Sebenza VS Buck 110

SpookStrickland said:
I'd like to see some one find a total knife noob and give them a Sebenza and a Buck 110 to try out for a couple weeks and see what they say.
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That's like asking someone who doesn't drink wine to compare a cheap wine against an expensive wine. He wouldn't know what to look for. That's a really silly way to rate two different things.

A valid way to compare say two wines, is to ask a wine connoisseur. In the same way, you wouldn't ask a knife noob to compare different knives. It's sorta like asking Piers Morgan if a High Standard is better than an STI Legend.
 
hardheart said:
And without 'knowing better', he would end up picking the one he liked more. What a silly way to choose things :p
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He would end up choosing the one which looks "cooler" to him. Which would indeed be silly. ;)

If he managed to choose the one YOU like, he wouldn't even have a good reason for it. :p

Ask a non driver to choose a car, would you say his chances are good that he chooses a good one?
 
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singularity35 said:
Ask a non driver to choose a car, would you say his chances are good that he chooses a good one?
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Actually most cars are in fact good. There's a few atrocities but... so the chances of a non-driver picking a good car are in fact good. Get out a bit - you seem to be an online addict.
 
klute said:
Actually most cars are in fact good. There's a few atrocities but... so the chances of a non-driver picking a good car are in fact good. Get out a bit - you seem to be an online addict.
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Oh I do get out but why is that a problem of yours? If you checked the timezones you'd find that this is early evening for me.

I wonder why you and your buddy heardheart seem to have a problem with letting a knowledgeable guy choose whatever it is to chose from. You'd rather let a guy with little knowledge actually choose for you?
 
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I don't see the relevance of this post either. If we picked every knife we use or carry specifically on how much we use it or how it cuts vs. the dollars spent, we wouldn't be on this forum. We'd just be using whatever is in the kitchen "junk" drawer (we all have them) to get something to cut with.
 
I've had a Classic Sebenza. I have had a plain Jane 110.

I still have my Custom 110FG in nickel silver, jigged buffalo and BG-42 blade.

Not all Sebenzas are the same, neither are all Buck 110s "cheap."
 
singularity35 said:
That's like asking someone who doesn't drink wine to compare a cheap wine against an expensive wine. He wouldn't know what to look for. That's a really silly way to rate two different things.

A valid way to compare say two wines, is to ask a wine connoisseur. In the same way, you wouldn't ask a knife noob to compare different knives. It's sorta like asking Piers Morgan if a High Standard is better than an STI Legend.
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What I actually had in mind was someone who was a "noob" as far as knife collecting in general, but someone is used to using a knife for their work or hobbies like a Hunter or a Fishermen etc. Some one who knows a good cutting tool but has probably never heard of a Sebenza before.

I think that would be a great test.
 
SpookStrickland said:
What I actually had in mind was someone who was a "noob" as far as knife collecting in general, but someone is used to using a knife for their work or hobbies like a Hunter or a Fishermen etc. Some one who knows a good cutting tool but has probably never heard of a Sebenza before.

I think that would be a great test.
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It would be a good test for him and not for anybody else.

2TONYB said:
No. I'd rather choose for myself and let others choose for themselves. To the OP, I've chosen both for different reasons.
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My point exactly. Letting someone choose for themselves would be a good choice for that particular person and not for anybody else. It would not settle anything. OTOH, why do we trust reviews from people who have used knives a lot and not so much from people who haven't?

I guess the knifemakers who chose the sebbie as knife of the year or some such award don't know much about knives then eh?

Why do we find Anlerson, Solo, Ewerstruly, Jdavis(?) and others of their ilk, more credible than a 14 year old doing a table top review? Does it happen to be the experience or lack of it?
 
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singularity35 said:
He would end up choosing the one which looks "cooler" to him. Which would indeed be silly. ;)

If he managed to choose the one YOU like, he wouldn't even have a good reason for it. :p

Ask a non driver to choose a car, would you say his chances are good that he chooses a good one?
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Would it be silly to choose a nightmare grind Strider with gunner grips because it looks cooler than a Sebenza? How about a Direware instead of a swiss army knife? Do looks matter, and if they do, do they always matter in the same way?

I would expect a 'non-driver' to choose a good car after being given the keys to two cars and allowed to drive them for two weeks. That is what was mentioned, using both knives for two weeks. Now, if in either case the person given the items didn't use them, then I don't know if they will choose the 'good' product. Their odds are exactly 50/50 in choosing the product that I would also deem to be 'good'. But, if they didn't cut a single thing or drive a single mile in two weeks, then it really doesn't matter what they choose. Their opinion on the products would be empty.

singularity35 said:
I wonder why you and your buddy heardheart seem to have a problem with letting a knowledgeable guy choose whatever it is to chose from. You'd rather let a guy with little knowledge actually choose for you?
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Who has a problem with letting someone choose? Did I say somewhere that a 'knowledgeable guy' should be restricted? And where does the second scenario even enter the thread. Did I, or any other person posting, ever say something about letting another person do the choosing? I really don't know where that comes from at all.

singularity35 said:
It would be a good test for him and not for anybody else.
...OTOH, why do we trust reviews from people who have used knives a lot and not so much from people who haven't?
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Well, I agree with the first statement and don't have an answer for the second, because they naturally conflict. I tend not to rely on too many other opinions because there is really no reason to think I will by any necessity agree with them. What I eat, watch, wear, etc. sometimes agree with other opinions, and sometimes don't. The only opinion that really concerns me is that of the law, otherwise I just keep on with the popular/unpopular thing I was doing.
 
Lemme see...are you so afraid that a knife afi would choose the knife you don't like? While you have a 50/50 chance with a "total knife noob"?

hardheart said:
Would it be silly to choose a nightmare grind Strider with gunner grips because it looks cooler than a Sebenza? How about a Direware instead of a swiss army knife? Do looks matter, and if they do, do they always matter in the same way?

I would expect a 'non-driver' to choose a good car after being given the keys to two cars and allowed to drive them for two weeks. That is what was mentioned, using both knives for two weeks. Now, if in either case the person given the items didn't use them, then I don't know if they will choose the 'good' product. Their odds are exactly 50/50 in choosing the product that I would also deem to be 'good'. But, if they didn't cut a single thing or drive a single mile in two weeks, then it really doesn't matter what they choose. Their opinion on the products would be empty.


Who has a problem with letting someone choose? Did I say somewhere that a 'knowledgeable guy' should be restricted? And where does the second scenario even enter the thread. Did I, or any other person posting, ever say something about letting another person do the choosing? I really don't know where that comes from at all.



Well, I agree with the first statement and don't have an answer for the second, because they naturally conflict. I tend not to rely on too many other opinions because there is really no reason to think I will by any necessity agree with them. What I eat, watch, wear, etc. sometimes agree with other opinions, and sometimes don't. The only opinion that really concerns me is that of the law, otherwise I just keep on with the popular/unpopular thing I was doing.
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Wouldn't you say that the OP is not just talking about a personal choice with these two posts? He is asking which one has "more value" in his first post. Then when people objected to comparing the two knives, he suggested that "total knife noob" be the arbiter. Oh BTW, your $700 110 is even of worse value than the seb, given the OP's formula for computing value.

SpookStrickland said:
Over the course of a 10 years of use which knife has more value? Which one actually does more or gets used more. If you divide the cost by 10 years the buck is only about 4 dollars a year where the Sebenza is 40, so basically you could buy a brand new buck each year for what it costs you to carry the Sebenza for 10 years.

Anyone have both and not mind doing some side by side testing?

what say you?
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SpookStrickland said:
I'd like to see some one find a total knife noob and give them a Sebenza and a Buck 110 to try out for a couple weeks and see what they say.
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Are you afraid the newb won't choose the knife you like? I'm not sure why I'm supposed to care what someone buys if they aren't sending the money to me.

I would absolutely, unequivocally state that choosing the better value is ONLY about personal choice. Value is assigned individually, based on the available options and subsequent choices of each person. There would never be any discussions about any two knives if this were not the case. My $700 110 is a terrible value for a user, and probably a pretty terrible investment. I didn't assign the value based on those criteria.
 
hardheart said:
Are you afraid the newb won't choose the knife you like? I'm not sure why I'm supposed to care what someone buys if they aren't sending the money to me.
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Yep, so why do you have the issue with letting a "knife expert" choose? Which BTW, I explained in a previous post that it seems it's not what the OP wants, but rather a definitive rating of both against each other.

Also if you don't care so much, why are we going on this way?
 
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I dunno, who is the knife expert? Also, who is he choosing for? I have an issue with someone making the choice for someone else, instead of the suggestion. I make suggestions pretty often, but they aren't demands. Maybe I just don't know enough bout knives to make my own choices.

We're going on because it is a discussion forum and it is raining like crazy after my 3 hour drive home :p I really have no investment in either company. The 110 is the only Buck I've purchased in the last 9 years, and Buck didn't get a dime. The success or failure of their product is not my concern. The only thing about the Seb is that it gets suggested all the time to people who are in fact newbs, so they get industry-leading fit and finish and can't even resharpen the knife when it dulls. It's one of the best-made production folding knives, and in the hands of a true newb it won't even work for the intended job after a few weeks.

But my opinion of the reasons to carry, use, and thereby select knives isn't some sort of rule, or even a common thought process. Never said I was the authority.
 
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I will be the knife expert. Send me a sebenza and a buck 110 in cpm 154 and we shall see!! ;) And if you're sending a sebenza i'd prefer it to be a sebenza 25.
 
hardheart said:
I dunno, who is the knife expert? Also, who is he choosing for? I have an issue with someone making the choice for someone else, instead of the suggestion. I make suggestions pretty often, but they aren't demands. Maybe I just don't know enough bout knives to make my own choices.
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Lemme make this simple, the OP seems to have wanted two knives rated against each other with value as his primary consideration. Some people objected to the comparison. OP suggested giving a "total knife noob" the two knives to use for two weeks so he could rate them. You seem to have objected to my post saying that a noob would not know what comparisons to make, especially since the primary consideration in rating them is value per cut or some such.

Are we both confused enough now? ;)

dflores said:
I will be the knife expert. Send me a sebenza and a buck 110 in cpm 154 and we shall see!! ;) And if you're sending a sebenza i'd prefer it to be a sebenza 25.
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This guy has the right idea. :D

But unfortunately the OP is not talking about a custom 110. I guess you'll take them anyway. :D
 
I don't object at all, I was just highlighting that value is a personal thing, in a snarky way. I mean, look at wine fora, or top ten lists. I don't think there will be any more consensus among wine afis as there are knife afis. I thought it was humorous because I was actually trying to look into wine as a possible Xmas present for someone who used to collect wines but divested of their bottles some years ago. I read up just a bit on the types of wines, grapes, soil, states and countries most known for wines, tastes complementing meals, age, etc. I don't drink, so it was a brand new world for me. I looked at prices, and they get up there. I looked at the best judged, and there was very little commonality for price, type, country, etc. I figured I could buy the most expensive bottle in the store, but I didn't knw if they would like the taste or if it was considered all that great a vineyard. Imagine buying a lawyer an Airkat, or giving an infantry colonel a William Henry, because they are pricey brands and you don't know the difference in materials, construction, or intended use. I figured I could easily make that mistake

I gave up and bought totally different kinds of presents.
 
hardheart said:
I don't object at all, I was just highlighting that value is a personal thing, in a snarky way. I mean, look at wine fora, or top ten lists. I don't think there will be any more consensus among wine afis as there are knife afis. I thought it was humorous because I was actually trying to look into wine as a possible Xmas present for someone who used to collect wines but divested of their bottles some years ago. I read up just a bit on the types of wines, grapes, soil, states and countries most known for wines, tastes complementing meals, age, etc. I don't drink, so it was a brand new world for me. I looked at prices, and they get up there. I looked at the best judged, and there was very little commonality for price, type, country, etc. I figured I could buy the most expensive bottle in the store, but I didn't knw if they would like the taste or if it was considered all that great a vineyard. Imagine buying a lawyer an Airkat, or giving an infantry colonel a William Henry, because they are pricey brands and you don't know the difference in materials, construction, or intended use. I figured I could easily make that mistake

I gave up and bought totally different kinds of presents.
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Good decision. :D
 
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