Sebenza VS Buck 110

[singularity35]

nevermind

 

[hardheart]

Better is really tough, since it is mostly subjective. It has better fit & finish, that's pretty much fact. The standard steel is better, if you are concerned with wear resistance. The lock may or may not be better, depending on your opinion of the ease of use and mechanics. I think the framelock of the Seb is stronger thatn the lockback of the 110, something like the Chinook woudl flip things. The looks may or may not be better to you. The thumbstud may or may not be to your liking, specifically the Sebenza stud or studs in general. Same for the pocket clip. You might prefer an all metal handle, or not. You may like the beadblast finish better. You might like heavier or lighter knives.

If Tony Bose built a 110, the argument would be near impossible to settle.

 

[dinokay]

OK I'll play, first you don't own a sebenza (you just handled one) so you don't qualify to answer the question the OP asked in the first post, Second the way the question was phrased it's using monetary value as bases of comparison and third, read the first post, I mean read the post with an opened mind, it's biased. You friend are in the 110 camp and a lot of other people are in the Sebbie camp, so you get a lot of heated emotions going on here, no real substance because the question has no substance. That to me is a troll who willingly or unwillingly is asking the question which religion is the correct one or which political party is the one to lead the nation to greatness.

I own both and all I can say is the Buck 110 is an amazing folder who was the first to start the trend of a locking folder, absolutely beautiful in every way (will last forever), I love the hell out of mine. The Sebenza is the next level of awesome (frame lock) folders, taking folders to the next level, from the beginning Chris nailed it and that's why it's still going strong. Buck and CRK are leaders in their own right and everyone should be proud to own ether. Now is that so difficult to understand, then why the need to inject the monetary aspect into the equation and to prove to the OP that there's no magic in the sebbie (he already knows this), it's just a cutting tool just like the 110 , that's it, nothing more nothing less.

The OP is a Troll (IMO) because he already knows the answer to his question (He's Biased) and the purpose of this thread is to invoke heated debate over people's beliefs and to that end SpookStrickland has succeeded, good job:thumbup:

If you think this is a troll thread then why did you post a reply and bump it right back to the top of the list? If you think this is a troll thread then you could have just reported it to the moderators. But since this thread is now six pages long and hasn't been locked I guess the moderators don't agree that the OP is a troll and that this is a troll thread.

And I don't know what thread you were reading, but nowhere in this thread did the OP say that he owns a "$30 folder" or that "his $30 folder is better than a $400.00 folder". Nor did he refer to Sebenza owners as "fools". In fact, in post #26 he specifically said that he wasn't downing anyone for owning a Seb. And in post #35 he thanked people for their input and said that he needs to handle a Seb for himself to form his own opinion. Doesn't sound like a troll to me. Maybe you should actually read a persons posts before you label them as a troll.

Why have I taken such an interest in this matter? I just don't like seeing a new member get hammered unfairly because he dared to question the almighty superiority of some peoples favorite knife. And this thread is a perfect example of that. It seems like some people are quick to make knee-jerk reactions and jump on others without actually reading what those people posted.

 

[2TONYB]

Where in the world in Mars Hill does one find a "midnight lunch"? Spent many a sweaty night in Mars Hill with my gal (of many, many years ago) but never found the dining quite up to par.

I stick to the fast food chains. Mels Diner is safe in the daylight. You may need a Sebenza and a 110 to attack the Mel's double jumbo. I don't think Mars Hill has "gals" anymore.

I do prefer the blade shape of the 110 for field dressing deer.

 

[Old Pro]

Great video I love the idea of alway trying to improve on quality. Great American shop.

 

[SpookStrickland]

I stick to the fast food chains. Mels Diner is safe in the daylight. You may need a Sebenza and a 110 to attack the Mel's double jumbo. I don't think Mars Hill has "gals" anymore.

I do prefer the blade shape of the 110 for field dressing deer.

If I hit the lottery I might get me a Sebenza just to cut my steak with at the dinner. That would be quite the conversation starter. In my opinion I think the Buck is the better knife on a dollar vs output kind of basis, but for those who can afford a Sebenza and it gives them the tinglies every time they use it or look at it then that is alright in my book as well. I guess it's a lot like the argument for "solid state" vs "analog" for guitar players.

I do however think I'm going to pick up a Sebenza Knock off just to get a feel for that sort of knife and see if it grows on my enough that I might want to buy one some day. I also want to say thank you to all of you who responded honestly and politely. And all you guys who responded..how shall I say...mmmm Passionately, I thank you too. I'd like to think we could all still drink a beer together some time or another.

Cheers

and

Thanks

 

[KennyB]

Kind of like comparing a $30 bottle of scotch to a $300 bottle of scotch to me. Yeah sure the $30 bottle gets the job done and tastes half decent, but people pay $300 a bottle of the good stuff for a reason.

 

[Tim616]

Ok, how about you list literally every way the Sebenza is better or at least your top 10?
that would be great

thanks

YOU ASKED FOR IT.

Reasons the Sebenza is INDEED better.

-Far more advanced blade steel, with better corrosion resistance.

-Lighter weight

-Stronger tip w/ virtually same amount of cuttting edge

-HAS a pocket clip

-No quick tarnishing, and smelly brass handles

-Blasted Titanium provides better traction than the 110

-The sebenza has jimping, 110 has none

-the sebenza can be opened quickly with one hand

-the sebenza can be closed with one hand

-the sebenza can be refurbished to like-new condition for the rest of your life

-the sebenza comes with much better edge geometry from the factory

-the sebezna has a wider blade offer longer life of knife use

-the hollow grind on the sebenza is executed in a way witch extends the cutting edge life of knife as well

-the sebenza has a lanyard hole / attatchment, which the 110 lacks

-the sebenza has tighter tolerances, (by a long shot)

-sebenza has phosphor bronze washers

-sebenza has godly fit and finish

-the sebenza is a status symbol in the knife community, a right of passage as a folding knife collector, produced is smaller batches, a premium is paid for the exclusivity, the 110 is 30 bucks and easily obtainable, highly mass produced.

 

[red mag]

May I add to TIM616's list.

-the Sebenza can be taken apart, which is a big plus in my book.

red mag

 

[Krazy Cash]

Kind of like comparing a $30 bottle of scotch to a $300 bottle of scotch to me. Yeah sure the $30 bottle gets the job done and tastes half decent, but people pay $300 a bottle of the good stuff for a reason.

Quoted for truth.

 

[Big Mike]

... I'm going to pick up a Sebenza Knock off just to get a feel for that sort of knife...

Yeah, that figures.





Big Mike

 

[hardheart]

Please don't discuss knockoffs, the theft of someone else's design is a lousy thing to support.

Now, just to go over the reasons, and the subjectivity of many of them.

-Far more advanced blade steel, with better corrosion resistance.

true for the standard 110. Buck used to use 'super steel' in the 110, it was 440C. Now, standard 110s for $30 do not use something considered 'super' in today's market. But, there are/were options for S30V, CPM154, BG-42, and even damascus. These all cost more, and reduce your dollar vs output comparison.

-Lighter weight

true, but strangely, some people want knives with 'heft'. thick blades, folding prybars, even the Sebenza is an exercise in excess weight with two full thickness metal liners where some genuine weight savings could be implemented with no loss in lock strength or function.

-Stronger tip w/ virtually same amount of cuttting edge

true, and yet some people want 'splinter-picker' tips as well. The tanto and sheepsfoot CRKs don't seem to sell as well as the clip points, because tip strength vs utility of the profile is not fully objective or equal for all tasks

-HAS a pocket clip

true, and many people are glad it is removable from most knives that now come with them. That is because they do not like pocket clips.

-No quick tarnishing, and smelly brass handles

true, and brass really has lost its appeal it seems. for customs, a vocal minority has swayed the remainder. Stainless bolsters, which are just as cheap relative to the cost of a knife, are preferred since they require less work to maintain. I don't know about smelly. Of course, there are also nickel silver, paperstone, and titanium handled 110s, but they are not the standard pattern.

-Blasted Titanium provides better traction than the 110

maybe, personally wouldn't choose either for greasy or wet work, G10 and frn are leagues better, imo. Still, finger grooves are available on the 110 without going to the custom shop - and the aforementioned handle options.

-The sebenza has jimping, 110 has none

there is a remarkable dislike for jimping by many knife users/collectors, this is a genuine negative for some

-the sebenza can be opened quickly with one hand

the 110 can with some dexterity, but that would be quibbling. Just try not to bring this up on a traditional, SAK, or men's fashion forum, unless you like the mall ninja moniker. again, as a mechanical function, the option of faster opening is not a disadvantage, but emotionally, anything goes.

-the sebenza can be closed with one hand

so can the 110, and without the skill needed to open it one-handed. even an opinel with a decent viro-lock can be.

-the sebenza can be refurbished to like-new condition for the rest of your life

Buck will also repair or replace knives "forever", the only real discrepancy is that you can't repair/disassemble it yourself

-the sebenza comes with much better edge geometry from the factory

nope, Edge2000 is actually quite good for factory settings

-the sebezna has a wider blade offer longer life of knife use

true, I don't know how either company handles re-blades with their warranties, but having more steel is a way to increase the time before such a question needs to actually be asked. The steel is also more wear resistant, aiding in blade life.

-the hollow grind on the sebenza is executed in a way witch extends the cutting edge life of knife as well

nope, this is also part of Edge2000

-the sebenza has a lanyard hole / attatchment, which the 110 lacks

true, and this does appear less argued as to use vs appearance. They don't even put it on the paperstone models, likely and issue with lock spring placement and blade/handle ratio. For a relatively inexpensive knife used in hard-working environments and cleaning game with associated body fluids in the grass/branch/leaf littered outdoors, this is quite an omission.

-the sebenza has tighter tolerances, (by a long shot)

absolutely

-sebenza has phosphor bronze washers

yes, and the 110 has a bronze bushing around the pivot pin. Also, the XM knives by Hinderer use teflon washers. Ball bearing systems seem to be coming into vogue, interesting to see how many brands adopt it.

-sebenza has godly fit and finish

true, like the tolerance comment

-the sebenza is a status symbol in the knife community, a right of passage as a folding knife collector, produced is smaller batches, a premium is paid for the exclusivity, the 110 is 30 bucks and easily obtainable, highly mass produced.

Maybe, my personal opinion is that what you just described are customs. I can order a Sebenza any day of the week from a few dozen locations and it will ship in short order. It is also mass produced, and while $400 is expensive for a knife, when you want a symbol, you can and do spend a heck of a lot more and have to do more/wait longer.

All that said, if these were my only two choices for an EDC, it would by far be the Seb. I like one hand opening and a pocket clip, and the steel is more my taste, even if the heat treat isn't. I would carry a 110 as a loaner/beater.

 

[killgar]

It's always interesting to me (and humorous) that some people aren't content just to say "My knife is a great knife and I love it". No, for some reason they need to say "My knife is BETTER than your knife".

I've asked the following question on this forum before but no one has ever given me an answer- What can a Sebenza cut that a Buck 110 cannot cut?

If you look upon knives as cutting tools, as opposed to "status symbols", as long as they are well-built, what other criteria is there to determine the quality of a knife than cutting ability?


Blade steel- See question above. Sure, S30V will hold an edge longer (I have knives made of S30V), but I've never had any difficulty sharpening a knife, perhaps others have difficulty and makes this an issue for them. Lots of people have skinned and butchered entire deer and other large game using a 110 without difficulty. And the blade of my 110 has never rusted, despite being coated with blood and fish guts for long periods of time and being soaked in water.

Blade tip strength- I don't know what other people are doing with their knives, I cut stuff with mine, I don't use them as screwdrivers or prybars.

Knife weight- I'd suggest going to the gym and working out if the weight of a 110 is too heavy for anyone to handle or carry. A 110 weighs 7.2 ounces, a Seb weighs 4.7 ounces. That's a whopping difference of 2.5 ounces.

Grip- I've used my 110 with bloody hands, sweaty hands, and greasy hands, never had any complaints about the grip. I do like the fullness of the grip in my hand, so maybe that's why I never had a problem holding onto it.

Pocket clip- Not everyone likes them, and more than a few people have lost knives when the clips got snagged on things. So how does a clip make one knife better than another.

Jimping- I hate blade jimping and I've ground it off several of my knives. I've never had a problem using a knife without jimping.

One handed opening/closing- Not every knife needs to be opened in the blink of an eye in order to be useful. Somehow mankind survived for a very long time using two-handed folders, and we are still surviving. There's an entire sub-forum here at Bladeforums devoted to such knives.

Brass- I happen to think that the 110 is a beautiful knife, even when it's tarnished. Of course, I'm not into the whole "tactical" thing, and I don't need my knives to be "pretty". A lot of people on this forum intentionally add a patina to their knives. Tarnished brass has never affected the cutting ability of my 110. And I've certainly never judged the quality of a knife based on how it smells. Heck, I'm 43 years old and that's the first time I've heard such a thing. Even after thirty years of use I still don't know what my 110 smells like.

Disassembly- I've never felt the need to take apart my 110. A good rinse and maybe a few squirts of WD40, and it's good to go. I also don't feel the need to take apart my knives that can be taken apart. And yet they still function just fine.

Waranty- I once broke the blade on a Buck 112 when I was a kid (my own dumb fault), Buck replaced the blade and polished the knife for free.

As far as the whole "status symbol" thing, perhaps that answers my question as to why some people feel the need to say that their knife is BETTER than other knives. Personally, I don't look upon my knives as "status symbols", not even the ones that cost hundreds of dollars. I don't buy knive for "bragging rights" or to boost my ego. And no matter how much money I've spent on a knife, I never felt compelled to say that my knife is BETTER than anyone else's knife. But that's just me.

 

[Ankerson]

It's always interesting to me (and humorous) that some people aren't content just to say "My knife is a great knife and I love it". No, for some reason they need to say "My knife is BETTER than your knife".

People just like to brag about their new toys.

Better is a subjective term in the end...

 

[killgar]

People just like to brag about their new toys.

Better is a subjective term in the end...

I agree. And I see nothing wrong with bragging or talking about how great ones knife is. I just never liked it when people suggest that "Mine is BETTER than yours". Perhaps it's the result of growing up poor. Using the word "better" borders on snobbery. If not being outright snobbery.

But in the end it's just a lot of knife-talk on the internet. And like I always say, there's nothing being discussed on this forum that's worth getting upset about.

 

[jill jackson]

If you are happy with whatever knife you have and feel no need to look further then good on you. My opinion. I've owned a few 110's and zero now. I didn't like the way the last one I bought developed blade-play very easily, in fact easier than any locking knife I've ever owned. The others I had I don't remember if they did the same or not, it was before I had really got into knives, so I probably didn't notice. Of course you can peen the little pivot pin back up tight in the brass bolsters, but the play would come right back, so no more 110's for me.

 

[SpookStrickland]

Please don't discuss knockoffs, the theft of someone else's design is a lousy thing to support.

Knock off's don't really bother me, I think they end up being advertisement for the real thing. Just like how the Fender Stratocaster is the most copied guitar in the world but people who play the copies generally end up getting a real one eventually. I know, it happened to me. And after handling a knock of Seb for a couple months I might decided to go buy the real thing but I do know that I would not buy one with out handling some one else's or a knock off for a while to get the feel of it.

 

[Ken44]

As for myself, my Sebenza's(or other expensive knives) are not status symbols. Nor did I buy them just to SAY I had the better knife.

 

[pvicenzi]

How can a Sebenza be a status symbol when most people don't have a clue what a Sebenza is? Even many knife fans are not familliar with Sebenzas..

 

[dragonram7]

Ive owned both. I consider the 110 as a beginer knife. It was one of my first knives. I like both knives. If I lost a 110, id be upset but id buy another. If I lost my sebenza, id form a search party, post a reward, etc. Same design but I like the puma prince better.
Monetary considerations, the 110 has outsold the sabenza.
Judgement: when I see a guy with a 110, I think "smart guy". I see the Sabenza, I think knife addict.
Id carry my sabenza on duty but not the 110.