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For sure. In the seven or so years I carried a Seb, I must have broken it down about 15 times. Crazy!
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Sebenza VS Buck 110
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For sure. In the seven or so years I carried a Seb, I must have broken it down about 15 times. Crazy!
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I took a white tail deer from the woods all the way to the freezer with my sebenza 21. Then proceeded to take it apart and clean all the blood and guts out of it, put it back together good as new. Don't think you could do that with a 110.
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No, you don't hear that all the time. You CAN take one apart, unlike other knives, but you don't have to.
I have several, and one I've carried since 1999. I've only taken that one apart after getting it bloody from cleaning deer. It didn't need to be taken apart, as I could have just rinsed it out like knives that are not made to be taken apart, but you can do a better job of it by taking it apart.
The reasom many take them apart to clean is because you CAN. It was designed to be taken apart with ease, and you don't void the warranty like you do with other knives. That is why people often take it apart. If other knives were designed to be taken apart people would take those apart as well.
Its not "Crazy!" to do so, as you call it. You should really read more about the knife(or handle one) before acting like you know all about it.
At this point I think you're just talking to get responces. I think you may know more than you pretend to know, then again maybe not.
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Seeing how this thread is five pages long and contains several serious posts that are directly on point with the OP's questions, I don't think that HE qualifies as a troll or that this thread has been a waste of time (at least not any more than any other thread). At this point, if anyone gets this thread locked as a result of trolling, I don't believe it will be the OP.
If you don't like this thread or are offended by its content you are free to ignore it. No one is forcing any of you to post here. You also have the ability to report the thread to a moderator if it bothers you so much. Otherwise, what exactly are YOUR motivations for posting here?
If you don't like this thread or are offended by its content you are free to ignore it. No one is forcing any of you to post here. You also have the ability to report the thread to a moderator if it bothers you so much. Otherwise, what exactly are YOUR motivations for posting here?
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The OP was clever about it at first hence getting some serious responses. I hope you are aware that there are trolls and there are trolls. He made his intention clear with one of his more recent posts. I bolded the part where his agenda became obvious. Very good of him to make such conclusions without having owned one.
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And sometimes the people who yell TROLL the loudest are in fact the trolls.
Ok, I've re-read the bolded portion of that quote, and I say- So what? The guy expressed his opinions. He compared a Seb to an Italian sports car (is that an insult?), and it appears that he was comparing a Buck 110 to an American muscle car- So what? He described the Seb as high-maintenance, which is wrong- So what? That wasn't exactly a slanderous insult. If we burned every member here at the stake for being wrong about something we wouldn't have anyone left. It's not like he said "Sebenzas are crap and anyone who buys one is an idiot".
So he's giving an opinion on a knife he's never owned- so what?. I'm sure that's not the first time that's happened on this forum. I've never owned a Seb either, but I often say that they are very high-quality knives and some of the highest quality knives on the market. Does the fact that I've never owned one discredit my opinion? Or is my opinion valid because I praise the Sebenza?
Heck, it's only a knife. He didn't question anyones religion or family heritage. Let the guy have his thread, he's not hurting anyone or costing Chris Reeve a sale. No one is being forced to read this thread or contribute to it. And just like every other thread topic, it's not worth taking the matter that seriously.
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Takes one to know one? You've also been very argumentative in a lot of your posts.
I said in a previous post that this thread was an excuse to bash. That's what he did with his post.
So he's giving an opinion on a knife he's never owned- so what?. I'm sure that's not the first time that's happened on this forum. I've never owned a Seb either, but I often say that they are very high-quality knives and some of the highest quality knives on the market. Does the fact that I've never owned one discredit my opinion? Or is my opinion valid because I praise the Sebenza?
Heck, it's only a knife. He didn't question anyones religion or family heritage. Let the guy have his thread, he's not hurting anyone or costing Chris Reeve a sale. No one is being forced to read this thread or contribute to it. And just like every other thread topic, it's not worth taking the matter that seriously.
We look down an bashing anything here don't we?
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:thumbup:And sometimes the people who yell TROLL the loudest are in fact the trolls.
Ok, I've re-read the bolded portion of that quote, and I say- So what? The guy expressed his opinions. He compared a Seb to an Italian sports car (is that an insult?), and it appears that he was comparing a Buck 110 to an American muscle car- So what? He described the Seb as high-maintenance, which is wrong- So what? That wasn't exactly a slanderous insult. If we burned every member here at the stake for being wrong about something we wouldn't have anyone left. It's not like he said "Sebenzas are crap and anyone who buys one is an idiot".
So he's giving an opinion on a knife he's never owned- so what?. I'm sure that's not the first time that's happened on this forum. I've never owned a Seb either, but I often say that they are very high-quality knives and some of the highest quality knives on the market. Does the fact that I've never owned one discredit my opinion? Or is my opinion valid because I praise the Sebenza?
Heck, it's only a knife. He didn't question anyones religion or family heritage. Let the guy have his thread, he's not hurting anyone or costing Chris Reeve a sale. No one is being forced to read this thread or contribute to it. And just like every other thread topic, it's not worth taking the matter that seriously.
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Well said!And sometimes the people who yell TROLL the loudest are in fact the trolls.
Ok, I've re-read the bolded portion of that quote, and I say- So what? The guy expressed his opinions. He compared a Seb to an Italian sports car (is that an insult?), and it appears that he was comparing a Buck 110 to an American muscle car- So what? He described the Seb as high-maintenance, which is wrong- So what? That wasn't exactly a slanderous insult. If we burned every member here at the stake for being wrong about something we wouldn't have anyone left. It's not like he said "Sebenzas are crap and anyone who buys one is an idiot".
So he's giving an opinion on a knife he's never owned- so what?. I'm sure that's not the first time that's happened on this forum. I've never owned a Seb either, but I often say that they are very high-quality knives and some of the highest quality knives on the market. Does the fact that I've never owned one discredit my opinion? Or is my opinion valid because I praise the Sebenza?
Heck, it's only a knife. He didn't question anyones religion or family heritage. Let the guy have his thread, he's not hurting anyone or costing Chris Reeve a sale. No one is being forced to read this thread or contribute to it. And just like every other thread topic, it's not worth taking the matter that seriously.
This has gone a little far, I think. OP you make way too many invalid comparisons here. First of all, Italian cars are require more maintenance than american muscle cars because they are many many times more sophisticated. You cannot compare reliability across such vastly different products like that, similarly I can say my wheelchair will last way longer than your american muscle car. Besides, they don't even have the same level of peak performance. The Italian does require a huge maintenance schedule to perform at the highest level it can, but its peak performance is so high that even if maintenance is neglected and it does not perform at that level, it will still drive better than the American. And don't bring in racing corvettes and vipers, they're just as complex and difficult to maintain as their Italian counterparts.
Next, a Sebenza cannot be compared to a Ferrari, or any top end sports car at all. Ferraris, Zondas, Koenigseggs are renowned for their PERFORMANCE, whereas Chris Reeve's knives are renowned for their quality. What are you looking for in your knife? Edge retention? Lock strength? Quality of fit and finish? If you have to use the car analogy the Sebenza is far more like a Bentley or Aston Martin, highest quality with utmost attention to detail, whereas the Buck 110 would be comparable to something like a VW Passat, reasonable quality and reasonable performance, but cheap. Of course most of us would buy the Passat, because it makes the most economical sense. But some of us can afford an Aston and really do want that extra quality, which is why such cars still have a market. But knives are not that expensive, $400 may be a lot for a knife but in the grand scheme of things it's a sum of money most of us are able to fork out. For many of us who want and demand utmost quality out of the things we own, the Sebenza is one such way to satisfy that desire.
Sebenza owners who mention they clean their knives often aren't doing so because they have to, but because they CAN. Chris Reeve manufacturers his knives to such a high degree of tolerance he doesn't think you'll be able to mess up the dissassembly and reassembly, because they fit so well together. That is why his knives are the ONLY ones on the market that will not have their warranties voided if you open it up. Sebenza owners are also mostly admirers of such quality, and enjoy the cleaning process enough to want to do it once in a while, even if the knife doesn't need it. If you tried to do that with any other knife, your warranty goes poof.
Once again these two knives are too different to be compared. They're targeted at different people, and serve different purposes. I agree fully that the Sebenza is far beyond the point of diminishing returns both in terms of quality and performance, but such diminishing returns have to be accepted in order for quality of such a level to be attained in the first place. The fact that it sells so well, is simply evidence that there are many people around here who are able to accept those diminishing returns for the quality. These are people who would buy Aston Martins, Mont Blancs, and have custom leatherworkers make their bags for them. They do it not because it's the most cost effective method, they do it simply because they can, because they want to. If you had the money to go to a nice restaurant once in a while, wouldn't you go rather than eat instant noodles and spam all the time? The examples I've mentioned above are just scaled up versions of this same attitude. The Buck on the other hand is all about cost effectiveness. If you're strapped on cash, then go right ahead, of course the Buck is a better choice. Indeed many people aren't willing to fork out the money for a Sebenza, which is why Buck sells more 110s than Sebenzas.
OP you didn't create this topic with a question did you, you created it with an opinion already formed. You're taking in all the information that's given to you in a biased manner. Until you make this question truly objective, you will never figure out why some people prefer Bucks and some people prefer Sebenzas.
Next, a Sebenza cannot be compared to a Ferrari, or any top end sports car at all. Ferraris, Zondas, Koenigseggs are renowned for their PERFORMANCE, whereas Chris Reeve's knives are renowned for their quality. What are you looking for in your knife? Edge retention? Lock strength? Quality of fit and finish? If you have to use the car analogy the Sebenza is far more like a Bentley or Aston Martin, highest quality with utmost attention to detail, whereas the Buck 110 would be comparable to something like a VW Passat, reasonable quality and reasonable performance, but cheap. Of course most of us would buy the Passat, because it makes the most economical sense. But some of us can afford an Aston and really do want that extra quality, which is why such cars still have a market. But knives are not that expensive, $400 may be a lot for a knife but in the grand scheme of things it's a sum of money most of us are able to fork out. For many of us who want and demand utmost quality out of the things we own, the Sebenza is one such way to satisfy that desire.
Sebenza owners who mention they clean their knives often aren't doing so because they have to, but because they CAN. Chris Reeve manufacturers his knives to such a high degree of tolerance he doesn't think you'll be able to mess up the dissassembly and reassembly, because they fit so well together. That is why his knives are the ONLY ones on the market that will not have their warranties voided if you open it up. Sebenza owners are also mostly admirers of such quality, and enjoy the cleaning process enough to want to do it once in a while, even if the knife doesn't need it. If you tried to do that with any other knife, your warranty goes poof.
Once again these two knives are too different to be compared. They're targeted at different people, and serve different purposes. I agree fully that the Sebenza is far beyond the point of diminishing returns both in terms of quality and performance, but such diminishing returns have to be accepted in order for quality of such a level to be attained in the first place. The fact that it sells so well, is simply evidence that there are many people around here who are able to accept those diminishing returns for the quality. These are people who would buy Aston Martins, Mont Blancs, and have custom leatherworkers make their bags for them. They do it not because it's the most cost effective method, they do it simply because they can, because they want to. If you had the money to go to a nice restaurant once in a while, wouldn't you go rather than eat instant noodles and spam all the time? The examples I've mentioned above are just scaled up versions of this same attitude. The Buck on the other hand is all about cost effectiveness. If you're strapped on cash, then go right ahead, of course the Buck is a better choice. Indeed many people aren't willing to fork out the money for a Sebenza, which is why Buck sells more 110s than Sebenzas.
OP you didn't create this topic with a question did you, you created it with an opinion already formed. You're taking in all the information that's given to you in a biased manner. Until you make this question truly objective, you will never figure out why some people prefer Bucks and some people prefer Sebenzas.
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So all you people are fine with someone bashing a knife he doesn't have experience with? That's really funny.
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Now that is well written and quite relevant.
Well, the Opinel and the Buck 110 are two very different knives with very different designs and very different intended uses... I don't feel that it is a fair comparison to make as it is not fair to compare the 'benza to the 110... These are three very different knives, next folks are going to want to compare the 'benza to and Opinel...
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It has been done
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No it's a thread started by someone who feels his $30 folder is better than a $400.00 folder and so he's smarter than all the fools buying the sebenza . I say this qualifies as a thread started by a troll.
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