate mechanical devices that are counting 86,400 seconds per day very accurately.
Same thing for a Sebenza, it may be perfection but a $50 Delica might cut just as well for a lifetime. It all comes down to preferences and how much you have to spend. If I smash a $3000 dollar watch on a piece of equipment I'll be very upset. If I loose a $400 knife I would be also. To each his own.
 
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ouc said:
Sorry, I don't think that's a fair comparison. I race bicycles. My road bike is $6k and my mountain race bike is $5K. So you can say that a bike should not cost as much as a car practically because a car can do 90 mph and a man on a bike can't?
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Not at all what I'm saying. If you race bikes, clearly a Wal*Mart special isn't going to hold up as well or perform as well. With knives, a cheaper knife might very well hold up as well and as long, and perform as well, as a Sebenza. With my CRKT S-2, all I need do is change a couple of washers and my knife will hold up as long and perform as well as your Sebenza. Will your Sebenza outcut my Spyderco Native or my Buck Alaskan folder? I don't think so.

I also have a couple of Sigs, P220 and P229, about $900 each. The P229 is a compact .40. Maybe it's better to compare a higher end pistol with a higher end knife?
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If you wish. It's all up to you. I don't see the logic of your argument here. The P229 would be better if you were carrying every day, and the P220 better if you were at home. With knives, the Sebenza doesn't deliver better performance or better longevity than other knives. It has better tolerances, but better tolerances don't make for a better knife. They may, however, make for a better gun.

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Its worth what folks are willing to pay for it.
I've purchased bullwhips over $500, folks said I was crazy.
What your into I guess.

Me, I see it a good craftsmanship, but steel.
I can get a rifle for $200.

Price wise, can it compare?
Personal call, but not on the machine end I would say.

Folks also pay thousands for a 25cent comic, so at some point, its personal pleasure, which is all well and good IMHO.

Ex: I'm talking myself into pulling the trigger for a $800 fishing reel that I'll rarely catch fish on if I keep going on my skunk streak.

All relative, cheap and expensive. Quality brings you so far. After that, its personal :)
 
Wow...how did this thing get to 10 pages? I think the answer is simple...it probably is overrated to some degree considering that it accomplishes the same task as knives costing a tenth of its price. Then again, when one goes into high end products, that usually is the case. Most people tend to focus on form over function. Is a Sebenza necessary? No. You can easily accomplish the same tasks with, for example, my Kershaw Blur, Walmart pickup, less than 70 bucks. But if you can afford the flash, that is what some go for. Thats why car companies like Lambo and Porsche stay in business. I mean, in the end, it is still just a knife. And no matter how good it is, skill, rather than quality, will always be the most important factor. If you can't hit the broad side of a barn, it really doesn't matter if you have a 1200 dollar Kimber, does it? Not trying to disrespect any one who has one because, as we all know, if you got the money and that is what you want then more power to you. My point is that, well, a knife is a knife and one doesn't have to spend 400 bucks to accomplish the task of cutting something. In that respect, it is overated, just as my Extrema Ratio, ZT, etc. is overrated since my 70 dollar Blur does everything they do. The only exception, of course, is that if your tool is sooo poor quality that it is more dangerous to use than not, then of course the extra money is worth it (i.e. those POS 5 dollar bin knives). But, all in all, there is a point of deminishing returns. Just not sure where that is.
 
Josh K said:
If it's not strapped to your wrist it's not a watch. ;)

I have a phone, and an iPod Touch, plus I'm around computers all day long. I have clocks everywhere and I still wear a watch because I like knowing instantly where I can find the time with no hassle.
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There's lots of cell phone wrist watches. BTW, Sebenza is highly overpriced and over-rated IMHO. :D

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It's funny how controversial these threads get.

No matter how much this topic pops up it always blows up into a war.

Hope it is obvious to the OP that he can be the ONLY one to decide if the Sebenza is worth the money.
 
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