Sebenza Overrated?

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I consider it slander to CRK when you say a $100 BM has the same tolerances as his knives. Thats what was said and thats where all this began.
Since you don't get it, I bolded and underscored just for you. For one, where did I say that, you have trouble reading names too? Again, quote, or stop your BS.
Second, why is that a slander anyway?
Third, who told you it's ok to start namecalling and personal insults?

NOW you acknowledge that CRK has the tightest tolerances of all production companies and I'm the one twisting facts?
No, I can not. Simply, I have no data to assert that, and NEITHER DO YOU. Do you have accurate measurements of "ALL PRODUCTION COMPANIES" to state something like that? Measurements taken with 0.001 accurate calipers to prove accuracy of 0.0005 don't count either.

You need to stop posting here ...
Lucky me, it's not up to you ;)
 
What would be the best knife to build an Ark?:D

I've been debating just that question. I went to my special Hidden Knife Vault, walked right past the "under-rated" knives. I just felt they weren't worthy.
Past my "experimental knives" many of those still had body parts stuck on them, I thought that was inappropriate. I paused at my "over-rated" knives, couldn't stand the bickering (you know they argue amongst themselves) that just isn't right.
I opted for an old kitchen butter knife that I had spread so much peanut butter with it actually had become quite sharp.
I am off in search of wood.
That didn't sound right.
 
I think the value of the Sebenza is in the eye of the beholder. I own several and love them. I can appreciate the subtle qualities and advantages of a Sebenza. They're not over the top designs but they're extremely high quality. Arguiing about it is like arguing if a voluptuous woman is better looking than a slim athletic female. It's all in the eye of the beholder and what they enjoy/value.
 
I think the value of the Sebenza is in the eye of the beholder. I own several and love them. I can appreciate the subtle qualities and advantages of a Sebenza. They're not over the top designs but they're extremely high quality. Arguiing about it is like arguing if a voluptuous woman is better looking than a slim athletic female. It's all in the eye of the beholder and what they enjoy/value.

I vote Voluptuous Woman.
(preferably wearing only a belt with a really nice knife on it)
 
I love to see what happens if someone asks if a Hinderer is overrated! :eek:

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I do love my XM-18, but to be really honest it doesn't really do anything well. It's not the best thing to pry with, it's not the best to cut with, it's a little thick in your pocket and its a little heavy. :(

It's vey well made and very fun to own, but it just does not see much pocket time. There are just better options for EDC.... Military, Manix 2, Stretch 2...


Sebenza!!!! :D

I have my large micarta 21 in my pocket now, it's "the knife" for me. I do like all the others, but if I had to pick one for EDC for the rest of my life this large micarta 21 would be it without a doubt. It looks great, and cuts very well, it's slim enough to carry and forget it's even there. :)

I am a Sebenza fan and they are worth it to me :thumbup:
 
Let me summarise what you said. I can buy a BM with the same exact tolerances as a sebenza so theres no reason to pay hundreds of dollars for a sebenza. If the bolded quoted part was what you really said nobody would of cared and you are entitled to that. You falsely bad mouthed a company when you have no idea how knife manufactoring works and think you're absolutely right when highly reputable knifemakers even chimed in saying otherwise. Troll more.

Wow, you really do have a knack for taking something someone said and completely twisting it into something else. Comprehend much??:confused: You, my friend, are the epitome of what we mean when we say fanboy.
 
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I do love my XM-18, but to be really honest it doesn't really do anything well. It's not the best thing to pry with, it's not the best to cut with, it's a little thick in your pocket and its a little heavy. :(

It's vey well made and very fun to own, but it just does not see much pocket time. There are just better options for EDC.... Military, Manix 2, Stretch 2...


Sebenza!!!! :D

I have my large micarta 21 in my pocket now, it's "the knife" for me. I do like all the others, but if I had to pick one for EDC for the rest of my life this large micarta 21 would be it without a doubt. It looks great, and cuts very well, it's slim enough to carry and forget it's even there. :)

I am a Sebenza fan and they are worth it to me :thumbup:

You can send it my way :D I have big pockets...I like the XM-18 a fair bit but the $600 price tag I could never justify spending to my wife, it'll be a stretch when she lets me get a Sebenza. :foot:
 
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I do love my XM-18, but to be really honest it doesn't really do anything well. It's not the best thing to pry with, it's not the best to cut with, it's a little thick in your pocket and its a little heavy. :(

It's vey well made and very fun to own, but it just does not see much pocket time. There are just better options for EDC.... Military, Manix 2, Stretch 2...


Sebenza!!!! :D

I have my large micarta 21 in my pocket now, it's "the knife" for me. I do like all the others, but if I had to pick one for EDC for the rest of my life this large micarta 21 would be it without a doubt. It looks great, and cuts very well, it's slim enough to carry and forget it's even there. :)

I am a Sebenza fan and they are worth it to me :thumbup:
I think you need to handle a ZT 0301, now THAT is heavy and big:eek:. Frankly, the XM-18 is the smallest "hard use" knife I've ever handled, and the blade just isn't as thick as my SR-1.
 
That tad gear digi camo ZT is awesome!

I can understand people wanting a smaller folder for pocket carry, but if I get the chance to own one of the larger top shelf folders I'd have a belt sheath made or a kydex rig with belt clip. A knife being huge isn't a deal breaker for me.
 
Wow, you really do have a knack for taking something someone said and completely twisting it into something else. Comprehend much??:confused: You, my friend, are the epitome of what we mean when we say fanboy.

Where did I twist your words here.

Interesting, 'cause my $150 Benchmade has 0.0005" tolerances, and I've never once had an issue with their customer service. They'll even sharpen my knife for free, as often as I want to send it in to them (not that I use that service, but it's there for those who don't know how to sharpen their knives). How much does CRK charge to resharpen a knife??

You clearly state your $150 BM has .0005'' tolerances and then state that CRK has inferior cs. Where is there word twisting and fanboyism on my part. If anything you're the BM fanboy screaming about how awesome they are and that you get a product just as good as CRK but at a fraction of the cost. For the record CRK isnt even my favorite knife company (Spyderco fanboy) but I just found it ridiculous that people would think you can get the same tolerances that CRK offers without paying for it. Whatever, I'm sure you know more than Spyderco, Kershaw, ESEE and all other companies who give credit to Chris Reeve when its due. Lets just ignore the knifemakers and listen to Medic :rolleyes:.
 
Where did I twist your words here.



You clearly state your $150 BM has .0005'' tolerances

I merely stated what the BM site said. How is that any different than you believing what CRK says, or what someone posts in the CRK forum using calipers not capable of measuring 0.0005 accurately?

and then state that CRK has inferior cs.

Again, taking something I said, and twisting it to saying it's inferior. I merely stated that CRK charges you for things like simply sharpening your knife whereas BM doesn't. Does that mean their CS is inferior? Apparently you think so.

Where is there word twisting and fanboyism on my part.

Dude, you quoted Gator, and even bolded what he said, and then 'summarized' by claiming he was saying he could buy a BM with the same tolerances as CRK at a fraction of the cost, yet there was absolutely no mention of BM or tolerances in the stuff you quoted. You've continuously accused me of saying my $100 BM has the same tolerances, when I don't even own a BM that cost me $100. Every one I own cost over $150 except for the 710 and 707 recently purchased, which were a bit less. That is being a fanboy. When you take something written, and twist it to try and make a point, simply because you don't agree with what the person said. It's no different than if I quoted what you said above, and then said, Oh, now you're saying Benchmades are the worst knives out there, and have crappy tolerances, and your $40 Delica is made better than 99% of all Benchmades. You'd be scratching your head at how I deduced that, just like everybody reading your quotes and interpretations are scratching their heads.
 
Again, taking something I said, and twisting it to saying it's inferior. I merely stated that CRK charges you for things like simply sharpening your knife whereas BM doesn't. Does that mean their CS is inferior? Apparently you think so.

I wouldn't send my knife into BM to get sharpened thats for sure, it'd come back duller then when I sent it...all my BM came from the factory with a less than average edge, all Blue class models, but I look at it like my Queen cutlery knives which all came with poor edges (I reprofile now out of the box).

Out of those knives I can accurately say not one would have accuracy that tight when I can visibly see imperfections by eye. I like BM but unless you're buying gold class do not expect what CRK are sending out.
 
Scratching my head... with the best durn knife ever made - the mighty Case Peanut! No, no, I mean the Mantis Elvis 1!! (Yea, the Mantis, that's the ticket!:thumbup:):D
 
Where did I twist your words here.
Every time you want to. In this very thread, multiple times.

and then state that CRK has inferior cs.
How I consider CRK CS is my personal business and matter of an opinion. So, if I happen to decide that because CRK charges for sharpening and BM doesn't, BM's CS is better, that's my opinion and you have no basis to accuse me of lying or slander. It is neither.

Where is there word twisting and fanboyism on my part.
All over your posts. Your inability to carry out a discussion in a civil manner because someone doesn't like your idol...

Lets just ignore the knifemakers and listen to Medic :rolleyes:.
Yo, dude, if you still don't get it, let me help you :) We, as individuals are free to listen to whoever we choose, at our own risk, and responsibility. So, you listen to whoever you want, so do I, Medic and all the other BF members. At least that's how grown ups are. Don't get so worked up, especially that Medic wasn't trying to be a new prophet here, he just said what he thought.
Unlike you, he wasn't demanding you'd share his views...
 
You clearly state your $150 BM has .0005'' tolerances and then state that CRK has inferior cs. Where is there word twisting and fanboyism on my part. If anything you're the BM fanboy screaming about how awesome they are and that you get a product just as good as CRK but at a fraction of the cost. For the record CRK isnt even my favorite knife company (Spyderco fanboy) but I just found it ridiculous that people would think you can get the same tolerances that CRK offers without paying for it. Whatever, I'm sure you know more than Spyderco, Kershaw, ESEE and all other companies who give credit to Chris Reeve when its due. Lets just ignore the knifemakers and listen to Medic :rolleyes:.
I don't ever recall Benchmade's site ever saying that, but perhaps Medic had it confused with the gold class knives. Considering the price point of one of those, it might have comparable fit and finish to the Sebenza, though I'd have to handle one to be sure.


Still, I think we're losing sight of the fact that the disagreements are just personal opinions. Which is fine really. You can't please everyone, it's statistically impossible.

Except for the Para2, I'm pretty sure that one had unanimous approval:D:thumbup:.
 
I wouldn't send my knife into BM to get sharpened thats for sure, it'd come back duller then when I sent it...all my BM came from the factory with a less than average edge, all Blue class models, but I look at it like my Queen cutlery knives which all came with poor edges (I reprofile now out of the box).

The LifeSharp guarantee isn't really designed for folks like us, who have taken the time to learn how to properly sharpen a knife ourselves. It's for the other 90% or whatever percentage of folks that buy and use BM, but do not know the first thing about sharpening. For those people, the factory edge is more than adequate. Every BM I've bought will shave hair off my arm easily, but it's a toothy edge made with maybe a 600-800grit belt. Yes, it will shave, and work fine for the general layperson, but for folks like myself, and many others who take knives more seriously, the factory edge could be refined. Like I said, of all the years I've owned BM knives, I've never used the lifesharp service, but it's there for the folks that are not skilled at sharpening their own knives.

Out of those knives I can accurately say not one would have accuracy that tight when I can visibly see imperfections by eye. I like BM but unless you're buying gold class do not expect what CRK are sending out.

I cannot speak for your experience, or anybody else, but from my experience, I've yet to receive a BM that did not meet my expectations in the quality department. I prefer the Osborne designed models personally, and every one I've received from BM has exceeded my expectations in quality. They are so smooth it's literally like the blade rolls on bearings. I've owned a Sebenza before, and may very well own one again if they offer the Insingo in Micarta inlay handles, but to me, the Sebenza while smooth, was way too tight, and unlike the BM, you cannot adjust the level of tightness unless you prescribe to the "sand the washer a bit" line of thinking I've heard some Sebbie owners say. Also, the thumb stud started hurting my thumb after the first day of playing with it. I'm not the only one that has talked about the thumb stud either. I've never had a BM thumbstud that hurt my thumb. Heck, even a Sebbie owner modified his Sebenza with BM studs. Photos were posted just last month IIRC. As for the Gold Class, I have never owned or held one, but I don't see them having any tighter tolerances than the Blue Class ones I own. I think the thing that sets them apart is their use of damascus and other higher end embellishments. That and the fact that they're limited production, which that alone jacks prices up. Do you think the Damascus, with exotic inlays, or gemstone Sebenzas have higher tolerances than plane jane ones? No. Their price increase comes from the options done. I think the same goes for Gold Glass BM.
 
From the Benchmade website:

MANUFACTURING
The Benchmade manufacturing arsenal contains ultra-modern laser cutters and machining centers dialed in for spot-on tolerances of 0.0005” on command. Our computerized machining centers offer the precision and control usually found only in the aerospace industry.
 
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