Sebenza vs Hinderer? (Old Thread)

Hinderer XM18 or Sebenza 21 Large


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I own XM18 3.5s (2 regular and 1 "Fatty") and a CRK Umnumzaan and a Lg Inkosi. I like them all. IMO, both companies make a solid product. The Fatty gets the most pocket time though. (For those who have convinced themselves that PB washers are magical and"better" than teflon, you can buy PBs for your Hinderer for about 2 dollars)
Exactly.
The differences in manufacturing costs of the pb vs teflon washers are so negligible that it's a simple conclusion to draw that it's what each of the two manufacturers in question here personally prefer to use in their knives.
It's not some conspiracy to screw over the consumer saving a buck or three per knife.
I've installed both pb and nylatron washers in an XM and found the differences to be rather inconclusive.
I'll stick with the teflon.
 
Of course, opinions may vary...but physical facts such as weight and dimensions do not.
Very true...but, as opinions vary, how people feel about those physical facts will differ. Honestly, the weight difference is a non issue for me. Neither of them are heavy enough for me to take notice (I carried a ZT0200 exclusively for 2 years, and now a copper scaled 0550 is usually in my pocket).
In my limited experience, my large insingo cuts better than my spearpoint XM18 - not surprising, considering the CRK's thinner blade and hollow grind ... but the Hinderer feels much better in MY hand due to the handle shape and thickness. So which do I use? The comfort of the XM18 won it more pocket time...but, truth be told, I don't think I have touched either one in over a year.
 
It's said they were designed for first responders. I would LOVE to know how many first responders actually carry one.
I know a bunch, and have yet to see one of them carry a Hinderer. Or any high end knife.
Just curious.
Joe

There certainly are some. Hinderer for 1(volunteer fireman). Some used to participate on his forums and did tell some tales of their use. Some even carried customs. Back when they were very hard to obtain, 1st responders could order direct and at bench price. The rest of us had to be extremely lucky to get one from a dealer(sold out immediately and I never got one) or pay high secondary prices( I did). I would guess a greater % of his knives were in 1st responders hands then then now. Not number of knives but % of knives out there-they have expanded greatly over the last 10 years. I do think that 1st responders who own one are also knife fanciers in general. I wouldn't expect 4 out of 5 1st responders to own one or any high priced knife. Most of the general population doesn't buy high end either. That craziness is reserved for knife forum members.
As far as I know the only tool it was intended to replace was a less knife.
 
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My 2-cents

A large Sebenza with carbon-fiber scale is a real pleasure to carry. The CF model is sold through KnifeArt and really makes a noticeable difference in your pocket.

Having said that, I never really bonded with the Sebenzas I've owned. But the Umnumzaan and Wilson Comabt StarTac (same knife with some differences in dressing) really did it for me. Loved the action, feel, and blade shape.

My point is: if you're going to buy a CRK folder, do yourself a favor and try them out in-hand before you buy. They all look "the same" but there are many little details that add up to significant difference in feel.
 
For some people the CRKs just click and some they don't. I find many times people who have been into alot of the modern folders like the ZT flippers that are out there to the Hogue knives or Spydercos and Benchmades are a little surprised when they get their CRK and they don't fly open at the push of the thumbstud. For many people that has become their litmus test of what is a high quality knife. One where it is designed to have the blade fly open once it breaks past the detent.

I was in the local knife store the other day with my Inkosi in pocket and a customer there wanted to see it. Normally I wouldn't let some random touch my blade but as he had just finished purchasing a new Dragonscale WE knife and I had seen him before I decided to let him see it. He was shocked and asked what was wrong with it due to it not flying out in the previously mentioned way. The owner of the store told him that is the way CRKs are designed to come. It took abit of time for this guy to wrap his head around that. Why would he want to spend that much on a knife and it doesn't flip better than his new WE?

This means CRK's action is largely an aquired taste. I used to feel the same way when I got my first Sebenza, a small 21. Now that the knife has been broken in if I want to I can flick it in a way that it flies open. The thing is now that I appreciate the pivot for what it is I don't WANT TO flick it open in that way.
 
It is perhaps time to give another try of Sebenza by me. One thing of it that is less optimal is the ergo. There is a hot spot at the butt of the handle that makes my palm uncomfortable. I am surprised that nobody seems to feel it the way as I do.
 
It is perhaps time to give another try of Sebenza by me. One thing of it that is less optimal is the ergo. There is a hot spot at the butt of the handle that makes my palm uncomfortable. I am surprised that nobody seems to feel it the way as I do.

If it was a plane Jane ti scaled, maybe try a micarta inlay this time
Just a thought
 
My 2-cents

A large Sebenza with carbon-fiber scale is a real pleasure to carry. The CF model is sold through KnifeArt and really makes a noticeable difference in your pocket.

Having said that, I never really bonded with the Sebenzas I've owned. But the Umnumzaan and Wilson Comabt StarTac (same knife with some differences in dressing) really did it for me. Loved the action, feel, and blade shape.

My point is: if you're going to buy a CRK folder, do yourself a favor and try them out in-hand before you buy. They all look "the same" but there are many little details that add up to significant difference in feel.
I plan to do just that here in the next week or so. I can't tell you how many local knife shops I called around my area and when I asked if they sold CRKs I heard a longggg pause and shortly after "uhh..what?.." its sad that these local "knife buyers" for all these companies haven't even heard of Reeves? I feel like any shop I go into I know more about the product than they do..

Does anyone else share this experience ? Lol
 
I'm another one of those that for some reason, Reeves knives, at least the Sebenza, just didn't click. Just sold a 3 month old small Sebenza 21. For folders I much prefer my Spydercos, (& not for the "flick"). You might love the Sebenza, for me it was "meh". Lately have become really enamored with the gorgeous fixed blades from Andy Roy at Fiddleback Forge.
 
Some previous posts mentioned that Hinderers are commonly purchased/used/designed by and for first responders. Certainly, the XM-18's that I did own are heavy-duty capable, and perhaps would be of benefit to firemen or EMT's. I have one career cop son-in-law who prefers cheaper folders such as Columbia River MT16 and Spyderco Endura. I have heard cops say that they don't want a real expensive knife that may get lost at an accident scene, or perhaps stolen while on the job.
In addition, due to the probability of getting drug residue or blood remnants on the knife, some wouldn't feel comfortable bringing that knife back into their homes at night. I do understand that remark. I do know a lot of cops, and they are often found with cheaper "throw-away" type folders...perhaps with good reason.
Military folks, while deployed, seem to prefer knives in the SAK multi-funtion design. Troops carry so much weight already that they are reluctant to carry much in the way of a heavy fixed blade design. I have heard comments that "I already have my rifle" and "you won't need a knife for hand-to-hand combat," although certainly that is subject to Murphy's Law.
 
Having both, it is a tough choice which to carry on a given day. It is worth mentioning that, IMO, Hinderers are pretty comparable to a few other manufacturers in looks and function (but not really when you REALLY get down to understanding folding knives -which few really do-) while there is noting that looks, feels, or manipulates like a CRK. Every person has their issues... er... I mean.. reasons for making choices and if I had to be honest with myself, I would choose CRK because they are sexier. Plus CRKs are, and will always be, the yardstick to which all folding knives are compared to.

So, archieblue archieblue please let me now what I "really" do not understand?
 
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I have a 21 Large Sebenza and a XM18 3.5" Spanto. Bought both as I couldn't decide which I like most. Before that I was edcing a SmF. Honestly, to me all three have their merits. They are designed to be used as tools and to provide service for many years. I find myself edcing more the CRK than the others. Main points are easier maintenance, slim/light profile so easier to edc, lock bar relief is on the inside rather than outside compared to hinderers/striders, fits my hands better and best pivot system with straightforward installation. My vote is on the Sebenza.
 
^^With Hinderer it's je ne sais quoi really. A handful of teensy weensy details. With CRK they are more noticeable like the amount of blade tang they sandwich between the handle scales and the importance of that surface area, the tight fit of the pocket clip in its depression, & the jewel like detail of the jimping... I could go on.
 
I plan to do just that here in the next week or so. I can't tell you how many local knife shops I called around my area and when I asked if they sold CRKs I heard a longggg pause and shortly after "uhh..what?.." its sad that these local "knife buyers" for all these companies haven't even heard of Reeves? I feel like any shop I go into I know more about the product than they do..

Does anyone else share this experience ? Lol
We recently got a knife shop in my city, and for the most part the employees are pretty well informed, and you can tell that they are into knives. But on two different occasions, two different employees referred to thier CR knives as "handmade".

I didn't correct them, I was going to tell them that they're hand fitted, but I didn't want to come across as a knife snob.

Plus now someone can take home a "handmade" Chris Reeve when they buy one from there.
 
Some previous posts mentioned that Hinderers are commonly purchased/used/designed by and for first responders. Certainly, the XM-18's that I did own are heavy-duty capable, and perhaps would be of benefit to firemen or EMT's. I have one career cop son-in-law who prefers cheaper folders such as Columbia River MT16 and Spyderco Endura. I have heard cops say that they don't want a real expensive knife that may get lost at an accident scene, or perhaps stolen while on the job.
In addition, due to the probability of getting drug residue or blood remnants on the knife, some wouldn't feel comfortable bringing that knife back into their homes at night. I do understand that remark. I do know a lot of cops, and they are often found with cheaper "throw-away" type folders...perhaps with good reason.
Military folks, while deployed, seem to prefer knives in the SAK multi-funtion design. Troops carry so much weight already that they are reluctant to carry much in the way of a heavy fixed blade design. I have heard comments that "I already have my rifle" and "you won't need a knife for hand-to-hand combat," although certainly that is subject to Murphy's Law.
You make valid points, I like it. Odd how these "first responders"/cops whatever you want to deem them we are all speaking of probably would benefit the most from our "luxury" top notch super quality knives but yet they choose to use little beaters? Just doesn't quite make sense to me? Meanwhile 80% of these members that own all these knives the hardest thing their steels sees in masking tape lol.
 
We recently got a knife shop in my city, and for the most part the employees are pretty well informed, and you can tell that they are into knives. But on two different occasions, two different employees referred to thier CR knives as "handmade".

I didn't correct them, I was going to tell them that they're hand fitted, but I didn't want to come across as a knife snob.

Plus now someone can take home a "handmade" Chris Reeve when they buy one from there.
lol you're a good man, with the patience of a saint. I don't think I could have held me tongue in that situation.
 
Owned, used, dismantled and maintained both. I'd take a Sebenza 21 any day of the week. It's just a better knife if you actually cut things, plus it's tolerances are better, it's got 1 single tool to dismantle the entire knife and hey IT"S INCLUDED WITH YOUR PURCHASE. Hinderer need to stop money grabbing and include the tool for their "custom" pivot. The whole hard use thing is so moot, the Sebenza is stupidly strong, the Hinderer just has a fatter tip, in fact i'd argue the Sebenza lock bar is better, way more tension and look at the thinnest point on the Hinderer lock bar, it's still skinny regardless of how fat the scales are. FYI unless you re-profile your Hinderer to at least 18 degrees per side it will cut like a fat axe head...have a go at cutting an apple or slicing something, it's laughable. Just way too much metal behind the cutting edge. Just my honest opinion after using both for some time.
 
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