Sebenza Overrated?

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Josh K said:
So you buy a machine and instantly everything is simple? Wish every knife company knew this!
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C'mon Josh. You haven't read about these? They're the newest CNC machines. You push a button and a completely finished knife pops out. Easy peasy! You don't have one yet? :D
 
Josh K said:
Funny, I know makers who produce knives with amazing F&F with the most basic of tools. I have also seen mass produced knives (assuming with CNC mills) that are so poorly put together I'm surprised they even open.

CNC machines aren't magic.
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I'm not saying everyone can or does. I'm saying the MACHINES have the ability and therefore it is not anything special or amazing that it is achieved.

Robert.B said:
You have no idea.
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Educate me, please.
 
Jiggy said:
I'm not saying everyone can or does. I'm saying the MACHINES have the ability and therefore it is not anything special or amazing that it is achieved.
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Simply because something can be achieved does not make it easy or common.


Jiggy said:
Educate me, please.
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I wouldn't be surprised if he didn't waste his time. I wouldn't.
 
Josh K said:
Simply because something can be achieved does not make it easy or common.




I wouldn't be surprised if he didn't waste his time. I wouldn't.
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High tolerances is very common in the knife industry. Top prices for these, however, are not.
Then don't bother to reply.
 
Jiggy said:
Educate me, please.
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You seem to think having a CNC and a program will magically make a good product...I'm a professional machinist, not everyone with a CNC can make good product, the machine you use, the depth of programming the controller can handle, the program itself, the tooling, the spindle accuracy, the conditions of the shop (eg. ambient temperature) can ALL effect the final outcome. To educate you in the finesse of machining would take years of first hand experience which I have.

Like I said, you have no idea what it takes.
 
Jiggy said:
Me too. A cnc machine. :rolleyes:
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And math, calculations, and measurements. Which I suppose is where it gets complicated.

Still, having a nice expensive tool is one thing. USING it like a professional is an entirely different story. I happen to have a relatively expensive Panasonic G10k Lumix camera with a Zuiko 35mm Macro lens, but I don't know how to use it for the life of me, and I always end up using the automatic settings. First pictures were blurry as hell and the camera always had trouble focusing.

But now, with a tripod and good lighting, my pictures are much clearer and shows much greater detail.


I believe a CNC machine is much the same. It's a tool with a lot of potential. But depending on the person who uses it, you either have a masterpiece or a useless pile of scrap.
 
Jiggy said:
High tolerances is very common in the knife industry. Top prices for these, however, are not.
Then don't bother to reply.
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Show me other makers with 0.0005" accuracy on production level knives. :rolleyes:

An education and a reply are entirely different.
 
Josh K said:
Show me other makers with 0.0005" accuracy on production level knives. :rolleyes:

An education and a reply are entirely different.
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First off I've never heard of someone charging what he does for a "production knife". Secondly, I couldn't name any makers as I do not follow what accuracy the brands use. You are free to send me a sebenza and let me give you my opinion of if it's worth the price or not. Snide comments show a lack there of an education, try to keep that in mind.
 
Jiggy said:
First off I've never heard of someone charging what he does for a "production knife". Secondly, I couldn't name any makers as I do not follow what accuracy the brands use. You are free to send me a sebenza and let me give you my opinion of if it's worth the price or not. Snide comments show a lack there of an education, try to keep that in mind.
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You're shooting yourself in the foot admitting that. ;)
 
Jiggy said:
How so? To keep this on topic I'll say once again. The CRK are over priced for what they are.
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I won't go back and re-quote everything you said, so I'll leave it up to you. ;)

You can't say they are over priced "for what they are" when you clearly do not understand "what they are."
 
Robert.B said:
You seem to think having a CNC and a program will magically make a good product...I'm a professional machinist, not everyone with a CNC can make good product, the machine you use, the depth of programming the controller can handle, the program itself, the tooling, the spindle accuracy, the conditions of the shop (eg. ambient temperature) can ALL effect the final outcome. To educate you in the finesse of machining would take years of first hand experience which I have.

Like I said, you have no idea what it takes.
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As a machinist and programmer, 100% agree.
 
Josh K said:
I won't go back and re-quote everything you said, so I'll leave it up to you. ;)

You can't say they are over priced "for what they are" when you clearly do not understand "what they are."
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I would love you to educate me on "what they are".
 
Jiggy said:
Benchmade and Spyderco sure do. They make just as good knives with better blade steels at a much, much lower price.
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Even Sal said that if they produced a knife like the Sebenza with it's tolerances, that they would have to sell the knife at about the same price as the Sebenza.
 
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